Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Monday Evening Open Thread

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

The Urban Scientist — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:42:34 -0000

thanks for the run down, the question was regarding the DonorsChoose campagn - that pale blue box just to the right of the comments here. ---> You'll notice the score card reads $0 dollars raised.

I'm curious about it, that's all. Did you notice it? I also think you give part of the answer. The focus for findraising has been campaign contributions, perhaps this other fundraiser just hasn't made it to the top of the marquee yet.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

spirit_55z — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:15:28 -0000

Hasselbeck needs to audition for Jeff Probst's next "Survivor "series titled "Reunion of the Right Wing Loosers."

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:47:17 -0000

Urban Scientist: Hey!

JJP is one of the most popular political blogs, highest ranked Black Blogs, and attracts the most impassioned readers as judged by your comments --

You have ABSOLUTELY and ACCURATELY CHARACTERIZED JJP! Thank you.

Annnnnd, I'm sure that YOU have also read the following:

1. JJP contributes MONEY to Mr. Obama BOTH HERE AND DIRECTLY.

2. JJP has spent COUNTLESS VOLUNTEER HOURS CANVASSING and CALLING.

3. JJP CAMPAIGNS in a VARIETY of WAYS: - BLOGGING, attending CONFERENCES, COMEDY EVENTS, COMMUNICATING with OTHER BLOGS, attending the DNC CONVENTION and "bringin' it " to US and all via "REAL TIME VIDEO, even communicating with "visitors", etc.

4. JJP HAS advanced itself in the BLOGGING WORLD [of all races] and this STATUS has CREDIBILITY such that "WHEN WE SPEAK - ERRYBODY LISTENS!" - EVEN IFFF they want to criticize or disagree.

5. JJP supports EDUCATION. 'cause UNLIKE McAncient/The UN-VETTED ONE WE are EDUCATED!!! The HIGH LEVEL of OUR EDUCATION is DISPLAYED in our COMMENTS - which YOU have read.

I encourage you and your efforts on behalf of Mr. Obama. Continue YOUR monetary support. Continue to inspire people to contribute to your blog.

Oh! Wait a minute. . What was YOUR question???

OBAMA-BIDEN '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:15:26 -0000

Cheri: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. It is my purpose to SHARE information for the use of others. Sooo, glad you could use such important, HISTORICAL information. It keeps me grounded. :>)

I'll listen to you show. Continued BEST WISHES! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:12:07 -0000

Miss Me: Thank you.

You know, I don't consistently watch The View, mainly because of Elisabeth. She is maddening, SMARMY/SNARKY/SARCASTIC annnnnd, can I say DUMB!

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Sepia — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:08:18 -0000

Boy, was she angry! She even had some bass in her voice. She became so loud, I had to turn the volume down.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:58:08 -0000

DNLee: Hey! :>) Thank you for you response.

To me the issue is so much money being spent on a marginal expense versus a real expense like travel or commercials or signage.

This statement appears to address JUDGMENT.

That's one of the first charges that McAncient's campaign made against Mr. Obama. They questioned his JUDGMENT!!

IMHO, this "SHOPPING SPREE" ABSOLUTELY brings into question the "JUDGMENT" of him/his campaign/the REPUGS.

IFFF there was a need to spend that money, THEN it could have been spent in SMALLER parcels. In that way, it would have, more than likely, gone un-noticed.

Even in my personal life, IFF I want to make a LARGE PURCHASE and I don't have the LARGE BENJAMINS at a single time, THEN, I pay on it in SMALL INCREMENTS. It's call JUDGMENT.

IMHO, I believe that this incident is merely another example of his lack of JUDGMENT - and not a sexist issue.

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

DNLee — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:44:10 -0000

I agree that buying her (and her family if I read right) clothes seems inappropriate. I've never heard of campaign money being used for wardrobe before.. And $150K -- that's a whole lot of money. It does sound outrageous. But not hearing it doesn't mean it has never happened. Do we know for sure that other politicians have not used campaign money for 'marginal campaign expenses' like clothes while campaigning, meals while campaigning, etc.
To me the issue is so much money being spent on a marginal expense versus a real expense like travel or commercials or signage. That's a lot of overhead for clothes. The amount of money concerns me - and it doesn't matter that those clothes will be donated or not. You can find nice clothes for say $10-15K and that wouldn't have been so shocking to me.

As one who can find a loop in most anything, I can see (superficially) how this might been seen as okay expenditure. But what do the rules say? I'll admit I don't know how it works.

And I am no fan of Palin, but as a proud feminist, this talk of her wardrobe is sexist. Same thing when everyone droned on and on about Hillary's pantsuits and whether they were feminine enough.

I've never ever heard any political talk of male candidates' wardrobe. If it was handsome enough, masculine enough, had enough buttons, how much a suit costs, etc.
Reducing female candidates to looks and appearance is sexist.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

The Urban Scientist — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:34:06 -0000

Re: Donors Choose Participation. Several other Black Bloggers are also participating, each of us trying to do our part.

JJP is one of the most popular political blogs, highest ranked Black Blogs, and attracts the most impassioned readers as judged by your comments -- why don't you think any of your readers have contributed to your Donors Choose Campaign?

I figured JJP participation would really rally some people to support and contribute to education?

Any ideas how to inspire people and get people to contribute to your projects/ our projects?

Just curious.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Miss_Me — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:22:07 -0000

I agree with the Roland Report. When I first heard that she had spent that much money on clothing, my first reaction was "So the f**k what?" There is MUCH more dirt/important issues that you could address, such as the impending indictment of Stevens, the results of the ethics investigation, and the fact that being mayor of Wasilla, AK is like being the President of the Student Government Association of a College or a Girl Scout Troop Leader (a statement which is a personal opinion/assessment based on recent and factual statements from the CURRENT Mayor of Wasilla, Dianne Keller and the City of Wasilla website)

But the fact remains that as soon as the Republican party made a big deal about it, it became a big deal. To quote Amy Poehler as Hillary Clinton with regards to the role that sexism plays in the election, it is "an issue that I am surprised to hear that people suddenly care about."

I could EASILY spend that much money on clothes and shoes in 1-2 days and look pretty damn good as a result. Now whether I did that with my own money or public money is another issue.

P.S. With regards to Mrs. Hasselbeck, It's not so much her views that bother me. It is the fact that she CONSISTENTLY fails to back up the foot that she shoves into her mouth every time she speaks. She epitomizes, to me, the right wing (and left wing) individuals who will stick their fingers in their ears and sing "La La La, I can't hear you!! La La La I'm right! You're wrong!!" when they can't make sense of their point or when they feel somehow threatened rather than have an intellectual discussion and debate. If there was one person that I could punch in the chest, it would be Elizabeth Hasselback. No really, like a Street Fighter style "Haduken," complete with slow-motion fly-back from Elizabeth.

Not that I care to watch the view (it makes me want to commit suicide and gives me explosive diarrhea), but I do hope that they balance her out with a Conservative who makes sensible, legitimate claims when they speak. I'm all for open dialogue and it is (technically) unfair when the rest of the harpies gang up on her. Though the vast majority of the time, she deserves it.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:44:57 -0000

Michelle: LOL! The UN-VETTED ONE truly gives fodder for humor!! :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Commodity Trading Accounts — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:22:46 -0000

the balance is OBAMA, i hope do their job well.

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Guest — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:10:19 -0000

She was flawless.

Michelle looked fantastic. She is a gorgeous woman inside and out and she looked wonderful.

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Cheri — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:07:57 -0000

I forgot to add that the mention of your post in the show starts about 9 minutes in. You can skip to that part if you like.

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Guest — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:07:11 -0000

Wonderful piece. I see the same things (I think we raised similar points over the last few weeks on JJP). This is beautiful.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Cheri — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:06:48 -0000

I wish it would really go down on The View! One day a couple of weeks ago Sherri got real excited and said to Elisabeth, "Oh no you don't!"

She was responding to some crazy GOP supporting statement that Elisabeth made. LOL

I thought Sherri was gonna hit her for a minute!

I also wanted to tell you that I was really inspired by the post that you shared yesterday on the Jim Crow Laws. Thanks for posting it.

I hope that you don't mind, but I talked about your post today on my show, and gave an account of my own personal experience with racism as a child.

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Michelle — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:12:49 -0000

Palin also tried to burnish her foreign policy credentials by meeting in Leesburg, Virginia, with Israel's ambassador to the United States, apologizing for the session's delay.

"We look forward to ... working with your Jewish agency," she told Ambassador Sallai Meridor just before her speech outside Washington. Israel was established in 1948 as the Jewish homeland but has a secular, elected government.

Source

Oh I suspect I know what she was really saying to the Israeli ambassador. Someone's little Christian extremist brain is showing. Let me give it a shot for translation:

"Since Israel -- aka 'The Jew Place' -- is very important to the End Times, I look forward to seeing which of you nasty big-nosed people convert to Christianity and get saved, and which of you nasty big-nosed people suffer in bloody and horrific ways because you don't. But I am saved in any case, so there. And I am certain that your Jewish agency will somehow be helpful in bringing about my bloody fantasies of Armageddon, so I am sure I will be interested in working with it. You little stinky jew man."

(Yoda says: Oy. Sarah, Sarah. Learn to barricade your mind better, you must.)

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:52:09 -0000

rikyrah: Brother Roland says someone needs ta say "SHUT UP" to Elizabeth Hasselbeck!

http://essence.typepad.com/...
Poor Elizabeth is crying sexism over Palin's campaign-bought clothes

Can someone tell Elizabeth Hasselback to sit down and shut up?

Her complaints over the weekend about the media continuing to talk about the clothes bought for Gov. Sarah Palin by the Republican National Committtee shows why celebrities should stay in their lane and not try to wade into the world of politics.

First, every time Hasselback and any other Republican mentions the clothing issue, it keeps the story alive. Bottom line: the Republican Party screwed up. They should not have paid for the clothes with campaign funds. That's why it's a story. Remember the $400 haircut by John Edwards? The only reason we know about it because the campaign paid for it. He was ripped for weeks by conservatives, yet now they want everyone to be quiet about $150,000 in expensive duds for the hockey mom from Alaska.

Talk about ridiculous.

THERE IS A VIDEO.

I'm tellin' you. It's gonna "go down" one of these days - on The View! :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:42:08 -0000

rikyrah: I had a DUPLICATE which I DELETED. SORRY.

Obama-Biden '08!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:34:17 -0000

rikyrah: Chucky T. says Hispanics Could Put Obama Over The Top!:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
Hispanics could put Obama over the top
The overlooked demographic could be the Democrat's key to western states

But as important as both constituencies have been to Obama — particularly in the primaries — it's Hispanics that could be putting him over the top on Nov. 4.

Obama's dominance among Hispanics in the West is proving to be the difference maker in Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico. In addition, the increased numbers of non-Cuban Hispanics in Florida, as well as the growing Hispanic population in North Carolina and Virginia, could be the tipping voting group in those three states.

SKIP

There's no easy solution for Republicans. Wooing Hispanics is going to start with simply looking less scornful of immigrants. McCain never acted or looked scornfully at illegal immigrants, but the perception among Hispanics is that his party has.

Mario ["Dancing With The Stars"] Lopez has held interviews with Mr. Obama. Feels like he is SUPPORTING him and encouraging Hispanics to do so, also! :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:14:25 -0000

rikyrah: Soo, I went "Field Trippin'" to MUDFLATS:

http://mudflats.wordpress.c...
Republican Speak On The Stevens Conviction

Actually, they made the SAME platitudinous statements! So I didn't choose to post them.

BUT, look what the "MUDFLAT" Editor said:

You heard it here, kids. The Alaskan Republican Party has just reaffirmed their endorsement of, and told you to vote for A CONVICTED FELON! You show ‘em Alaska Republicans! Hold your head high, walk in to the voting booth with the blessing of your political party, fill in that little oval, and vote with impunity for A CONVICTED FELON! Drive home with a satisfied smile, kiss your spouse, and say, “What did you do today, Honey? I voted for A CONVICTED FELON!“ Proudly call your friends and relatives out of state, and tell them how you, and all your buddies in the Republican party, puffed out your chests, and proudly hitched your wagon to the star of an 84-year old CONVICTED FELON! Maybe you should call your local party headquarters and suggest a fundraiser…you could do t-shirts, and hats that say, “I VOTED FOR A CONVICTED FELON!”

Then, put your feet up, and watch the national news, and watch a couple political talk shows, and wonder to yourself, “How did Alaska become a laughing stock?”

Just love me some MUDFLATS! :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 04:01:13 -0000

rikyrah: Ambassador Holbrooke SUPPORTS Mr. Obama!:

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...
Why The Nation And The World NEED Barack Obama

For me, the choice is quite simple -- and not simply because I am, by temperament and history, a Democrat. The long and intense political campaign has revealed huge differences in positions, style, and personal qualities of the two candidates. And the conclusion seems clear.

JUDGMENT. John McCain has shown throughout his career a penchant for risk-taking; in his memoirs, he proudly calls himself a gambler. His selection of Sarah Palin, a charismatic but spectacularly unqualified candidate, as his running mate, is just the most glaring of many examples of the real McCain. His bravery in combat attests to his patriotism, courage and toughness, but his judgment has been found sorely lacking time and time again over his career.

Barack Obama is tough too, but in a different way. No one should underestimate how difficult it was to travel his road, against incredible odds, to the edge of the presidency. But where McCain is impulsive and emotional, Obama is low-key and unemotional. He makes his judgments in a calm and methodical manner; McCain's impulsiveness is anathema to Obama, and rightly so; one cannot play craps with history. Having seen so many political leaders falter under pressure, I prize this ability above most others. And Barack Obama has it.

SKIP

THE FINANCIAL CRISIS. Advantage to Obama.

FOREIGN POLICY.On Russia since its invasion of Georgia, Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden (who was the first member of Congress to visit Georgia after the invasion), stress helping Georgia rebuild its economy and maintain its independence in the face of a continuing Russian campaign against it. McCain, on the other hand, wants to punish Russia by such actions as expelling them from the Group of 8. Such measures may ultimately be necessary, but they do not help Georgia survive as an independent democracy.

LEADERSHIP.And here again, the contrasting styles of the two men offer a clear choice between a calm and confident man and a highly emotional one, between a major change in the nation's direction and a minor one, between a combative style and a more conciliatory one. Finally, in a year when the Democrats are certain to increase their majority in both Houses, an Obama victory would offer the Democrats control of both the legislative and executive branches for the first time since 1994, and with it the possibility of legislative achievement after years of stalemate. After so many years of polarization at home and unilateralism abroad, the choice for president seems clear.

Richard Holbrooke is a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and the chief architect of the 1995 Dayton Peace Agreement that ended the war in Bosnia.

I believ' that he's just sayin'. . . . . MR. OBAMA IS the CLEAR CHOICE for the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!

YES WE CAN!!! :>) :>)

Obama-Biden '08!!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Michelle — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:48:28 -0000

Everybody feels it, many are afraid to speak it.

Barack Obama is a being who is doing what he is made to do, the way it needs to be done, in this specific time and place. Not only that, but the collective entity he is part of is now actively choosing to allow him to function for what he is made to do.

There are resources available for this kind of thing. There are contexts where these resources are normal and unremarkable because pretty much everything functions together as it is made to. But not here. I had given up that these resources would be able to be available here. I was wrong. Glad to be so.

(I don't know if this, how I perceive it, is related somehow to what people are calling God -- but it might be.)

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:38:29 -0000

rikyrah: Here's a JUDGE with a FAUX-moral compass:

http://blackpoliticsonthewe...
Ex-Pa. Supreme Court justice: Sorry for anti-Obama Jewish e-mail

A former Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice apologized Monday for signing an e-mail to Jewish voters that likened a vote for Barack Obama to ignoring warning signals that led to the Holocaust.

Sandra Schultz Newman said she regrets that she did not review the final draft more carefully before it was released.

“Some of the language was inappropriate and intemperate,” Newman wrote in an e-mail statement Monday. “I apologize to anyone who was offended by this misguided e-mail.”

The e-mail sent Thursday to 75,000 Jewish voters in Pennsylvania warns “Fellow Jewish Voters” of the danger of a second Holocaust due to the threats to Israel from its neighbors. It also praises Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s qualifications over those of Obama, the Democratic nominee.

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A copy of the e-mail provided by Democratic officials says it was “Paid for by the Republican Federal Committee of PA - Victory 2008.” The signatures of Schultz and two other McCain supporters were on the message.

Newman also has been involved in the state Republican Party’s civil lawsuit against the community-activist group ACORN and Secretary of State Pedro Cortes, the state’s top election official.

THERE IS MORE

Now let's look at this. 1. A JUDGE who DOESN'T REVIEW/SCRUTINIZE PAPERWORK that she signs!! WHAT!! HOW CAN SHE JUDGE WITHOUT THE RIGHT DATA??

2. SHE is involved in the Repug's lawsuit AGAINST ACORN!! What a Coinky-dink!!

Judge Neuman: YOUR FAUX-pology is meaningless!! YOU KNEW what you were doing! It didn't work! You got CAUGHT and USED! How much did YOU GET PAID for this? YOU are a DISGRACE to the profession!!!

Obama-Biden '08!! TRUST

Re: Monday Evening Open Thread

Justice58 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:32:06 -0000

No more will it be ok to support just any black person who puts him or herself forward, even when he or she sucks. Obama has changed all that.

Say it, Truthseeker! Yes he did. He has taught us the meaning of high standards. We're not settling for anything less!