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http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/03/on-hateration-and-keiths-special.html
btw, I lurve his bromance with Costas on Football Night In America.
I know how the pedestal works. The fact that even now it works in Hillary's favor, Missy Ann style, says it all for me about Hillary's ability to lead, and (more importantly here) the media's perception of her ability to lead:
she can't
and
she doesn't.
And I agree with everything KO says. I don't fully snark when I say I hope something doesn't happen to him for saying this. We've seen how the Clintons are when they're crossed, or they perceive themselves as being victims. It's a great thing that the Clintons (and Hillary in particular) don't have 'Little Anthony' powers, courtesy of a certain Twilight Zone episode.
"To Senator Clinton's supporters, to her admirers, to her friends for whom she is first choice, and her friends for whom she is second choice, she is still letting herself be perceived as standing next to, and standing by, racial divisiveness and blindness…"
versus
"To President Clinton's supporters, to his admirers, to his friends for whom he is first choice, and his friends for whom he is second choice, he is still letting himself be perceived as standing next to, and standing by, racial divisiveness and blindness…"
Tell me the latter would not be a strong call to step down because someone is out of control and is not in control of himself; someone is dangerously delusional and is committing a form of take everyone down 'suicide' (Olbermann actually used the term 'suicide pact' in his videocast). The 'Madness of King George'. or Queen Hillary.
Olbermann has laid it on the line as best he could, knowing that the Red Queen may very well still call 'off with his head!' like she's done with, well, everyone. I am really, REALLY anxious to see what Democratic leadership is going to do at this point. Not even Pelosi's strongly worded disapproval of Hillary's McCain remarks have gotten Hillary to step down. We get Geraldine Ferraro claiming that the Obama campaign is 'trying to hurt you through me'. What is Democratic leadership going to do? I worry, because if Hillary doesn't step down herself, if she is perceived as 'forced' to drop out, then she becomes a martyr to herself and to her Ellen James fanatics. It was 'that awful (black) Man's fault'. Complete sticky wicket. And again, much love to KO for saying what he's able to say so forcefully... even if he has to say it as if he were talking to an injured dog who can even yet maim him.
It was so bad that Rachel Madow told him that as long as she had worked with him, she had never heard him tell anyone to "shut up" and it was totally inappropriate.
This campaign is bring out the truth of the very worst in people.
I still think someone is going to use the word.
I'd like to hear what he has to say about Chris Matthews and Ed Rendell; they've all but said that Pennsylvania aint voting for that n....a. Chris Matthews is looking for a fight.
Obama supporters will cheer. Clinton supporters will sneer.
Many will say they agree, IN PART, and he gave Clinton supporters an opening for rebuttal. He took it too far, bringing up the 3 a.m. ad and the 'Not Muslim, as far as I know statements.' These two examples are to many, an example of the hypersensitive, hair trigger reaction of many to read racism into everything.
Leadership will sit on their hands while they try to resolve the FL and MI mess.
Net effect: 'identity politics harms all Democrats, all Americans.
Well, someone needs to tell Ms. Ferraro that she's not the victim! I'm sick of this. Joe's basically saying that Obama doesn't even have the right to defend himself.
Joe says that it's no different than what Gloria Steinem said so what's the big deal. Well, it WAS OFFENSIVE when Steinem said it back in January. It's just that the media gave her a free pass and blacks didn't speak up.
This ain't January. And just because you get away with a dumb comment once doesn't give you license to say it over and over again.
Keith was right on the money. I agree with nita's point that he still had trouble laying complete blame/responsibility at her feet. But he went as far as he probably could go.
All I know is this. Barack Obama has bent over backwards to try and be nice to this woman. He has bitten his tongue while her and her people go and say whatever they want.
This was more than a dumb comment. This was a racist comment. And it's representative of how the Clintons feel about Obama. It fits right in line with Hillary's condescending attitude.
Spare me the violins on Ferraro. I could care less if her feelings are hurt or if she is or is not a racist. She said it. It was factually inaccurate and racially offensive. So take responsibility for it.
The fact that Ferraro made the same comment 20 years ago confirms (to me) that the Clinton campaign knew exactly what they could use her for - HRC really doesn't want to distance herself from Ferraro, because she totally agrees with her. Why else did it take so long for Ferraro to go?
What privilege it must be to tell someone that they shouldn't respond or defend themself against your attacks.
And Obama has STILL been above the frey. All he said was that her comments were divisive and absurd. I didn't hear him call her a racist. I didn't see him put on a black leather jacket, throw on a pair of shades, stick a black fist in the air, and yell, "let's get the white woman."
This gets to the heart of the "angry black man" problem. Hillary can go bipolar (I'm honored to share a stage with Barack/Shame on You Barack/He's not qualified/he is qualified so long as he's my v.p.) but Obama can't even respond to a racist comment? He can't respond to a constant talking point (echoed from Clinton to Steinem to Ferraro) that he's an unqualified, empty suit affirmative action candidate who's only gotten thus far through white guilt?
How many people have the Clintons gotten fired or suspended during this campaign? How many apologies has she squeezed out of cable news networks? How many times has Hillary used a sledge-hammer when a chisel would do?
So, I get it. She and Ferraro play the victim until they find a way to turn this into another sister soujah moment. Ferraro gets to go nuclear on Obama while Hillary gets plausible deniability. And the media gets spun into some alternate reality where the victim of the assault is actually at fault. Unreal.
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Yeah! WTF is wrong with Maggie Williams! She may be "doing her job" but f%%% that, I will not sell out my race for a d%mn dollar!
What Ferraro's been saying recently does not match up with what she said 2 years ago about the relative chances of a female or african american candidate.
“I think it’s more realistic for a woman than it is for an African-American,” said Ms. Ferraro. “There is a certain amount of racism that exists in the United States — whether it’s conscious or not it’s true. Women are 51 percent of the population,” she added.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/weekinreview/10nagourney.html?_r=1&scp;=13&sq;=%22geraldine+ferraro%22black&st;=nyt&oref;=slogin
Now I don't believe she coordinated her comments with Hillary's campaign - I think she is angry and bitter that her candidate is not leading and she is lashing out and scapegoating instead of admitting the situation has anything to do with Hillary herself.
However, now that it is out there, both Ferraro and Hillary realize it may benefit them in the long run to stoke these feelings. No doubt it will work on racists, so the question is how many of them are out there?
Roland Martin said it perfectly on his radio show yesterday. He said he doesn't want to hear any of these CBC folks complain about conservative racism, Bush or the Republicans anymore - because they're silent on Clinton because of her name and because of the fact that she's a Democrat.
That's all it is. They've put party above principle. They're political tools . . . no different than the Armstrong Williamses and Larry Elders of the world. The only difference is that they're Democratic apologists while people like Williams and Elders are Republican apologists.
"We can be proud of both Jesse Jackson and Senator Obama."
that woman won't ever stop. even when she's "proud" she's patronising and politically poisonous.
who see it as a replay of the "experienced, qualified woman passed over by slick male newcomer deemed 'promising'" scenario. It's clearly a personal sore spot, to the point where it's causing me second thoughts about some of the "glass ceiling" issues I've tended to dismiss.
Neither candidate can wrap up this nomination because of reservations about BOTH of them with regards to their level of experience.
Obama supporters feel he is more qualified than Clinton because she got mainly where she is today because she was married to a former president.
Clinton supporters feel she is more qualified because of her long record of public service trumps his 'fresh, black face'
Who wins, when both sides have valid points, but have reduced them to the harmful sterotypes and slurs they have been fighting against all their lives?
Yeah I saw that clip too. "If anyone was offended, I'm sorry". To borrow from Olbermann, she makes me want to retch.
Exactly b-serious. And that's what makes Keith Olbermann's editorial all the more important. He realized that no one from any constituency was going to say anything for fear of alienating themselves from the Clintons.
And that's a shame. Keith Olbermann, bless his soul, had to step in and do what Black AND White democrats were afraid to do.
Right. They're bootlicking Handkerchief Heads! It's so disgusting! How can they live with themselves? Have they no shame? Do they think that less of themselves?
Though I don't think he would get a howl from us if he'd gone ahead and called out "Mammy" Maggie Williams for how she's running the Clinton campaign. She was brought in to replace a Latina, Patti Solis Doyle, when Clinton started losing.
I have to say this, as an African-American female, Solis Doyle ran a much more respectable campaign than Maggie Williams. This entire mess can now be laid at Maggie Williams' feet. She's giving the go-ahead nods to all of the surrogates speaking, including Geraldine Ferraro. What is surprising people is that fact this old hag has been a closeted racist all her life, and her keeping her yap shut about it for so long is now spilling over.
The Borg Queen gets to sling two sistas of color under the bus for the ruination of her campaign; Solis Doyle, because under her management, Clinton lost 12 straight contests; and Maggie Williams, whose failure to rein in all the closted bigots in the Clinton camp.
Overall, Olbermann nailed it with his comments, but I understand that minefield he had to go through when discussing the people in the Clinton camp. He also may have not wanted to give Hillary any ammunition if he mentions Maggie Williams, because the Borg Queen would spin it and complain about media coverage, and slinging an allegation about bigotry at Olbermann for calling out Maggie Williams, a sista.
Where's Tubbs Jones and Sheila Jackson-Lee now? ((crickets chirping))
And y'all know John Lewis has to be sitting down with his morning cup of coffee and thanking Jesus for seeing the light and getting the hell off of Plantation Clinton before all of this blew up. Where' Emmanuel Lewis and the rest of the CBC supporting Hillary going to go now?
What do Traci Blunt and Minyon Moore have to say? This woman is racist and she surrounds herself with equally bigoted people. As a Black woman, the first shot Bill Shaheen fired about Obama being a drug dealer would have been enough for me to say "I quit. Even if I don't support Obama, the fact your minions is saying things with racial overtone about him indicates you feel the same way about me and mine. So, if I can't sit at your table, I damned sure don't want your scraps."
"The frustration Ferraro feels, and voiced, speaks to women who see it as a replay of the "experienced, qualified woman passed over by slick male newcomer deemed 'promising'" scenario."
Being a woman and having worked in the corporate world, I totally get this sentiment. But it has to fit the facts of the particular situation. Yes, each side's supporters will view things differently, but this is not that situation. No doubt Hillary is smart but her claims of superior experience for this job does not cut it. At all.
I've seen countless woman on the street interviews of Hillary supporters who say they feel comfortable about her being president because Bill will be there.
Either Obama or Hillary will be miles better than McCain - that I know. But let's cut through this crap about how this is a situation where a qualified woman is being passed over for some slick empty suit. It may very well remind some women of their situation, but it doesn't mean the underlying facts in this particular case support it.
Sure does feel like we're plunging into the abyss tonight.
Fox just posted a big Jeremiah Wright story, and the video is pretty gripping, and deeply racially confrontational. He begins by describing the Romans, who crucified Jesus, as Italians, and thus white, and more or less goes from there.
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright says.
"Hillary ain't never been called a nigger," he says at the climax.
How will Obama respond to this?
I go one better: the Clinton's comments about Obama are indicative of how they feel about Black People overall.
We're convenient to them in getting their agenda accomplished. They sling us under the bus when we get in their way (see Lani Guinier and Joycelyn Elders).
As Maggie Williams will soon find out.
Like I said yesterday, Thank you Keith Olberman...someone in the media finally said it!! And as for the Ferraro comment from a few years ago…
“I think it’s more realistic for a woman than it is for an African-American,” said Ms. Ferraro. “There is a certain amount of racism that exists in the United States — whether it’s conscious or not it’s true. Women are 51 percent of the population,” she added."
When she says women is she saying white women. Secondly, she automatically thinks that all women would support Hillary. Oh really…then why is she mad when blacks support Obama??
Listen, a lot of people who were backing Hillary were banking on that racism to stop him dead in his tracks. When he won Iowa, they realized that he had a chance and went into overdrive with their mudslinging!! So Ferraro made those comments a couple years ago and thought that she knew how it was always going to be. Now that America is proving her wrong shouldn’t she be happy since she isn’t racist...no because she sees it as an obvious threat to her!!! and of course it’s not benefiting her candidate.
Those comments confirm that she really thought America would not elect or come close to electing a black person. She was probably happy about that or comfortable with that. Trust me these white democrats have been taken off guard with Obama's wins. Hillary, her campaign and her supporters was and still is banking on racism from all directions in order to win. They always thought that it would be easy for a white woman but never a black person of any gender. I always said that white democrats can control and contained blacks when they are victims and even “inferior”. They enjoyed that kind of power and superiority. Obama is changing all of that and they don’t like it.
Hillary's done that and more, and it's blowing up in her face. That's what happens to someone who feels "entitled" to POTUS.
I want to know what the CBC members who support Hillary are going to do now? The reception Sheila Jackson-Lee and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones got at Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union was crickets chirping, and giving the platform to Hillary to basically say "My husband did a lot for you ungrateful Negroes" speech really jacked everyone up, especially when Al Sharpton called them out for supporting Hillary's attempts to change the rules with the delegates in Ohio and Michigan.
I'm suffering from battle fatigue and it's not even mine - it's Obama's, but I feel like it's mine because Hillary Clinton attacked the entire Black community in America, and doesn't care if she eviscerates everything, including the Democratic party, because she can't get her way.
Do we really want someone like this in the White House, with her finger on the chicken switch, dealing in foreign policy matters?
Someone on another blog was saying he wanted to see Hillary steal the nomination, so she would be forced to crawl into Black communities and crawl to Black "leaders" to beg for our vote. Jim Clyburn tried to warn Clinton back before South Carolina and told her to dial her rhetoric back a notch, but because he, too, is a brotha, his advice was dismissed.
And now, to her detriment. It's not about just Black people, either, Latinos and Asians had better get a clue, too, because when they get through with Blacks, you're next on their list to be subdued and discriminated against.
If she does it to us, she will do it to YOU. Don't think because you're of brown or yellow descent, you're exempt from racism...
I so don't want us to get mired in the tarbaby of racism during this next six weeks. Obama has been pretty consistent in staying on point and I believe he'll continue to not go there.
"We're better than this" is my mantra right now because otherwise I find myself moved almost to tears.
Tax returns. Library donors. White House archives.
Here's hoping that those don't get forgotten about this week.
If Hillary Clinton had fought Barack Obama on the issues it would have been much better for the Democratic Party.
But nooo, she had to inject race into the campaign.
Also, in my opinion, the way this campaign is waged , it hurts women.
When Hillary was "crying" in New Hampshire it angered me because I know women who do have to fight for what they have accomplished, and Hillary's dumbassed antics cheapen their stuggles and their victories.
I believe there will be a President of the United States who is a woman.
It will not be Hillary Clinton.
"If she does it to us, she will do it to YOU. Don't think because you're of brown or yellow descent, you're exempt from racism..."
-I had to laugh at this: one of the posters calls Hillary the Borg Queen.
When I read it I thought, "Resistance is futile"
"I'm suffering from battle fatigue and it's not even mine - it's Obama's, but I feel like it's mine because Hillary Clinton attacked the entire Black community in America, and doesn't care if she eviscerates everything, including the Democratic party, because she can't get her way."
I'm not black, but I feel exactly the same. Again to borrow from Olbermann, her tactics make me want to retch. Actually, after so much crappy nonsense from her, no need for me to qualify it -she makes me want to retch.
I heard Tucker lost his show...I don't know if the Clinton's had anything to do with that. I know he embarrassed
someone from her campaign and also said her campaign threatened reporters.
I hope this doesn't backfire on Obama. Even though it's Americans who are offended by Ferraro, he is the one who will feel any fallout. Remember Ferraro was pointed in saying the hate mail she got was from Obama's campaign? We know that's impossible...we know that it's just ordinary people who've contacted her. But the intent is to make it seem as if it's Obama's campaign who's responsible.
Hillary Clinton is the architect of this racial divisiveness..she's a fighter remember? This is a woman who's investigated her husband's victims and listened to scanned recordings of cell phone conversations from her opponents. It's believed she used the IRS to investigate people she wanted to destroy. She had investigators looking through Obama's kindergarten records in Indonesia! She is a control freak. Do we really think things can occur in her campaign without her OK? Dick Morris often says she is worst than Nixon. We are still falling into the trap that she's a woman and therefore incapable of being vicious.
I regret the Obama campaign asked for Ferraro to step down...but maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I regret Keith got involved and suggested it's her campaign giving her poor advice. I hope Obama doesn't pay for this.
Has McCaskill or Napolitano attacked Hillary's womanhood the way Andrew Young attacked Obama's blackness? Have they drudged up Hillary's past scandals the way Bob Johnson did in with Barack in South Carolina? Have they called Hillary an empty suit the way Stephanie Tubbs-Jones has spoken of Obama?
Let's get real for a second. Let's stop trying to make excuses for Hillary.
The fact is that I haven't seen Obama's female supporters go after Hillary the way her black supporters go after Obama. You want to know why???
Because those women know that there is a line that they're not willing to cross. All of those women support Obama, but have made it a point to express their admiration (on varying levels) for what Clinton has accomplished. They may support Obama, but they're not willing to trash their own gender to do it (as they shouldn't).
But we've got our own people making excuse after excuse for the Clintons. Putting loyalty over everything else, they're job is to say what Hillary can't. They're just as condescending towards Obama as Hillary and Bill are. And it's sickening. Who the hell is Stephanie Tubbs-Jones to get on national tv and tell/lecture a black audience (at the Tavis SOTBU), "Shame on us?!?!?" That still rubbs me the wrong way when I think about it.
This has nothing to do with group mentality. By all means, support who you want. But you don't have to tear down another black person to do it. Regardless of your personal choice, there's gotta be a point where you're willing to say, "Enough is enough. I supported you, but I won't go there."
We always want to rationalize stuff. We've been trained to make excuses for people . . . "Well, maybe she really meant to say this . . . maybe he was trying to do that."
I keep saying it; and I agree with rikyrah. There is no other group that does this. There is no other group that tolerates as much disrespect as we do.
This is not about censorship so much as it about accountability. I'm not one for censorship. You won't see me picketing some rap artist or comedian. But I draw a line when it comes to politicians. Ignorance + power is a dangerous thing. Michael Richards has no power over me, but a racist in the white house or in congress sure does.
We always talk about the "issues" when discussing the candidates. Well, let me tell y'all something. . . RESPECT IS AN ISSUE!!! As a matter of fact, the very first prerequisite to getting someone's vote is to convey a sense of RESPECT! It seems that almost every group demands respect except for us. No, we're too worried about what other folks are gonna think.
I'm gonna put this out for a thought piece. You tell me what you think:
I'm gonna be honest here. I really think a President could call someone a nigger on national tv and get away with it. Seriously. It would be highly controversial. He'd take a lot of heat and a hit to his image. But he wouldn't lose his office over it. He'd maintain his power and authority. It might take a year or two, but he'd do it. And he'd probably have black folk (either Democratic or Republican apologists) defending him all the way.
Don't forget, this wouldn't be some comedian or news anchor. This would be the President of the U.S. calling a black man/woman a nigger. Some leaked tape in the President's second year of his term. Do you honestly think America would force the most powerful person in the world to step down over something like that?
Now flip it. What if a President got caught saying something anti-semetic? What do you think would happen?
The Jewish community don't play that. And I ain't mad at 'em. God bless 'em for it. Because they're not afraid to show pride and solidarity when they need to. What's the matter with us? I can see the excuses now: "But we're in the middle of a war .. . yeah, but he's created x million jobs . . . yeah, but he's had a history of helping the black community."
It's not always about the "issue." A lot of times, it's about the willingness of a person or a people to stand up for themselves. No one's gonna fight your battles for you.
Let me tell anybody who reads this THAT it has been white men getting over with empty resumes because their unearned white privelege has rewarded them in all facets of life. When you are black you have to work three times as hard to be even considered and you must not just be good but exceptional.
I take this very personally as you can see.
I know.
Someone on another board actually complained that Obama stood up about this...and because he did, HE was playing the race card?
GTFOH.
Obama has let slide over 90% of the incidents on the Wiki.
But, sometimes, you gotta speak out.
I'm watching Anderson Cooper, and why do I continue to feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
Having DAVID GERGEN say that Obama was correct in confronting what Ferraro said..
And MARY FRANCES BERRY talking shit about he shouldn't have said anything? Well, her ass has been SUSPECT since she helped Julian Bond with that bullshit letter about seating Florida and Michigan.
I turn on another channel, and I see CLAIRE MCCASKILL defending Obama on this situation..
And Meeks from Florida trying to shin and grin his way through explaining why Ferraro's statements aren't as bad as thought.
NEGRO, PLEASE.
Add in Earl Ofari Hutchinson's shuffling along piece, and I'm just about too thru.
ESPECIALLY AFTER THEY DUG UP THE COMMENT SHE SAID ON JESSE JACKSON TOO.
Hillary's done that and more, and it's blowing up in her face. That's what happens to someone who feels "entitled" to POTUS.
When Olbermann repeated about THE PATTERN...
I was like, Amen.
When ISOLATED INCIDENTS
Are neither ISOLATED nor INCIDENTAL
It's a PATTERN.
Accept what the PATTERN tells you.
Jim Clyburn tried to warn Clinton back before South Carolina and told her to dial her rhetoric back a notch, but because he, too, is a brotha, his advice was dismissed.
So true. So true. He was just a Stupid Brotha - what did HE know.
After all, we're just Dumb Darkies who need some hand-picked chicken eating 'leader' to tell us what to think.
Right on!!!! It's like I'm watching some photo negative. We're relying on white people to decry white racism. What a shame.
Is it strategic on some of their parts? Is it that they don't want to get marginalized in a "black" issue? I get that, but still . . . you have to stand up for yourself.
I'm not asking for a march on washington. I'm just asking for black folks to stand up for themselves.
Keith, you rock, and, thanks for someone keeping it real in the press, instead of falling for the poor victimized Geraldine, who knew she would get exactly the response she wanted, and, I wish Obama would have not said a thing, just let the bigots running the HRC camp keep shooting themselves in the foot. And, i wonder when that Tubb's lady will be out defending Geraldine as the most fair white woman ever in her usual babbling way???
Make no mistake about this:
Craig Crawford absolutely, positively hates Barack Obama. NOTHING is more clear.
While some commentators are clear Clinton shills, very few are seething with contempt against Obama the way that Crawford does.
Some of the rest of them may feel it the way Crawford does, but few are as obvious.
Ridley...well....you know I have no use for him.
OOO
The problem with them is---it's getting down to the brass tacks & this uppity negra is going to win the nomination & he has to be stopped now! F%%% Hillbilly Joe!
As usual, I write off Joe Scarborough because he probably was drunk on the air again.
Don't worry, they will get a "Worst Person in the World" award from Keith pretty soon.
But I wish every time Joe opens his yap, someone should close it by making him answer questions about that dead intern found in his office when he was in Congress. THAT got a free pass from the media and was never mentioned on national TV.
I will ask this question: if you're racist, why not be proud of the fact like David Duke or Geraldine Ferraro? Because, they feel deep down in their bones, it goes against how God wired them?
I'd rather have you call me "Nigger" to my face than act like a liberal, smiling, while you stick that machete in my back.
Rikyrah, I notice that pattern of which you and Olbermann speak. It's how I bust companies for discrimination in their employment practices. And if we all identified it, you know Mammy Maggie has identified it, too; but I'm willing to call her out and say she's facilitating all of this nonsense.
Is her loyalty to Hillary Clinton such that she will sling Black communities under the political bus for bootstrapping, profit and elevation of her mistress?
Give her the Handkerchief, the lantern and stick her behind on the lawn in cement, because she needs to be there permanantly for the ruckus she allowed her boss to cause. Even Donna Brazile had more control over the Gore campaign than Maggie Williams.
An African-American working for Hillary Clinton about now, needs to have a strong constitution, or they have sold out to the point they are long past giving a damn.
Seems like what they expect from Obama (and their supporters) is to act like Jackie Robinson. Which is, actually, what Obama himself is doing (he said "no, she's not racist, but the tactic is the same old slice & dice politics").
But when Hillary herself (not through surrogates/supporters) screams bloody murder about sexism and Samantha Powers and whatnot, it's A.O.K with them.
I don't mind them stating their opinions that this would hurt Obama - it may very well hurt him if this blows up. But they are complicit in the wrong headed framing - that any white person will be called a racist for saying anything about Obama. That's not what this is about. Obama has it right - he never called Ferraro a racist, he said her statement was ridiculous, which it is.
It seems people like Crawford & Scarborough think Obama should remain mute when it comes to any issues related, in any way whatsoever, to race. It offends their delicate sensibilities apparently. Or maybe it scares them.
The CBC is particularly galling. They are merely interested in patronage. And where the fuck is Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union when this shit is going down? I knew he was full of shit when he was talking skeptically about Barack's platform on home foreclosure and healthcare against a backdrop that promoted his sponsors, Wells Fargo and McDonalds. And to talk about Iraq and conveniently not mention his other sponsor, ExxonMobil, was also self serving.
The thing is that a day of reckoning is upon us. Maxine Waters and others politicians can talk all that pro-Black bullshit but the proof is their silence on this latest reckless and ill-conceived move by the Clinton camp. Someone earlier was right in pointing out that if a faintly antisemitic remark was uttered then swift universal rebuttal would have ensued. But with us it seems we are now encrusted with black apologists for Democratic racist smears.
For anyone out there who lives in one of these kneegrows' districts and has aspirations for assuming their offices please drop your email address or a link to your organization. As Barack has shown, sometimes a thing just grows. An entity arises from a discrete voice saying, "I can." And it replicates in viral fashion to overwhelm a nation. Barack has given us a blueprint for action. Let's use it. I promise right now that if you are legit that I will lend you a hand. Let's purge these second and third line muhfuckin inheritors of the Civil Rights Movement from the body politic.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=o45G2actM8I
So, Barack has got to come out with something mind blowing and inspirational to speak to the hearts of these people. He can't go there with his same speeches. Rather that drawing apart and taking sides, Americans have to draw together and show that they are one. That would be the best antidote to Hillary and her divisive spirit.
This may pose a problem....
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/comments?type=story&id;=4443788
Asked about Saturday Night Live’s apparent pro-Hillary bias of late, Obama camp responds…
"Frankly, Barack Obama knows he's good enough, smart enough and, gosh darn it, he's won more states, more votes and more delegates, and that's what probably matters more anyway," he quipped, à la Stuart Smalley.”
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-snl13mar13,0,5294859.story
Yea, I agree they are trying their hardest to get Obama to talk about race in order to marginalize him. Thats obviously whats going on in this case because after Ferraro made the initial comments, she kepts adding to it. She keeps inciting.They know what they are doing.
I used to live in Charles Rangel's district. He's like 77, hopefully they dont vote him back in esp when he heard that there was FRAUD in his district and he hasnt done anything about it or siad anything about it from what I know. Its obvious that Clinton and her supporters dont care about disenfranchising voters when its in their favor.
A guy was on MSNBC (black guy)from the Washington Post defending Ferraro. Of course we are the ones always doing that kind of thing whether in politics or entertainment...always!! When I saw Mary Frances Berry and David Gergen come on to discuss it I changed the channel...she always dogs Obama. I couldn't watch another person do down that road on public television.
The CBC are indeed a bunch of hankerchief heads along with members of the NAACP end of discussion. Hankerchief head is the most fitting term period. As for Maggies Williams...no comment.
Mary Frances Berry reminds me of my ole aunt who will support the Clintons to any extent until she dies. Its pretty embarassing.
Obama has been quiet with almost every one the personal attacks against him. He is right see stand up for himself. If he didnt then they would probably be like oh...he's to weak etc etc...If he didnt respond then I actaully would be upset with him.
Keith Olberman put it on national TV, the truth end of discussion. It was about time that someone in the media blew the whistle!!
P.S. As I said, If Obama wins its because he's black and if he loses its because he's black...the Clintons are going to continue to inject race anywhere possible. If he wins South Carolina its because he's black and if he loses Pennsylvania is because he's black and the people are as Gov. Rendell said ...to racist to vote for him. I think that Hillary's passive response is because Ferraro spoke in public what they probably are all are saying behind closed doors. Hillary has hinted and "winked" at this kind of thing for a while. It falls in line with the rest of her tactics. Its coming from the top no excuses for her anymore.
The Clintons are not going to BAMBOOZLE this negro...sorry.
I think he needs to stay on message. Why isn't he assembling economists to come up with a five-year plan on lifting America out of this current economic slump? Now that would be inspiring to most Americans. You could be a Rat Terrior and Americans would vote for you if you put money in their pockets.
His people need to back off the race thing. As Dyson said at the SOTBU, we know Obama has to grin at the white folks and wink at us. We'll know racism is important to him (his name is Barack Hussein Obama for God's sake). He just can't articulate it if he wants to get elected.
Thank, Anon, for the Blacks 4 Barack link.
Thanks for the email addy for MSNBC, I will be shooting them an email post hast about the Morning Imus, I mean Joe show, and Pat "STFU" Buchanan and David "Minstrel Show" Gregory, who will be replacing Tucker "Bowtie" Carlson.
This may pose a problem....
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/comments?type=story&id;=4443788
Oh really? Why might it pose a problem?
It's pretty Rovian.
I'm glad Obama's not taking the bait - and *wow* - have they been laying it out!
I know I'm a broken record, but come on down to Philly this weekend if at all possible. The Obama campaign is doing a barbershop/salon voter registration drive. Each and every one of you is needed!
Although I must admit I don't think I quite understand Rev Wright and I am all for Black pride!
rikyrah,
Right on!!!! It's like I'm watching some photo negative. We're relying on white people to decry white racism. What a shame.
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because white people don't listen to Negroes when it comes to this kind of thing. It was Tim Wise (and others) who wrote about that.... and it remains true. This had to come from Keith Olbermann, and it helps immensely that he is a gray templed white man. That's still life in America. Now an authoritative white females needs to say something on the scale of the Daily Kos thread yesterday, 'A White Woman's Open Letter to Geraldine Ferraro and Hillary Clinton'.
The number of females of all colors out there who are eating up the 'allmen are dogs and slime' narrative, and the 'all black men are dogs and slime who have always been responsible for destroying this country because sexism is worse than racism' narrative (which is worse), is appalling.
I think it's sad, but Obama--throw Daddy from the train. If not, this will be millstone around your neck the rest of the campaign.
His black card must have been revoked at the age of 10. He has always been a lost cause.
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"When I saw Mary Frances Berry and David Gergen come on to discuss it I changed the channel...she always dogs Obama."
She lived up to your expectations but you may be surprised to learn that Gergen wouldn't give her an inch. The way Ridley sat their today and let everyone and their mother falsely claim that Obama called Ferraro and the Clintons racist (that alone is what is going to stick in the minds of white voters), Gergen corrected her. He corrected every misleading talking point she tried to leave in the air. He wouldn't give her ONE inch with which to hang Obama (she actually seemed a little caught off guard by it). He ended with I respect her but I disagree with her views on this stuff. It is sad when others have more integrity on these race issues than so-called black "leaders".
Truth be told, racism and bigotry has been pronounced on both sides of this Clinton/Obama Democratic debacle. Racist comments and jabs have come from people of all races and ethnicities. Long before Bill Clinton's comments in South Carolina and long before Geraldine Ferraro's recent comments, there were people in the black community who made racist statements about the Clinton's.
We all reap what we sow. And I think that it is time for all of us to take a serious look in the mirror.
Oh Wow--You think the handkerchief heads get it by now!
Although I must point out that I don't think Obama is guilty himself of racism. He did denounce Wright's views although I believe he must totally reject. However that is still different than Clinton's pattern of race baiting and fear mongering since South Carolina! There is a difference in racial pride and race baiting! Don't be confused!
So, no time for looking in any mirror, in the real world, folks use race as a bait for those who are easily duped daily by the shenanigans of team Clinton.
So Terrence you are going to have to raise your game to at least JV level to hang out in this forum. It's not that I have a problem with contrary opinion; I've got a problem with completely unsubstantiated remarks like yours that try to pass for fact or serious social commentary and analysis. That's just weak. Sort of like HRC herself at this juncture.
We can all disagree on who we support for the presidency but you will not skate by with spreading lies and misinformation about my candidate. You need to stop smoking those smear emails.
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(from http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/a... second this emotion from !Persecuted Palestinian. Do I hear a third?
I am designating tomorrow as Hillary Free Day.
Between 12 am EST - and for the next 24 hours, no blogging about Hillary.
Hillary is irrelevant. The only way she could win the nomination is by stealing it.
Let's concentrate our effort on issues that will hone our message for the general election and getting as many delegates as possible from the remaining contests.
Join me in spreading this message.
Feel free to copy this blog and make it your own.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/
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-Evidence, please?
Oops! You got busted down!
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Moreover, I think it's obvious that lots of people are sympathetic to Obama precisely because they really love the idea of a black guy being president — so long as he's qualified for the job. Lots of Democrats would have voted for Powell in 1996 (partly) for that reason and I can imagine quite a few Republicans doing likewise.
I don't see any problem with Barack Obama admitting that part of his appeal is the hope that he might help mend the racial divide and turn a new page. But he could also say that he's not running for the President of Black America but of all America and that his qualifications involve more than his skin color. He's more than eloquent enough to make that case.
I'm sure Obama is trying to refocus back to positive things. And I wish him all the best in this. He has a ton of positive things to say. As long as the race stuff doesn't drown him out.
Option #1 - Confrontational
Seeing as how the black clergy were among the first to line up behind the Clinton machinery . . . how many of you are willing to bet that there are probably 4 or 5 pro-Hillary black clergymen whom have said similarly controversial things? I'm sure it would be easy to find tapes of such statements and throw it right back at the Clintons if they want to make it an issue.
That's one approach.
There are some JV teams that brought their "A" game better than you did on this board.
Bring the "A" game, son; otherwise, thanks for playing. ;-)
But here's another approach . . .
Strategically speaking, it would seem as though Obama will have to do more than "reject and denounce" Mr. Wright. People are and have always been looking for a reason to NOT vote for Obama. The underlying theme from his critics is that Obama's too good to be true. It is wrapped in cynism.
Knowing this, the "Hussein" stuff coupled with the church is all people need to say, "I told you so."
No one is going to take the same route with McCain or Hillary, because we assume they don't have to prove their Americanness as Obama does. Hilary is a "first" but Barack has another issue that he must overcome. Not only is he a "first," but he's also an "other." His name, skin tone, background and upbringing raise doubts to traditional americans. . . "Is he really one of us?"
Therefore, it seems like Obama will have one last racial hurdle to overcome before he wins this thing (which he will). He will not only have to reject and denounce . . . he will have to EXPLAIN.
That's what it's gonna come down to. I've watched both videos and I understand where the pastor is coming from. He says slings some hard one-lines (e.g., "GD America" and 9/11 conspiracy) that Obama, for political reasons should squash right off the bat.
However Mr. Wright's race-related comments are not far fetched for someone like me. But I'm black and have a proper context of where he's likely coming from. MSM doesn't have that context. That's because the MSM has a "color-blind" context whereas most black folk have a "color-conscious" context (myself included).
So what does Obama do? I doubt white america will ever understand the context. I wouldn't expect them to. It would be unfair and unrealistic the think they'll find a way to sympathize in 8 months.
But here's the deal. Racism and religious intolerance thrive off of ignorance. It is FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN that drives the muslim emails, Hussein fear and church controversy.
So, this is what I think he should do: OPEN THE DOORS TO HIS CHURCH.
Seriously. It would be a bold movement, but I think he could pull it off. Imagine this. Obama goes to Fox News to set up an interview with Sean Hannity. But instead of a standard five minute sit-down, Obama takes Sean to his church.
I'm serious here. Think of the impact. Bring him to the sermon; show him around the church; introduce him to the people (their families and their kids).
Obama would be able to prove (gasp!) they're just like everyone else.
It's a bold move, but the payoff could be huge. That's the way you overcome racial and religious divisions. You get together . . .you break bread together.
I was part of the my school's college gospel choir. One of the easiest things we could do at that time was to invite an "outsider" to our church. Simple as that. We weren't trying to convert anyone. All we did was share our world. Church, fellowship and soul food afterwards. You know what happened? They came back the following Sunday.
If Obama is truly going to unite us (or at least start), then he'll have to HEAL. Education and oppeness is the BEST weapon against ignorance. It would truly put Obama on a whole new playing field.
What do you guys think?
It was the initial reason why Blacks were cool on his candidacy, as sort of a "What kind of Negro would diss his own pastor by disinviting him to his Announcement for POTUS?"
I know, because the loudest yelling anyone heard about that was from ME.
That also gave Tavis his entree into straight hateration of Obama, and it also indicated that whomever was running Obama's campaign at that time, was not in touch with the demographics he had to reach.
His statement of "There is no Black America" is still giving me gas.
Having said that, I think for Obama to sling his pastor under the bus would send the message that he's even willing to forsake GOD if it gets him the White House.
There's ways he can disagree with his pastor without throwing him under the juggernaut being driven by Sean Hannity, and carrying the passengers of HuffPo and Josh Marshall's crew. If he's smart, he needs to find it.
I don't like the double standard coming here, either. Mitt Romney wasn't asked to sling members of the LDS under the bus; nor was Grandpa Fred, or Mike Huckabee. In fact, Huckabee got a lot of traction with his dominionist theories of running the government had he got POTUS.
If they weren't made to denounce their religious beliefs or sling their buddies like Rod Parsley, John Hagee or Eddie Long under the religious bus, Obama shouldn't be required to do it,either.
Now that it's really looking like Obama may win this thing, people are starting to LOOK FOR REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM IN THE GENERAL.
Even if it means McCain gets the White House. That's just how embedded and entrenched racism and bigotry is in America.
Shoot, the U. N. just released a report on a global scale that indicates the United States is failing in how it treats Native Americans, African-American and Latinos in this country:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/12/7626/print/
If you don't want to vote for Obama, then don't. But HuffPo and Josh Marshall need to quit flinging the "what Obama needs to do" BS if they're not going to go after Hillary with the same brush.
What could Hannity say if he refuses the invitation, and how stupid would Hannity look if he was actually challenged to go visit Obama's church before trashing it based on lies from Juan Williams or some other Handkerchief Head working at Fake News?
In addition, not that I agree but Obama did say that there was no "White America" when he says that I believe that he is trying to open up discourse so that we can come together, understand each other and improve our country...thats what I took from it but I could be wrong.
I was never cold with Obama because I tuned out the media and everyone who was getting to know the guy. My roomate is from Chicago and he used to represent her district in the Illinois State Senate. her mother campiagned with him for House of Rep in 2000 and she volunteered for him when he was running for the Senate. So I had known from somebody that he did good for his communtiy. I do hope that he will continue. Rev. Wright had said that Obama may have to distance himself from him when he runs for president, he said that.I beleive that Wright was still at his announcement but he didnt speak, I heard that he prayed with the family before the announcement. However I dont think that he needs to distance himself from Jeremiah Wright, I agree with B-serious he needs to be open about it. He will have to however openly disagree with some of Wrights statements etc... which he has done before but will have to do again with this last uprising of the same story. He needs to find a soultion to this because its going to keep popping up.
Its America, blacks and others have to always prove that they are American no one else would have to deal with that.
What could Hannity say if he refuses the invitation, and how stupid would Hannity look if he was actually challenged to go visit Obama's church before trashing it based on lies from Juan Williams or some other Handkerchief Head working at Fake News?"
I agree completely. Is there a way that we can contact the brotha and let him know this???
I suggest that it doesn't matter who started this racist debacle cause, again, truth be told, I know black folk that have been saying some truly hateful stuff and they should not be excused.
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For example?
Keep in mind that I DO NOT condone racial politics, however, if HRC and others associated (or formerly associated) with her campaign are to be held accountable, so should the people who have made racist and sexist comments and statements about the Clinton's. To deny that it has been one-sided is FOOLISH and do I dare say, IGNORANT. My point is.......Enough of the excuses ON BOTH SIDES.
If you are an Obama supporter and you have wallowed in the mud of racism YOU are just as GUILTY as Geraldine Ferraro or Bill Clinton.
I suggest that it doesn't matter who started this racist debacle cause, again, truth be told, I know black folk that have been saying some truly hateful stuff and they should not be excused.
AGAIN, look in the mirror. If it doesn't apply to YOU then don't worry, but a lot of African-Americans/Blacks are guilty of fanning the flames of racism and polarization. Let's keep it real.
It doesn't matter if it isn't coming directly from Barack's mouth. A lot of his "grassroots" supporters have made some vile comment, and so has some HRC supporters.
As I have said, on the racial front, there is enough blame to go around.
In regards to the welfare reform and mandatory sentencing crap, I say move on. America needed welfare reform. I find it ironic that many blacks don't want to be associated with welfare stereotypes yet, they complain about how welfare reform hurt blacks under Clinton. I say, tough. There needed to be a change. And I am glad Clinton had the courage to do it. We as African-Americans deserve better. If welfare reform meant getting some lazy asses off their butts to go to work or school - then so be it.
I also believe that some harsher prison sentences WERE necessary. Most of the black embeciles in our community have been killing blacks in our community, and UNFORTUNATELY they still are. Some of these brothas (and sistahs) deserve(d) mandatory sentences and so do many non-blacks who have perpetrated crimes that they had absolutely no business.
While crack vs. cocaine sentencing disparities were/are unfair - if people were not selling drugs or in possession of drugs they would not have to worry about falling victim to a racist system that has proven itself to be racist since 1619.
Again, stop making excuses. It is time for some of us to take personal responsibility for our own actions.
I still don't believe you have given any VALID reverse racism examples agoinst the Clintons!
WHY?????????????
Have you been programmed to say this without factual back up?
Obama needs to avoid being 'radicalized.'
playing the race card, code words for daring to speak up and speak out against racist actions or thoughts.
Second, give it a rest already, anonymous. Stop playing ignorant.
The proof is everywhere. You can start by taking a look through a number of black-oriented/focused blogs. I've also heard racist comments on black radio as well. Again, stop playing ignorant.
As I have suggested, bigotry and sexism have been played out both sides - by the politicians and the "grassroots" alike.
! Discussions on this blog keep bringing up the same stuff as my dinner table discussions -- this is another one. We were talking about this last night.
Unfortunately I feel this is the "alternate reality" of white entitlement/white supremacy and it is alive and well as foundation of the United States. Doesn't take much spinning to frame it that way. It's already being done. Consistent with existing dynamics in this country already.
Like ... Not long ago I was working with an activist organization and one of the members (who isn't white) named and described some intrusive racist actions by another group which was run by white people. A white leftist woman (who wasn't even from that group but apparently identified with them) responded by getting offended and engaging in racist interactions herself in trying to argue about it. It went from there. It led to the typical climax several days later with the white woman CRYING at a meeting saying *she* had been attacked, and the other woman being told by leaders to apologize to her.
1. Who wins, when both sides have valid points, but have reduced them to the harmful sterotypes and slurs they have been fighting against all their lives?
I am disoriented by the distortion it takes for you to make this appear as if it is an equal "two-way" street. I can't even figure out how to respond beause this comment is so clearly a distortion, a lie, designed to gloss over the deep and real differences in how each campaign has engaged. Ugh.
2. Obama supporters feel he is more qualified than Clinton because she got mainly where she is today because she was married to a former president.
Weird how you can read our minds! Well, in my case at least you're wrong,. I can only speak for myself, but I support Senator Obama because I support his method, his approach to the work and the underlying good judgement and maturity of it. The grassroots-oriented, listening, more bottom- approach to leadership is the one I want in a president. It is built into how he is running his campaign -- what he does.
In contrast, Senator Clinton is a top-down, control-hungry, power-over leader. That is built into how she is running her campaign.
He acts like a leader engaged in public service, like someone who would have some accountability to those he leads. She acts like ... well, she acts kind of like a monarch.
If Senator Clinton hadn't made such a big fuss about her supposed experience I wouldn't mind the origin of that experience as much as I do. SHE is the one who has made claims about experience originating in her white heterosexual privilege, based on the fact that she is married to a powerful white man. SHE is the one shining the light on that. It is on her to explain it.
Her long record of public service? Subtract the parts that are her white heterosexual privilege (claiming experience as Bill's spouse), add Senator Obama's actual experience including being an organizer and other non-DC work, and the two are equal or he comes out ahead.
At which point the question is again, what differentiates them -- and my answer is that his approach to leadership is magnificent and hers is dictatorial. I find his approach far saner, much more trustworthy, much more mature, and deeply deeply preferable to hers.
So to take one extreme example that has come up in dinner table discussions at my house: I am terrified of what Senator Clinton would do were there some sort of national crisis. I see her as someone who would send in National Guard, military who knows who else (Blackwater?) etc to control the populace. She would respond to a major crisis as if the control and power she is entitled to were threatened and she would act accordingly.
Senator Obama, on the other hand, would be more likely to respond constructively -- maybe by calling on the people of this country to come together and work together to get through it as best we can and backing up the call with tools for such work. And I think he would have an excellent chance of pulling it off.
Are you serious? You are citing bloggers as your VALID example of reverse racism??? There are rottom apples in every race!
America is focusing on MSM. If ANYONE in either camp or any responsible person representing either party were encouraging race baiting I would point it out just the same! You can go around policing ignorant blacks all you like. If this is what you chose to do then go around policing all ignorant whites and other races on websites as well! GOOD LUCK!
I suggest you stop playing ignorant, TERRENCE!
I NEVER said I would support anyone in the Obama camp espousing racism! You are playing childish games!
Everyday it becomes more clear why Clinton gets the majority of the uneducated vote! She is defintely playing to ONE audience! She doesn't dare approach an intelligent audience with wreckless racial BS!
Actually I will do it
1. The sentencing for crack and cocaine should be the same!!!! Period. All those CBC Clinton heads would agree.
2. Welfare stereotypes, are just that stereotypes about who is on welfare, why they are there and their lives. There are very few actualities. A Republican talking point just like what was done with Affirmative Action. Clinton also contributed to the demise of that also.
Now..When you reform something, you should do it for the better. When you reform something you should create jobs not sign NAFTA, you should make sure that there is quality childcare. Under Clinton there was a loss of 1.5 million in affordable housing if not more. There is reason why welfare was created and the problems surrounding why many are so dependent still exists. We need to address it, fix it and then we can reform it. Ask Marian Edelman Wright of the Children Defense Fund who they threw under the bus.
3. He signed the Omnibus Crime Bill go look it up. He cut colleges out of many prisons. College is a form of rehabilitation when the colleges left, the crime in prisons rose. Thats not it, there is more but do some research, I'm not going to spoon feed you.
4. I cannot forgive him for dropping the ball on Rwanda in 94. I guess places like Kosovo and Ireland are more important.
I have always been skeptical of the Clintons. I was young when he was president however the minute I learned about him I knew better. I dont dislike him, hate him nothing like that but I am not putting him up on a pedestal. I surely dont owe him nor his wife.
Support Clinton by all means but dont come to this forum with nonsense like blacks have said racist things to the Clintons etc etc etc...you sound dumb. All blacks ever did for the last 16 years was kiss their asses and praised them like Gods.I havent heard any racial remarks or even anything negative from the majority of them until they began injecting race into this election.
very far left, code words for pro equal rights and pro civil rights and pro a woman's right to choose.
playing the race card, code words for daring to speak up and speak out against racist actions or thoughts.
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I'm sorry, I don't have a copy of your code book.
Most people would take exception to Wright's comments regarding this country, 9/11, etc. and see this as hate toward our country and 'white Europeans.' This view is very extreme.
It may be your view as well, but it is not shared by most Americans.
All Wright's comments do is foster hatred and resentment towards our fellow man.
One of Obama's Earmarks Went to Hospital That Employs Michelle Obama
In the list of earmarks Obama requested, $1 Million was requested for the construction of a new hospital pavilion at the University Of Chicago. The request was put in in 2006.
You know who works for the University of Chicago Hospital?
Michelle Obama. She's vice president of community affairs.
"In 2006, the Chicago Tribune reported that Mrs. Obama’s compensation at the University of Chicago Hospital, where she is a vice president for community affairs, jumped from $121,910 in 2004, just before her husband was elected to the Senate, to $316,962 in 2005, just after he took office."
Looks like that raise was worth it.
Re: Wright
The problem is that he is not simply a well-meaning black pastor, sounding themes of African-American self-improvement. His loopy references about the past, and the many sins of a white racist America, coupled with his promiscuous use of slurs about other races and religions, (and his own country), put him clearly in the camp of extremists. In other words, he is a nut, and the more Obama’s tries to pooh-pooh that, the worse it gets. Most who could sit through those diatribes and venom each week might find it difficult to have a balanced view of so-called “white” people or the country at large.
I have no idea what Pastor Wright's theology is, but his politics are very radical, and they are legitimately an issue for the Obama campaign.
Wright's sermons are full of political positions that, if held by Senator Obama, will have an impact on the policies that President Obama.
RACISM IS BORM OF IGNORANCE AND FEAR! There will be takers of this in every race! Instead of you trying to enlighten us of reverse racism of ignorant Blacks "on the streets" why don't you enlighten those who are unashamedly espousing racism in the media-people of power-law makers/politicians etc?!?! No one cares about the ignorant white racists on the streets! They are NOT running things just as ignorant racist Blacks on the streets are not!
And it's going to work.
White voters will turn against Obama because all this discussion of race makes them queasy. Obama kept race out of this campaign because he knew better.
But Ferraro and Clinton have injected it because they also know better.
And it's working.
The media is working hard to exalt Hillary.
It's working.
Hillary's poll numbers are increasing across the board.
I always knew Obama would be lynched before this was all said and done, but I had no idea who would be leading the lynching party.
Turns out Hillary Nixon had the rope in her handbag the entire time.
So, the HRC fans are making a whole lot of nonsense while feeding the GOP free ammuniton more than anything else, no way will "that woman" be elected to the WH, and, if, she is the nominee, the GOP will go after her like they all the others they have combined, and she has nothing to stand on, other than tears and try and cry a la Gerri, sexism and get trounced, with my vote in the count against her.
Obama stands for hope, and, hope is still alive, no matter how hard HRC tries to steal the election. And, if she does knock off her race baiting, the DNC will forever be the step child of the two party system when blacks flee.
Respectfully, I gotta disagree with ya on this one. Hillary needs more than a blowout in PA to catch up.
A big win in PA ain't gonna do it for Clinton.
She's down by over 700,000 popular votes and counting. Rumor has it that this number could get even higher when they tally the popular votes from the caucus states.
Plus Obama still looks strong in places like NC and OR.
She's got an insurmountable deficit in pledged delegates.
She's already lost the race for states.
The only way she gets this is through media spin, the super delegates, and deafening silence from us, the people.
Now, I know that this is possible. The Democrats could reverse the will of the people. But that would be political suicide.
Seriously, say goodbye to an entire generation of voters ages 18-30. Say goodbye to the black vote. Give liberal, "latte-sipping" voters an excuse to vote for Nader.
How does she win Ohio without the black vote in Cleveland and Cincinnati? How does she win PA without the black vote in Philadelphia? The list goes on and on.
Plus, the only real reason to choose Hillary over Barack would be out of some sense of loyalty to the Clinton name. Her big state myth has been debunked by numerous sources. Obama does better than her in head-to-head contests with McCain. Obama's expanding the party while Hillary's negatives are just as high (if not higher) than her positives. Forget a glass ceiling . . . Hillary's got a cement ceiling and it's due, in large part, to her divisive tactics.
She can spin all she wants. But a logical, sober look at the math says she's a weaker candidate than Obama.
So, should the super delegates give her the nomination because she's a "Clinton?" Tell that to those Democrats on the down ticket in red states. They ain't voting for her. Like Bill did in '94, she risks losing Congress to the Republicans by 2010. Try passing universal health care when that happens.
Obama is far from done. In fact, I think he's in a very strong position. And when we get out of the spin zone, he's as strong as he's ever been.
Plus, do-overs in Florida look like a dead issue because the state Dems just shot down the idea of a mail-in vote.
Bottom line. Hillary needs more than PA and she doesn't have enough states left to get the job done.
RACISM IS BORM OF IGNORANCE AND FEAR! There will be takers of this in every race! Instead of you trying to enlighten us of reverse racism of ignorant Blacks "on the streets" why don't you enlighten those who are unashamedly espousing racism in the media-people of power-law makers/politicians etc?!?! No one cares about the ignorant white racists on the streets! They are NOT running things just as ignorant racist Blacks on the streets are not!"
LOL! What have you not been COMPREHENDING? Sad. You've almost exacted my point. I would further clarify that regardless of one's affiliation with either party, if one (regardless of race, ethnicity or gender) is "espousing" racist or sexist views they are no less guilty than the most popularly accused.
anonymous, part of your comment is so naive that it is DANGEROUS. Instead of responding with emotions please read and COMPREHEND.
" Ellis Island Black" today.
Sometimes, he just cracks me up.
I'll continue my Twilight Zone moments...
WTF
do I have to listen to BLACK REPUBLICAN WOMEN-
Amy Holmes
Michelle Bernard
DEFEND BARACK OBAMA?
Please Explain this to me.
WHY
WHY
WHY
This just gets more bizarre by the moment. They disagree with Obama on the ISSUES, and state such, but DEFENDING Obama's candidacy and what it means, and just poking holes in Billary with a brutality that could be written here at JJP.
All the while I'm subjected to the likes of Tubbs-Jones, shinning and grinning for Hillpatine.
Obama can pull PA. I live in New York. Hillary Clinton did not and I repeat did not win the Tri-State area, she took New York and New Jersey but she didnt take Connecticut!! That was big. Obama has the ability to go to a place and create excitement and I'm packing for Philly as we speak. I'm heading out there and I'm working the city to register people to vote. Then I will be there every weekend here on out!!
If you live near by PA we need as much hands on board.
Craig, I feel you. However Obama is not done...its the media's distractions and spin thats making me frustrated and dizzy. Tune them out. Volunteer. We know know the truth and we must spread it.
As far as excuses, you seem to have many but no proof of your original aspersions against the Obama campaign. Voters are free to do and say as they please but don't try to convolute voters as equivalent to Senator Obama or his campaign.
I thought your first post was an ignorant and cheap move but I won't falsely attribute your actions and errors to the Clintons (or the McCains if that's your preference) nor their campaign because to do so would be the height of disingenuousness and flaming stupidity.
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It shouldn't be this week, but soon, I think Rev. Wright should resign from Obama's campaign. I think it's wrong and sad that he must resign, but we have all acknowledged that the same rules do apply to Obama. If Clinton has leftist, radical black clergy in the tank, it will actually give her street cred (“look at her hanging out with Rev. X. She can’t be racist”). McCain can have people like Hagee and Parsley endorse him and that only shores up his base. Obama gains nothing by keeping Rev. Wright on his campaign—but he has everything to lose.
Now I'm not saying Obama should leave his church, particularly since Rev. Wright is retiring. I'm saying he needs to remove some of the ammo that the Repugs and the Clintons are using against him. Clinton will come out in a few weeks and say she's let go of all the people who were divisive in her campaign and Obama needs to do the same. He can’t respond in kind by bringing up her radical clergy supporters because people will say he’s petty like Clinton, or that he claimed he would rise above politics as usual, and noew he’s engaging in the same behavior. Do we really need this leading up to Pennsylvania?
Obama is so close to the White House, do we want to see him lose this thing because Fixed News painted him as a black radical Muslo-christian or Clinton accuse him of not practicing what he preaches (I don’t think many of you understand how big this Ferraro thing is. There are a lot of white folks who feel that a feminist icon has been wronged. They have pinned this on Obama even though it was Ferraro’s big mouth that got her in this situation)?
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I meant to say "the same rules do not apply to Obama."
Unlike many on this page, I am not educated; however, I am not so ignorant or void of self pride that I could actually support Hillary Clinton. I also don't understand how you or any human being with character could either. My lack of support for her and support for Mr. Obama has nothing to do with race and everything to do with choosing a leader with leadership qualities. It seems to me that Clinton only desires to lead angry, middle-aged white women;low-income, uneducated white men; and, Latinos. She figured she could spare a group as small as AAs especially when she could use them to bring so many others on board. She has continually sought certain groups out as a base and tends to play on their emotions. Playing the gender card for her is laughable. Especially when she plays mind games and appeals to weak emotions in the way that a conniving man would to conquer a woman. Poor Hillary. She's sumpin like a p-i-m-p.
There is a very clear and apparent initiative to gain as many white votes as she can leading up to the Pennsylvania primary at any cost and to the detriment of many educated, intelligent, and capable African Americans. Her campaign has single-handedly started a national conversation about whether successful AAs are deserving of their status.
I won't bother debating the obvious problems with the crack cocaine/powder cocaine sentencing differences, I'll just ask you why he's apologizing. for it now.
I will tell you though that he was banking on folks with mindsets such as yours who wouldn't question the disparity. Afterall, who in their right mind would argue in defense of a criminal.
Who said otherwise?
"Welfare stereotypes, are just that stereotypes about who is on welfare, why they are there and their lives."
Umm sweetheart, African-Americans/blacks have always been disproportionally on the welfare rolls. While the numbers of whites on welfare in raw numbers is higher, there have been a disproportionate number of minorities on the welfare rolls. The reasons are numerous, however many were on the rolls because they have been lazy asses. While Marian Wright Edelman's program, The Children's Defense Fund, is a noble one, of course she was going to complain about any changes that may adversely impact children. However, having children to grow up with welfare dependent parent(s), doesn't help and hasn't helped either. It is one of the reasons why portions of our community are in the shape they are in at the present. Let's take responsibility for our role in the madness as well.
"Republican talking point just like what was done with Affirmative Action. Clinton also contributed to the demise of that also."
Oh please, self-proclaimed Creole Ward Connerly has done more to cause the demise of Affirmative Action than Bill Clinton. Clinton only sought to "mend, not end" Affirmative Action while Connerly has sought to end it altogether. He still seeks to end it. Connerly's and his cronies the ones you need to be directing your anger towards.
Resources
New York Times: Mend, Not End It
Bradley Backs Clinton On Affirmative Action
"When you reform something you should create jobs not sign NAFTA, you should make sure that there is quality childcare."
Under the first Clinton Administration, black unemployment was at record lows. The impact of NAFTA has been felt the greatest during the Bush 2 Administration. Furthermore, it is not the job of the government to pay for your child's day care. To me, that is such a typical "liberal" assertion. You had them. You take care of them. It's not the role of the government to meet all of your personal needs - especially when you are not exercising good judgment. Again, exercise better judgment instead of having children that you cannot adequately care for. Regardless of race, assume personal responsibility and stop being a burden on taxpayers. I came from a working class family. My mother grew up poor, but she went to work for a meager wage. She worked hard and eventually made a decent salary. She encouraged me and my siblings to get our education. She encouraged me and my siblings to go to college or get viable careers, and we all did. Stop acting as if the government owes you.
"Under Clinton there was a loss of 1.5 million in affordable housing if not more."
Under the first Clinton Administration, African-American home ownership rose to record highs. The highest in American history.
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"During his (Clinton) time in office, all the things that really mattered to most Americans improved --- jobs and income --- rose at all levels, crime reached record lows, homeownership reached record highs, teen pregnancy was down, educational achievement and college attendance were up. So, in black America the question is not why we love the man so much, but why you don't."
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"There is reason why welfare was created and the problems surrounding why many are so dependent still exists. We need to address it, fix it and then we can reform it. Ask Marian Edelman Wright of the Children Defense Fund who they threw under the bus."
LOL! It was addressed, fixed and reformed.
"He signed the Omnibus Crime Bill go look it up. He cut colleges out of many prisons. College is a form of rehabilitation when the colleges left, the crime in prisons rose. Thats not it, there is more but do some research, I'm not going to spoon feed you."
LOLOL! More liberal BS. The Omnibus Crime Bill was certainly not one Clinton's crowning achievements. However, one does not necessarily go to jail to be "rehabilitated". They go to jail to serve time for CRIMES they have committed. If we continuously educate our boys and girls (regardless of their social-economic position in life) about the importance of getting their education in the first place, we could minimize a lot of the adverse impact of such bills. Go to school and college - not jail to go to college.
"I cannot forgive him for dropping the ball on Rwanda in 94. I guess places like Kosovo and Ireland are more important."
We (Americans) are damned if we do, and damned if we don't. Oh please, be mad at the Rwandans. Ultimately, they were the one's that butchered each other over bullshit. For the record, some East Europeans complained that the Clinton Administration didn't respond fast enough to the slaughter that was happening there. Regardless, we cannot be the police of the world.
"I have always been skeptical of the Clintons. I was young when he was president however the minute I learned about him I knew better. I dont dislike him, hate him nothing like that but I am not putting him up on a pedestal. I surely dont owe him nor his wife."
It's your right to be skeptical, but in your skepticism try to be more objective. And while I voted for Clinton twice and Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, they have never been put on a pedestal by me. I put no man or woman on a pedestal. Humans are just that.........Human!
"Support Clinton by all means but dont come to this forum with nonsense like blacks have said racist things to the Clintons etc etc etc...you sound dumb. All blacks ever did for the last 16 years was kiss their asses and praised them like Gods. I havent heard any racial remarks or even anything negative from the majority of them until they began injecting race into this election."
Regardless, African-Americans/Blacks have been saying some hateful racist things about the Clintons. You sound not only dumb, but in major denial about this. But it's all good and I really understand. Again, the truth is the truth, and truth can sting or even hurt really bad sometimes.
With that said, I caught Morning Joe this morning and they showed excerpts from two of Rev. Wright's speeches, and quite frankly I think the MSM is making a big deal out of nothing.
Do you know how many people of all races, creeds and religions have said that our foreign policy is the catalyst behind terrorism? PLENTY.
Also, what is wrong with him saying that Hillary was never called the N word and that she's accepted because she comes from a white, priviledged background?
Of course, you can imagine what Joe and the other Howdy Doody looking white dude said about Rev. Wright. They made it look like he was Hitler, even going as far as warning parents to have their children leave the room because the clip of Wright they were about to play was soooo hateful.
But here's what was really interesting: Mica said that she questioned why this has been brought up when Obama addressed Wright's controversial sermons over a year ago. Joe's response: "Well, a lot of people, like myself, didn't think he had a chance of getting this far".
Talk about exposing yourself, huh?
I wonder who is behind the EXCERPTS?
Controversial, code word for speaking truth to power.
Joe and Tweety and all the others are going to show those clips until Obama throws Rev. Wright under the bus.
The U.S. had not been involved in WWII until the Japanese instigated its involvement. Once WWII ended in Europe, the Japanese refused to completely surrender. As a result, the US bombed the Japanese into submission in order to end the war altogether. The U.S. didn't bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki for recreation like Bush did Iraq. We (America) did it because the Japanese needed to surrender.
War is hell.
Nothing in the world is enough to convince me that killing over 20,000 people (not to mention the aftereffects of having cancer, birth defects, and psychological damage) and raping women, children and men is justified because they killed 2,112 US service men. Those people's lives weren't more valuable than the people of Japan. I refuse this argument because it's operating from a framework that does not contextualize exactly what was happening at that time in history.
So you're right they fought, but it wasn't just some attack out of no where. And if that same attack happened on American soil, and American people were killed by bombs, their cities destroyed, their bodies poisoned I doubt you'd be in such a position to say it was justified.
War is hell, but look at who that hell has been enacted against time and time again when the US is at the helm. Japan joining with the Germans was a strategic maneuver.. one that given the circumstances they felt they had to make, they were wrong to make. But what we did in Japan and have done in other countries is just as wrong and there's nothing that has remotely happened on American soil that could justify that... if that's the case then let's keep those wars going and never let them die and have everyone we've reeked military havoc on come back and reek it on us and see how you like that argument.
We should not agree with the oppression of others, just because it benefits us. (Though Japan did bounce back fairly well.. and they are certainly not victims.. but what America did was an aggressive attack against them that the aftermath of the attack doesn't at all support.)
I wonder who is behind the EXCERPTS?
Controversial, code word for speaking truth to power.
Joe and Tweety and all the others are going to show those clips until Obama throws Rev. Wright under the bus.
Fri Mar 14, 07:54:00 AM 2008
Amen.
And this needs to stop, now.
I find it very interesting and appalling, quite frankly, that you apparently think that it was okay for the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor killing thousands under the circumstance they did, but America was wrong to retaliate. Who are you, Michelle Obama? A deacon at Obama's church? Come on now.
Yes, the loss of innocent lives and the lasting effects of wars are unfortunate, but it is preposterous, I think, to condone Japanese actions, but condemn the ultimate American response to Japanese aggression. It is not logical.
Furthermore, initially I never actually "justified" the action taken by the U.S., I simply offered that there was a cause and effect as to why America "Enola Gayed" the Japanese, which Rev. Wright omitted.
While aggression can be unpleasant, sometimes it is necessary. Nonetheless as I've said, war is hell.