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The thing they don't understand is that a Democratic primary is not a general election. A southern strategy has less of a chance of working here. It is really pathetic and shameful what they're pulling. I hope Obama wins. It's clear that he's the better of the two candidates...
the clintons will say and do anything to win this election. i'm not unconvinced that they are in cohoots with the bush family to ensure that hillary goes to the white house (have you noticed that W has not come out in support of ANY of the republican candidates?!?). bust stole 2 elections, what's to stop his crowd from stealing a third?
It's really starting to seem like all we have to talk about with Obama is whoever is "attacking" him. Has he been reduced to just a dartboard-or will there EVER be a serious discussion (without any "racist!!!" flags being thrown) on whether this guy can be an effective president?
I'm certain Bush will support whatever candidate gets the Republican nomination. He probably hasn't yet, because it might do more harm than good at this stage.
There are enough POLICY differences with Steele and JC Watts, that race never has to come up. Before Colin Powell sold us this sham of a war, he got, as they say, ' mad love', from the Black community.
A Black conservative blogger - Cobb, came up with a great line about 'love' and 'respect' from the Black community, and I agreed with him.
Though we don't like the policies that she has helped bring forth, most Black folk that I've encountered, have deep ' respect' for Condi Rice. Not much 'love', but 'respect', because, as Black folk, we know what it took for her to get where she is.
Colin Powell was different, though. Not only did we have deep ' respect' for him, we had mad 'love' for him. And, yeah, I was pissed when the GOP pulled a Southern Strategy on him.
FYI, Uncle Clarence's problem is that Black folk neither love nor respect him. He thought he had forced us to respect him, and we just put up the hand, dismissed him, said ' Negro Please', and went on our ways.
It's really starting to seem like all we have to talk about with Obama is whoever is "attacking" him.
Do you look at our archives? Do you read our posts? We've had plenty of discussions about Obama that had to do with policy differences. We're talking about attacks, because he's being attacked, BUT NOT on policy difference, but through racist subtrefuge. Stop acting like this entire campaign we've been talking about this. We know it when we see it, and we've been pointing it out.
The attacks are hardly in our ' imagination'. Chris Matthews did an entire segment on this, pointing this out...and he's hardly the most 'sensitive' person in the world. It's been disgusting that he, and Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough, have actually spoken about this issue...they recognize the coordinated attacks, and Carlson, who never sees race, points it out, only to have those other White commentators stay like mutes.
I'm not saying the attacks are in your imagination (though I don't think they're as serious as they're made out to be). And I've read the posts. What I'm saying is that just about ANY discussion that I've heard/seen on Obama of late has been about who's "beating him up" this week.
True, you all (meaning the majority of your readership) support Obama (least that's the assumption I get). I don't-nor do I support any of the democratic candidates. But even if I was completely neutral and undecided, I think I'd be put off by the constant use of the "racist!!!" flag. It gets old after a while.
Not everything that's said automatically becomes a racist statement if it's not in support of your candidate.
This is what politicians do, and I commend you (and dna, et all) for seeing through it for what you believe it to be...but at the end of the day, all Obama has to stand on is his record and experience, or lack thereof (again, depending on how you see it).
rik,
I agree that the Clinton attacks are hardly imagined. At the same time, I damn sure don't see Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough and--of late--Sean Hannity pointing out Clinton's attacks as somehow sticking up for Barack. I see these guys as merely trying to chip away at Hillary's veneer in hopes to secure an Obama nomination. Because they, like the Clintonians, are also of the belief that Barack's candidacy is doomed by his Blackness.
Believe me; these peckawoods are licking their chops for an Obama v.[Republican] race.
I hate to go off topic, but did you read Jerome Armstrong's post today on 'Obama and the Latino Vote'? I'm speechless! How quickly do you think this would be made into a major story if this was posted on a popular conservative blog? I think the most UNDER reported story during this entire campaign is the Blacklash (yeah, I said it right)Senator Obama is receiving from White Progressives, most notably Taylor Marsh, Paul Krugman and Jerome Armstrong. They initially tried to couch their hatred in policy issues, but it's becomeing crystal clear that this about the man or should I say the "makeup" of the man. Jerome just said fuck it, "don't vote for Obama (or any Black person) because he can't get the Latino vote because they hate niggers." Maybe it's just me, but I have a problem with a White person telling US--the base of the Party--that we have to take a back seat to Latino hatred of African Americans. I can't even gather my thoughts right now.
I think there is a lot of common ground on policy between the Latino and African American community.
If Obama wins, I think a bigger problem may be the disillusionment of women within the party. If that's the case, he should be Kathleen Sebelius on the ticket with him.
And of course, there's always Edwards to keep the unions happy.
That would be a tough choice.
I hate to go off topic, but did you read Jerome Armstrong's post today on 'Obama and the Latino Vote'? I'm speechless!
I saw it. And, I really had to think about what I was going to say, because what I wanted to say would have probably gotten me banned - I KNOW you understand what I mean.
The polls consistently say that HALF this country has already told you that they will NEVER vote for her.
NEVER.
That includes over half of MEN IN EVERY SINGLE ETHNIC GROUP.
PERIOD.
But, you don't see them writing posts on THAT, do you?
How quickly do you think this would be made into a major story if this was posted on a popular conservative blog?
Oh, in a nanosecond.
I think the most UNDER reported story during this entire campaign is the Blacklash (yeah, I said it right)Senator Obama is receiving from White Progressives, most notably Taylor Marsh, Paul Krugman and Jerome Armstrong. They initially tried to couch their hatred in policy issues, but it's becomeing crystal clear that this about the man or should I say the "makeup" of the man.
I know. And, since we've been putting into words since the Southern Strategy became apparent, they've really gotten that dismissive, ' Oh, you're only crying that because you're an Obama person...not every attack on him is because he's Black'.
I want to say, ' Don't condescend to me mutherfucker. Black folk recognize racism because of SURVIVAL. If they hadn't of pulled this Racist White Citizens Council Bullshit, then we would have brought it up. But, tell me again that I'm imagining it, and you can just kiss my Black ass.'
Had one yesterday on DailyKos try that 3-6-9 with me, and then, you want to know what he brought up as some sort of retort?
Come on, girl. You know.
Yeah, McClurkin.
We can string together about a dozen 'isolated incidents', but we're imagining things, they have one - McClurkin, and suddenly that's the biggest thing in the world. I'm like, please, where is the pattern.
They truly believe that ANY Democrat can win without the Black Bible Thumpers, and just think that they can insult them nilly-willy. BUMP DAT.
Jerome just said fuck it, "don't vote for Obama (or any Black person) because he can't get the Latino vote because they hate niggers." Maybe it's just me, but I have a problem with a White person telling US--the base of the Party--that we have to take a back seat to Latino hatred of African Americans. I can't even gather my thoughts right now.
You gathered them quite well, and I understand where you're coming from because that's how I felt. It's the ' go sit in your corner and come out when we tell you to' bullshit, and it ain't flying.
And, everytime he does a hit piece on Obama, I'm coming back with the, ' But, HALF THE COUNTRY says they will NEVER vote for Hillary...where's your post on THAT?'
BTW, Zogby has Obama doing better in every race against the GOP.
when I bring up that Huckabee won nearly 50% of the Black vote in Arkansas, their response is ' so'?
Nobody Black hearing that a Southern Republican won nearly FIFTY PERCENT of the Black vote would go ' so'.
Bill Richardson provides a solution to that problem, though I think it is way, way, way overstated. The Republicans have gone so anti-immigrant/racist that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend."
I think there is a lot of common ground on policy between the Latino and African American community.
If Obama wins, I think a bigger problem may be the disillusionment of women within the party. If that's the case, he should be Kathleen Sebelius on the ticket with him.
And of course, there's always Edwards to keep the unions happy.
That would be a tough choice.
Fri Dec 21, 11:22:00 AM 2007
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Excellent point!
People are foolish to think that Hillary is electable. She has very real problems with the base of the Democratic party (it started out with unions, it moved on to the anti-war crowd, and now it's blacks). She's alienated these key constituencies within the party. Many people will stay home; many will vote third party; a few will vote Republican; and a few will vote Hillary and hold their nose.
Add that to the fact that 52% of the public has already said they'll never vote for her under any circumstances and add that to the fact that 40% says they'll be motivated to vote if she gets the election--motivated to vote against her, and you see the problems.
Talk to a moderate suburban woman--the swing voter that decides elections--and you'll see the face of the problem. They'll never vote for Hillary for one reason: she didn't dump Bill. These are people that have had problems in their own lives--being with an abuser, an alcoholic/addict, or being cheated on. The most courageous and difficult thing they ever did in their lives was kick the offending man out. They're fiercely proud of that decision, as they should be. They look at Hillary and see someone that didn't have the courage to make tough decisions in her personal life; therefore, they reckon, she won't have the courage to make tough decisions as President. That makes her unpresidential. Even if they want to vote for the Democrat, they'll vote for the Republican because of it. It's why Hillary is so far behind Barack in the trial heats.
Hillary vs. Huckabee=President Bloomberg.
Brian Williams: Good Evening...NBC News is now ready to project that Barack Obama has won the Iowa Caucuses, receiving 40%+ of the vote.
Ladies & Gentlemen, Brothers & Sisters:
Do you all realize how close we are? Do you all realize how close this country is to a major turning point in our history?
For all of the bickering over racist ads, strategies and commentary, we are on the verge of a defining moment.
As sure as I sit here typing this comment, I wonder what my emotions will be that night. If Iowa has enough faith in Obama to entrust him with their vote, then this brotha in Atlanta may just shed a tear...i'll be proud of Obama but even prouder of America.
( . . . )
I have a lot of admiration for Hillary and Bill Clinton and their aspirations for America. I think it's of the greatest importance that we elect a Democratic White House in 2008.
But, if Hillary and Bill appeal to stereotypes about Blacks in this election, then I hope they sink like a stone, taking President Bill Clinton's legacy along with them. IF< IF if that is who they really are, then nobody will miss them."
The Clintons have lost their minds; but at least now folks are knowing where their minds really are in the first place. I used to think it would be a good idea to get Bill back in the White House. That was before he got all chummy with Poppy Bush. Now, with his b.s. on Charlie Rose, the facades the rightwingers were talking about all along are coming down. That's nowhere near as shameful as the soft racism and shielded eyes that are being displayed within the party towards the Clintons antics.
Rikyrah, you say the attacks are hardly in our imagination with an online roll of your eyes; well, i hear you, but no non-black really listens to blacks on race issues until a white says the exact same thing. Only then will it no longer be in our imagination. I saw you trying to get it through some folks skulls this weekend over at DailyKos; they're not going to listen unless a white lays it down for them. That's the way of the world.
The bag of health and politics, thank you for your posts to this thread. And plez.. that's exactly what I fear, too. I wouldn't be surprised at all, if monkey business didn't go down at the polls/voting booths towards the Clintons advantage. How to fight it, though, when so many are afraid to discuss and dismember the beast within the Democratic party even while being on the lookout for the beast within the Republican?
Whether this will trickle down to other people is unknown. White people are loathe to call each other racist...And some might feel that pointing out what Clinton did to her supporters would be doing such. I don't believe that, but it is the reality of race and politics.
Side note: I've been reading Obama's first book carefully: Obama is slowly becoming the nation's Harold Washington. But I still haven't seen pictures of him in the window...yet.
It's hard, Nita. Truth is, my natural inclination is to show Powell some love too. I hear ya, but I just sort of can't forgive him because he was a SOLDIER. I expected more from him than I have ever expected from Condi.
The Clintons have lost their minds; but at least now folks are knowing where their minds really are in the first place. I used to think it would be a good idea to get Bill back in the White House. That was before he got all chummy with Poppy Bush. Now, with his b.s. on Charlie Rose, the facades the rightwingers were talking about all along are coming down. That's nowhere near as shameful as the soft racism and shielded eyes that are being displayed within the party towards the Clintons antics.
Tell me about it.
Rikyrah, you say the attacks are hardly in our imagination with an online roll of your eyes; well, i hear you, but no non-black really listens to blacks on race issues until a white says the exact same thing. Only then will it no longer be in our imagination. I saw you trying to get it through some folks skulls this weekend over at DailyKos; they're not going to listen unless a white lays it down for them. That's the way of the world.
Yeah, I understand what you mean, but the great thing about Black radio, and technology, and the blogosphere, is that we can get the message out, unfiltered. We can send people to video, so that they can SEE for themselves what we're talking about. So that they can read the transcripts for yourself. So, you can SEE Mark Penn on Hardball, and watch Clinton on Charlie Rose, and instantly understand the subtext. The more they try and dismiss what we know instinctively, the more we stand firm.
Whether this will trickle down to other people is unknown. White people are loathe to call each other racist...And some might feel that pointing out what Clinton did to her supporters would be doing such. I don't believe that, but it is the reality of race and politics.
Thus is the prickly subject of race. A little honesty would go a long way....they could figure out the Harold Ford AD in a nanosecond, and it was just ONE Ad. ...but, we can string together a SERIES of incidents into a deliberate PATTERN and its our imagination.
The whole ' imagination' schtick just, well, rubs the wrong way, and I'm being kind in the choice of my words.
I still don't see where the race card was pulled out, are you bigots saying that only us blacks use drugs?
FYI - A commenter accused Jerome Armstrong of being a bigot and then proceeded to use the n word in his comment... I am a regular reader of mydd and Jerome Armstrong's children are biracial, how dare you use the n word on this blog bigot!!!
1. Is there anything UNTRUE in that comment from Sullivan's Blog? I don't think so. The reader outlined quite well the orchestrated attacks on Obama.
2. I just don't read people that share my political philosophy. Sometimes "the enemy of my enemy" and all that.
It's not about Sullivan. It's about the obvious PATTERN from Clinton towards Obama....and, it's not in our ' imagination.'
It's not done gratuitously. We're not apologists; that word is as ugly and derogatory as it ever was and we are not under the delusion that you can take the sting away from it.