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Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Villager — Sun, 18 May 2008 12:07:00 -0000

I would have preferred Edwards' endorsement before Ohio, Pennsylvania or his home state of North Carolina. However, as it turns out he & Obama were brilliant to come out with it the day after the West Virginia results.

Now, the proof of Edwards' moxie comes if he can round up some endorsements (like he did with the Steelworkers' Union) and uncommitted superdelegates...

peace, Villager

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Anonymous — Thu, 15 May 2008 11:20:00 -0000

Speak it, BPM!!!! You have written the two most insightful comments ever posted on Jack and Jill. Independent thinkers aren't valued in the country in general and in the Democratic party in particular.

Won't you join me in switching to Independent??

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ronnie B — Thu, 15 May 2008 08:46:00 -0000

Yeah, Edwards' endorsement is late. But if he really wants a cabinet post, he'd better get to work. His job for now is to get out and make nice with some of the Black-fearing white men and women in the South and in Appalachia.

As a political matter, I'm a little peeved that his "endorsement" is premised wholly on which way the political winds began to blow. And, just as Barack said in their first debate, Edwards is often too late in showing leadership. He's a fine lawyer, a decent politician with a good rap, but he's not cut from the leadership mold. That said, I welcome his support.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

bmp — Thu, 15 May 2008 07:59:00 -0000

Oh and Edwards most notorious opinion of Obama was when he told Halperin that Barack is a "pussy". Yeah, it was a ringing endorsement and I believe he voted for the pussy whom he can't find anything substantively good to say about. It was clear on Barack's face during the "endorsement" that he realized how it really wasn't one. I watched Obama on that stool and felt sorry for him but he has the benefit of most Americans not being smart enough to actually get what happend, so they will accept the spin, which works to Barack's benefit. Yeah, I'd say those who ever drunk and continue to drink any of Edwards' piss-infused kool-aid have bigger problems than a healthy dose of cynicism could help.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

bpm — Thu, 15 May 2008 07:52:00 -0000

Pamela, you are correct that Edwards is originally from South Carolina.

I am not cynical. I am simply an independent thinker who has watched Edwards closely for 10 years. I also don't believe in just parroting what the talking heads and blogosphere tell me is important, not important, or that it is perfect timing because they say it is. Anyone who knows anything about Edwards, knows that had he not gotten 7 percent of the vote in WV, he would have sat at home on his estate until June. It is only because the pundits made a big deal out of that lowly 7% and inflated his importance again that he came out.

I also don't believe Edwards actually voted for Obama. He is a liar who stayed out because he really wanted Hillary to win but since Obama has he jumped on board. Even on his media tour over the last week before the WV primaries he was basically praising Clinton and would only acknowledge Barack in insulting ways like Hillary is a fighter with a lot of experience who gets back up every time she gets knocked down would make a great president...she knows policy and how to get things done...and Barack he just came out of "NOWHERE, literally" and now he has taken it all. I listened to his WORDS show after show and wondered how these idiots could spin that as he is all for Obama. I was thinking over and over again, are you actually listening to his words or are you just STUPID.

Edwards is the worst kind of politician who to this day has less respect than Hillary from his colleagues on the Hill precisely because he is a liar who will do and say anything and could not be trusted; to this day after all Hillary has done and this speaks volumes about the kind of person Edwards is but then millions in NC figured him out long ago and he would never have been re-elected to the senate anyway nor would his endorsement had meant anything before their primary. He was doing a get out the vote media tour for Hillary before WV and when she didn't get the 80% she needed to change the game, he jumped aboard under the cover that ALL those who ignore what he actually says and does to spin him in the best possible (and unrealistic) light. He got HIMSELF a positive news cycle but if it helps Obama, then again thanks anyway. I don't give credit to the lowest of low-life pols whose so called endorsement is only one of himself and the opponent that says nothing more than I am supporting him because he won and I need in the spotlight again.

I think AAs are not cynical enough which is exactly why, as a people, don't have shit and won't ever get shit. The inability to be critical thinkers and strategic doers is exactly why the DNC and its pols can take those votes for granted and haven't ended this even though we all knew the math since the first of March.

I suggest we actually watch and listen to what is said and done and stop believing the blog and TV hype but when you do actually starting critically thinking be forewarned that you might get accused of cynicism. Most people don't embrace free thinkers especially when facts threaten to get in the way of a good spin or the desired narrative.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Thu, 15 May 2008 00:42:00 -0000

Craig Hickman

I've noticed the command in his voice now that he is campaigning against McCain.

This will be a whole different ballgame.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Thu, 15 May 2008 00:08:00 -0000

Edwards is from North Carolina.

I'm watching Obama's speech after the endorsement on C-Span right now.

I've never seen him this forceful in his delivery.

He's feeling something.

I got an email of the flyers. I like them too. I don't want to like them but I do. I say that because I believe in the Separation of Church and State. But the way he's been smeared and smeared and smeared, they are necessary.

Turning lemons into lemonade.

That was something else. Michigan will vote for Obama. I've no doubt.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

babyming — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:30:00 -0000

I don't know much about John Edwards, but one possible explanation of his endorsement today is that he became disgusted with Hillary Clinton in recent weeks, as he watched her hateful racist tactics. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few of the superdelegates are thinking exactly the same thing.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:19:00 -0000

I love that flyer.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Pamela — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:19:00 -0000

Craig, isn't he from South Carolina? Either way I agree with you.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

rikyrah — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:12:00 -0000

craig hickman,

I saw the entire brochure over at a conservative's site, along with this conservative's story of how it went when he went to one of Obama's Kentucky offices. This guy could see it, plain as day - Obama's going for the evangelicals. (which sorta links back to my post from a couple of days ago, doesn't it?)

I linked off of HuffingtonPost.com, is that where you saw it too, craig?

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:53:00 -0000

One last word about Edwards:

He voted for Obama in the North Carolina primary.

He won't be Obama's runningmate (I hope not!), but he's not an enemy.

I hope this freezes whatever momentum Hillary thought she could exploit from last night.

One of her campaign spokespeople said "It's not great news."

Finally, a bit of truth.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:41:00 -0000

Obama is campaigning in Kentucky with a flyer that makes him look like a Chirstian missionary.

Woah.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Tommy Brown — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:23:00 -0000

2 other strategic points:
1. besides stealing the press from wva, he announced in michigan - a state he needs to win in... great strategic move.

2. I never thought I'd say this, but the Obama/Edwards ticket looked good tonight and it puts a new twist on the vp conversation

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Wed, 14 May 2008 22:01:00 -0000

If we think about it, Obama's candidacy hurt Edwards' even more than Hillary's.

He might have harbored more resentment than Hillary.

But Edwards wants a national platform. This is how he gets one.

He's practically a persona non grata in North Carolina politics, so if he wants to end poverty, he'll need to do it from the Hill.

He licked his wounds, re-entered the national scene with his television appearances a few weeks back, and endorsed Obama today to end this madness.

I understand the criticism. But credit where credit is due.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:14:00 -0000

Craig you know we love ya and respect your opinion.

I am cynical, I'm sick of this bs. It's been long and hard and I'm mad about it.

This really is the Dems closing ranks on Hill, but it's taking toooooo long.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

texas girl in l.a. — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:11:00 -0000

rikyrah,

Here's......Pat Buchanan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVeFyV0iLrk&eurl;

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:10:00 -0000

I don't think Edwards is alla that, so in some sense I agree with bpm and his other detractors here.

But I did not hear the speech as a Clinton endorsement. He simply wanted to give her her props so as not to appear that the boys were kicking the girl to the curb.

We can get cynical as all hell around here.

Edwards is a symbol. A true empty suit. But people like him, and like it or not, he has a national following.

This needs to come to an end. Bill Clinton is off in Montana smearing Obama and making it appear as though he's bullying Clinton. He's lost his damn mind.

The Democratic "leaders" have got to see what's happening and are finally moving to end this madness.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:59:00 -0000

BSerious

You haven't heard? The number has been changed to 2210 - a number unattainable (w/o FL or MI) - that will give Hillary pause to take this all the way to the convention.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Craig Hickman — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:58:00 -0000

if it means anything,

Moments after John Edwards broke, another Super, WI State Senator Lena Taylor endorsed Barack.

::

I went to high school with her. She was in my Latin class.

Terrific woman.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

B-Serious — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:52:00 -0000

@ craig,

I remember your prediction. Good call!

Now what about Gore????

I'm thinking he might get the "magic number endorsement". . . meaning he'll be number 2025 for poetic purposes.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

B-Serious — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:48:00 -0000

It's time for them to ban together and run that she devil not only out of the race, but clear out of the democratic party.

@ ms martin,

That's why I like the endorsement. It gets Obama one step closer to the nomination and Clinton one step closer to the exit. It closes the ranks and gives voice to the "let's move on" part of of the Democratic party.

Obama can't let Hillary's bruised ego dictate the pace and direction of this race. The sooner this ends, the better. Obama has to rip that bandaid off right now. He can't try to peel it off. The Clintons and her supporters are not going to play nice.

They will whine and complain. I already saw one try to play the gender card tonight (i.e., the boys ganging up on Hillary meme).

As for the endorsement, I was talking to my sister and she was not impressed with Edwards' performance. She almost threw a shoe at the tv when he started to praise Clinton for her "strength."

Personally, I'll judge Edwards' endorsement by how hard he campaigns for Obama. If he works his butt off then I'm cool.

I was an "Obama/Edwards '08" kind of guy when this whole process started. I'd still be open to the idea -- but it's hard to see whether Edwards can deliver a state or demographic.

But, I gotta admit, the mere aesthetics of an Obama/Edwards ticket are appealing. But I've got my eyes on a few other possibilities right now:

Obama/Richardson

Obama/Webb

Obama/Sebelius

Obama/Clark (Clinton olive branch)

Obama/Baye (Clinton olive branch)

There are a lot of possibilities. It's gonna be an interesting month.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

TruthSeeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:43:00 -0000

I'm not feeling Edwards either. I think he's self-serving. And, that speech seemed slightly dismissive of Barack....It's almost as if they want to co-opt Barack's success and popularity for the Democratic party leadership.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:27:00 -0000

And did I say this is f****ing RIDICULOUS.

If Obama were in Hillary's place he would be laughed off the stage and out of the scene.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Ms.Martin — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:24:00 -0000

Craig I agree with Jack, so what, except that it changes the conversation. He hid like a coward until it was safe

I also agree with whoever said he constantly compliments Hillary while suggesting he going with Obama because he is the obvious nominee.

It's time for them to ban together and run that she devil not only out of the race, but clear out of the democratic party.