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kalagenesis — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:39:28 -0000

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kalagenesis — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:38:31 -0000

I agree with what the senator has said.Anyone who really lives in the community not like J Jackson who has many homes and got rich exploiting the communities pain,knows there is a problem in our community with personal responsibilities.I see first hand what teen mothers do and the thug life that is supported by the media.Jesse and people who make excuses for the bad behavior are more concerned about what White people think than solving the problem.How to solve the problem is to give young people alternatives to immoral people like Jackson who fathered a child out of wedlock at 61 years old.Look at Obama with his family that is all Black America needs at this point.

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artmaggot — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:06:09 -0000

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:06:25 -0000

i love the dialogue here. but i still say we apparently still love to hate ourselves. sheeit, i worked at a black company so i know how it can go down. i agree black fatherlessness is something we need to deal with. but i also agree as a woman, that we better start teaching our girls about choices and birth control as they are the ones holding the baby when shit gets thick. my mama taught me well and i have NO kids. unfortunately, she apparently did not talk to my brother as much. LOL
you know there are good and bad fathers as well as imperfect ones - and both my dad and brother would qualify. but there are fathers of all races who are in the home who never spend "quality time" with their kids, and there are white millionaires running around who never see or take care of their children and you never see a story on that unless they are celebs or someone (usually the shafted wife) gets killed. so why do we wear this mantle of irresponsiblity alone? and why do i never, ever see anything anywhere about the multitude of stepdads who come into play when the biologicals didn't bother?

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:53:52 -0000

you definitely have some great points coop. it's the spook who sat by the door mentality....but we just ain't for sure yet that barack has it! LOL I mean, just as you say, we know who's a brother and who ain't in our lives. black skin doesn't always mean black identification or love of black people. i think some of just would just like to be sure just exactly what's up. though personally the whole chi-town, tucc, married to a sister from the south side thing are some pretty good clues :-)

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:44:35 -0000

stats are always used against us. I had to think hard about deadbeat dads among the many men i know. they are few and far between and trust me i know some dudes who are pretty "hood." i know fathers who fought ex-wives and baby moms in court to be a part of their child's lives. i know my father and my brother are hardly perfect fathers but they aren't deadbeat dads either. so...who is this 70%? But more importantly, does that also include people who live together because they never got a divorce from a previous husband/wife? where are they getting this number from? i'm one of those never-marrieds, but i have friends who've been married multiple times. so? who's creating this stats, and who's interpreting them? yes we have issues in our community...but we also have successes and they don't get enough publicity.

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:38:08 -0000

you make some good points town....except for the michelle obama quote. if hillary clinton could change the paradigm for first lady (as well as certainly eleanor roosevelt) then i think its fair for michelle obama to support her husband publicly and stump for him. many women find her to be likable, intelligent and a great supporter and partner to her husband. i think without her, he wouldn't be enjoying the popularity in the black community that he does now. i would argue that had he married a white woman he wouldn't have gone this far, but that's a whole nother conversation.

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:37:41 -0000

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NO ID — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:34:55 -0000

now you know you just threw a whole lotta folks off with that one, belle, including me! LOL

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grapesoda — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:26:03 -0000

So your family cant hear something meant for millions of people without getting upset because it doesnt apply to them.

Sounds like your family is touchy and should calm down.

Youre at a 10, you need to be at a 2.

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ayersteach — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:44:59 -0000

PTCruiser, c'mon to my house for some ribs and chicken wings! Brother you know how to preach the truth. Four years or more (Obama's second term) from now others WILL see that as 'people of color' we came of age.

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pjamma — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:31:21 -0000

Слово!

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soothsayer — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:52:14 -0000

If those were the only choices and I had a chronic illness, I'd choose healthcare.

Without batting an eye.

But it's a false choice and something tells me you know it.

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Michelle — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:20:23 -0000

Conduct yourself accordingly and learn to live with the truth

Thank you, Teacher.

This comment (the whole thing and this part in particular) gets at another part of what is bothering me so much abuot the FISA-drama uproar.

I wonder where people come to the belief that they are default protected from and by the govt to begin with? Some might answer "The Constitution" (!! yeah!!). But from everything I have seen in my own life, this society's cultural system has at its core a built-in disconnect between words and actions/reality. So you have the ideological surface gloss of the "ideals" and then you have the actual lived reality -- and they are often not the same and sometimes even opposed.

Also, in my own actual experience: Given how I actually perceive the world, I have always and ALWAYS had to be strongly vigilant about what I say. In every situation, in every context, I am vigilant and as aware as possible of the risks ... and I work to choose my words and responses accordingly. This is part of my consciousness, a level of awareness that is always with me. Because my own vigilance is not a choice for me, I see a lack of such required vigilance as a form of privilege itself.

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Plantsmantx — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:51:21 -0000

Really, the delusional ones are the people who think they're "in a different place" because of this man's candidacy.

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ronnieb — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:46:20 -0000

I disagree with the characterization that Sen. Obama is "perpetuating the perception of blacks as lazy and irresponsible". He is the emobidment of the exact opposite, and as a young boy whose father split, he has every right to speak on the issue.

Intentional fatherlessness is a scourge in our community, and has been for the last 35 years. And if grown Black men don't speak up and out against it, the problem will never go away. To hell with making excuses; to hell with trying to pretend the issue away; to hell with celebrating and praising.

The problem of intentional fatherlessness, and its resulting consequences are too numerous and profound to chronicle here. But suffice it to say that folks have become so desensitized; so conditioned, that intentional fatherlessness itself has become "cliche".

I don't give a damn who else is doing it. That it's still occuring in our community is the problem. And it's foolish to presume that the issue should be discussed where the non-Black public can't hear. THEY ALREADY KNOW!

This is our failure and it's our problem to fix.

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soothsayer — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:05:58 -0000

Say it again.

And I love Zora Neale Hurston.

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soothsayer — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:03:52 -0000

Obama could stop perpetuating the perception of blacks as lazy and irresponsible...

Or, people could stop perceiving Obama's statements this way.

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soothsayer — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:58:28 -0000

Wow. That's a mouthful.

I can't find all that much to take issue with.

Jesse Jackson was wrong.

Wrong that Barack is talking down to anybody (Barack has a big ego, a huge intellect, and speaks his mind assertively) and wrong and reckless to suggest a Black man have his nuts cut off in a nation with a history of lynching. In the same studio where the same host called for a lynching party for Michelle Obama if tracked it down and found out she hated her country.

Jesse Jackson was wrong. And reckless. He needs to excuse himself and disappear.

With all the wag the dog BS propping up on my television screen minute after minute after minute to stoke our fear of a terrorist attack and/or an attack by Iran, it's very clear to me why Barack voted on FISA exactly the way he did.

We're still on the outside looking in. He's on the inside looking out. He know what he's up against and what's coming down the pike.

While I understand everyone's criticism (up to a point) I also understand Barack's rock-and-a-hard-place choice.

John McCain. Must. Not. Become. President.

Ralph Nader can't win. Cynthia McKinney can't win. Bob Barr can't win. A Write-in candidate can't win. Every single vote cast for one of them is a vote for John McCain. That is the raw truth of our electoral system.

Vote for whomever you want. But know the consequences.

John McCain. Must. Not. Become. President.

Barack told his staff that the country was counting on us to make sure that doesn't happen because whatever he will or won't do from this point forward, I know exactly what John McCain will do and I want no part of that hellish nightmare.

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pjamma — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:37:30 -0000

Fried Chicken for breakfast is a Southern, collage, or first apartment thing (as I've witnessed with many of my male friends). It's not healthy and growing children should not eat it for breakfast like they shouldn't eat cold pizza. It's a common sense thing. If someone doesn't realize that they need to be talked down too.

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TruthSeeker — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:19:40 -0000

I agree. Something tells me there are times Al wants to castrate Obama too, but he never lets on.

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JJai — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:12:48 -0000

don't become delusional just don't expect him not to be a politician. It's gonna happen or he may as well concede to McCain right now.

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PTCruiser — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:05:15 -0000

"We are all, including Obama, in a place we never really thought we would be, and it has knocked us off our feet. We don't know how to act. We don't have a plan. We're searching for our equilibrium. "

Jack White, who I respect, needs to speak for himself and elements of what Zora Neale Hurston in her intemperate way called the "niggerati". I'm not confused at all about Obama's candidacy and I refuse to allow it to throw me off-stride or cause me to become delusional.

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JJK — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:37:15 -0000

You know, I am a single mom who had TWO kids out of wedlock. Now that I am older and wiser I know I had "no business doing that" as my mom would say! Their dad is MIA now so I guess I qualify as people Obama was addressing and I can't be mad b/c he TOLD THE TRUTH and I do not recall him announcing "BLACKS ONLY".

PS I do NOT think Obama is God or a saint!

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pjamma — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:30:14 -0000

I read the article and it points out that there are good fathers that have multiple kids by multiple woman and do not live, from what I can tell, with all of them. Uhm, okay. Not ideal but better then nothing.

The whole BS about low-income, low-skilled black men, keeping consistent employment not being easy and the black father's ability to financially contribute is one of the biggest determinants of whether he stays in the home is, well, BS. Sorry things ain't working out for ya sir but the solution is to leave the home? As the first part of the article pointed out there is more to being a dad then the finances. And to use the excuse of "culture pressures" to bail out on family is weak. Real weak.

I won't deny that there are a lot of good fathers in non-traditional situations. And that's a good thing. But there are a lot of fathers who ignore responsibility and use the excuse that society made it this way that will never get a pass from me.