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My goodness. Mr. Bond, if you really feel this passionate about it, you should have addressed this months ago. You should have raised this before they voted. You should have raised this before the primary season started.
Disenfranchisement? You count those two states and you risk disenfranchising the 48 other states who played by the rules.
If she gets a do-over in MI and FL then Obama should get a do-over in NH, MA and CA!
As a matter of fact, just let all of the candidates come back for do-overs - bring edwards, giuliani, romney, richardson, dodd . . . Bring them all back!
Sidenote - I heard that Obama might still hold the delegate lead even if they counted MI and FL now.
Message to the Clinton campaign: STOP MOVING THE GOAL POSTS!
Too bad the HRC camp can't see that there is no way in the world she can win in November, after all these beat downs, and, her lame, bitter, pathetic attempts to try to put a positive spin on it just proves, she isn't a viable national candidate, even for dog catcher.
I have to wonder, though....if Clinton was ahead in the delegate count, and these two states had gone to Obama....would you all be THIS enthusiastic about not having them counted?
I'm going to have to ' keep it real' with you.
Have no idea what ethnicity you are..
But, a Black person knows that this situation would NEVER happen.
We just don't get to break the rules like that. Are we forced to follow rule changes that happen in the middle of the game?
Yep.
But, what you're talking about just wouldn't happen with a Black person.
I'm just not really sure how much of this outrage would exist if people weren't looking at it as a racist incident/someone "selling their soul"/etc. Anything that doesn't seem to benefit candidate of choice almost immediately has a tinge of something on it besides what it actually is: just political gamesmanship.
The fair solution, if someone wants to contest it, is to do so in convention. Let everyone decide.
The fair thing to do is have another vote in those two states and get this settled BEFORE the convention because "everyone won't decide" if its done AT the convention, back room deals will decide.
I get it. There's always a bit of political posturing. But come on. This has the potential to rip the Party apart.
On second thought, don't you support McCain? If so, I could see how you might be enjoying this. lol!
If there's any creed that conservatives probably agree with, it's the idea that your word is your bond. She's going against her word.
Change the rules? Ok. Then why have agreements in the first place? Why have rules in the first place?
I might be wrong, but this was never open to interpretation. The candidates and the DNC all agreed - the delegates were not going to count. I assume each candidate campaigned accordingly.
I repeat, if it was so important, where were the protests a few months ago?
Obama's not the one who's trying to change the rules here. Hillary is. Obama played by the rules. Everyone else went by the rules. Now she wants to change the rules just because she won.
Why even have these primaries at all? Or better yet, as I said before, why not give everyone a do-over in the hopes that they net more delegates. I'm sure every candidate can make one argument or another to revisit a state election.
I'm willing to bet that there are thousands of Edwards and Kucinich supporters who were disenfranchised because they voted early in California, only to have their candidate drop out before Super Tuesday. Should they get to vote again? In fact, I'm willing to bet that Hillary got a good amount of delegates due to early voting. Maybe we can have a do-over in those states as well?
I've got a bio 101 grade that I'd like to do over from my first year of undergrad. Maybe Hillary can give me a few pointers. lol!
Is it a fake? You make some good points.
If it is fake, I hope Bond comes out to clear things up. It's been a few days already.
Either way, we do know that Clinton wants them seated. She's playing with fire. If they are seated, it could tear the Democratic Party apart. We'll be saying hello to President McCain.
This may be a bit petty, but I have to say, that as an African-American professional, I'm almost more offended by the fact that there are something like five misspellings in one freaking sentence… "obsticles" … "findng" … "delima"..."Michagan"..."aspertions"...?!! Really, Mr. Bond what in the world were you thinking? What in the name of all that is holy is up with that mess?
Please, God let this be a hoax! It would be unbearable to see the great civil rights organization have that sad misspelled letter be its epitaph.
Peace,
Marsha M. Johnson
Brooklyn, NY
So I picked up my phone and started calling members of the board and staff to try and understand what in the world was going on. Now to be clear, I am not speaking on behalf of Chairman Bond or anyone else, but I will share with you what I was told.
The position Bond espoused was not that the delegations should be seated in accordance with the results of the 'primaries'. But rather the people of Michigan and Florida should be given some opportunity to vote and indicate their choice, whether that be through a new primary or caucus or some other means. Bond did not talk about what methods would be used, but from what I have heard, his intent was to push the DNC chair to take some kind of action to resolve this prior to the convention.
Since they had been stripped by the DNC, technically no election took place in either State. Bond's push was that some mechanism be selected for determining the will of the residents of MI and FL.
Kevin Myles
President; Wichita Branch NAACP
Political Action Chair; Kansas State NAACP
www.wichitanaacp.blogspot.com
"Guys, I think this letter is a hoax, and I do not believe that it came from Julian Bond."
I don't know if this particular letter is a hoax, but Al Sharpton and the Associated Press are going with the story that Bond wrote "a" letter to Howard Dean. See the link below:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBJoIRU0gvxVNHPg5taMC5AaxnKQD8UPGUN00
Regardless, for everyone discussing allowing them to hold future contests, what is the basis? The DNC didn't strip them of their delagates because they wantes to disenfranchise them. The states made a decision. I personally feel they should have to live with that. Those 4 states were chosen for a reason to be first. Finally, its actually not fair to the the other candidates (not just Barack or Hillary). The timing of theses primaries and caucuses is factored into campaign strategy. To change it this late in the race is unfair and wrong.
If Obama prevails in TX and OH, then this can all be ended. As Mary J would say, "No more drama."
As a part of this J&J; community, I want to especially thank Jack and DNA for your spectacular work in the Potomac Primaries...you all have put *O* over-the-top!
Fair enough BUT the question still remains: Why didn't Bond speak up months ago?
Obama did NOT campaign in either Michigan or Florida because he was following the rules that he, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards all agreed to at the start-- which of course, Hillary later broke when she did campaign in Florida. Obama wasn't even on the Michigan ballot!
Like people are saying, this would be changing the rules of the game after the second half and even worse, trying to *retroactively* add bullshit points from the first half on that basis.
Are the KKKlintons consciously trying to destroy the Democratic Party and the country in the process? Is there any reprehensible tactic they haven't tried yet? Let's see-- they blocked GOTV efforts in New Hampshire, they sued to close down Nevada caucus sites while giving false directions and prematurely closing pro-Obama sites in Las Vegas, they tried to tamper with voting machines and vote-tallying operations in South Carolina and Louisiana (and apparently got busted trying to do the same BS in Texas and Ohio), they went into overdrive to stop college students from voting in Iowa, they plant softball questioners in the audience, they race-baited Obama relentlessly before and after South Carolina and then accused the Obama campaign of playing the race card.
What's next? The Clintons trying to pull a Tonya Harding and whacking Obama's knees? Hiring an assassination squad? Is there any level to which they wouldn't stoop in their own obsession for power?
Much as I love the USA, this is why I think we're soon headed for a fall, much worse than what befell ancient Rome all those centuries ago-- our democratic system does attract top talent like Obama, but it also attracts pathological narcissists like the Clintons who are willing to divide and destroy the nation if they think it would help them gain power. They've already done so much damage as it is, it's difficult to comprehend how they could do more, but they're sure trying to build further on that foundation!
I'm sure that many, hopefully most of you all are well aware of this already. But many people apparently do not know this.
I also saw a post on huffington post (by some guy named Mark Green) who combined Florida/Michigan with the superdelegate issue. These are two ENTIRELY separate issues, and should NEVER be "lumped together" like "these are the rules, you've gotta play by the rules".
http://tinyurl.com/39q42v
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We have to go all out in Texas and Ohio in particular. This has to be a nonstop push to get out the vote and convince people why we need Obama to lead today.
Isn't it interesting that what may be two of the most critical primaries are going to be occuring in handkerchief-heads Sheila Jackson Lee and Stephanie Tubbs Jones's home states...TX and OH respectively?
I'll take that as a good sign, b/c John Lewis is from GA and we brought GA home to OBAMA. To folks on this blog from TX and OH: Bring it home for US ALL!
BTW, great article on the Next First Lady of the United States.
And why is this dude on the Huffington Post stealing my material on the Next Vice-President of the United States???
Look back through my comments, I've been talking up Webb since December...damn, I even took it as my username on here.
babyming,
it's called confusing the issues. trying to get them entangled. Green is an official Clinton shill.
barackobama.com
But I couldn't fathom why it wouldn't make her nauseous to make that argument. I mean, if that comes to pass, why does she want to stick around when she's not wanted? Then, I figured out that she really thinks she knows better than us stupid voters. She thinks the voters are rubes. That's why she'll lie to their faces to get their votes. In her mind, that's the only way she can win and she believes she's doing them a service.
What an arrogant and craven fool. Reminds me of that idiot Lieberman running as an independent after he lost the primary. And look at that turd now, campaigning for McCain. He'll probably blast democrats at the repulican convention - maybe he'll challenge Chris Matthews to a duel, too.
Bond can try and spin this as a civil rights issue all he wants. The question still remains...WHY NOW?!?!
He should have said this months ago.
The "pledge" is besides the point. The delegates are not supposed to count. End of story.
I'm sorry, but Bond's explaination sounds like it came straight out of Clinton's talking points memo.
And to top it off, he makes it seem like Obama wasn't for black people . . . like he sided with white Iowa/NH and threw black MI/FL under the bus.
This don't feel right, people. You watch. This is gonna get really ugly. From the CBC to Bond to Tavis Smiley, it'll be a civil war amongst the black leadership before Obama takes his oath of office.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/14/us/politics/14delegates.html?hp
They're already conceding they can't win through democratic means, and are laying the groundwork for diabolical plans to steal this. Look what they've got us doing: talking and worrying about freaking Julian Bond! Thank god for Obama--I think he is just too damn smart for them. Run up the score, bigtime, with record turnouts everywhere.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/02/clinton_counts.html
What a bunch of disgusting power grubbing assholes. They care so much about the voters, they'll ignore them.
Is this the "Talented 10th" vs. "The Happily Segregated?"
b.serious, you're so right...How the CBC, Julian Bond and Tavis Smiley could align themselves so closely with the Clintons despite the resounding aftermath of their actions...
There's an article in the NYTimes about Michelle Obama...There's an excerpt that caused me to shed tears:
“My parents told us time and time again, ‘Don’t tell us what you can’t do,’ ” she said. “ ‘And don’t worry about what can go wrong.’ ”
She talks on the campaign trail about high school advisers who tried to dissuade her from applying to Princeton because they thought her scores were not good enough. (She graduated with honors in sociology in 1985.)
She talks about college counselors who said similar things about her desire to go to Harvard Law, from which she graduated and went on to one of the top corporate firms in Chicago.
“I realized that gnawing sense of self doubt that lies within all of us is within our own heads,” she said in Atlanta. “The truth is we are more ready and more prepared than we even know. My own life is proof of that.”
I wish that I could convey the true impact of her statement ON ME...maybe I'm the only one here who can relate to it...I don't think so...I think there are many of us who can relate to it.