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Re: Monday Open Thread

kenyaw — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:15:44 -0000

I agree on the white background...

Re: Monday Open Thread

kenyaw — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:14:29 -0000

Craig,
I thought that was silly as well. I don't want to hear of another reject or denounce from the Obama campaign. I really don't.
It is dissapointing to see this simple media, that is dumbing down most Americans. It is sad that Gen Clark in making a simple reasonable statement is being used to make HEADLINE news.

Re: Monday Open Thread

taritac — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:04:11 -0000

Also, has anyone heard about this? Three states have anti-affirmative action measures on ballots: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/30/affirmati...

Re: Monday Open Thread

EarthTone — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:53:54 -0000

We will have to agree to disagree. The comment that the Democratic Party has been duping and using "black folks" is debatable.

Meanwhile, the existence of the GOP Southern Strategy to appeal to white racist ex-Dixiecrats is a fact that was acknowledged by no less than Ken Mehlman - see http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/washington/18...

I am familiar with the NBRA. The cling a lot to the black Republican past, which is understandable, because they seem to have little going for them in the present...

It is all well and good for them to attack Obama, but I would think they want to be known for more than just being the GOP's black hatchet men. (One ad states "Obama is an arrogant elitist who turned his back on poor blacks and his own country." Yes, that is hatchet-ry.)

But then, my thinking on what black Republicans want to be known for could be wrong. Perhaps in the end, these ads are pretty much what they're about, no more, no less.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Karmi — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:06:08 -0000

The Democratic Party has been duping and using "black folks" for decades now, and they need to really look at the issues. The NBRA ads are presenting the facts, and facts harm no one...well, other than the Democratic Party, perhaps.

Re: Monday Open Thread

EarthTone — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:51:20 -0000

How can the ads hurt them more?

Well, right now, many black folks think of black Republicans as being "wrong" on the issues.

These attack ads present black Republicans as not just "wrong" but "bad." They're now going beyond having unwelcome positions, to now using unwelcome campaign tactics.

I think that could generate more ill will against the black GOP, especially for the part of the black electorate that is becoming sensitized to the attacks on Barack and also Michelle Obama.

Re: Monday Open Thread

taritac — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:49:34 -0000

Site looks great. Congratulations!!

Obama is not getting any money from me this month-- Father's Day, FISA, denouncing and rejecting Clark, liking the handgun decision, wanting to expand the death penalty to include child rape, have all been giant disappointments to me. I know the conventional wisdom says that Democrats have to run to the center, but every time we do that we lose.

He put himself in this position of having to please his most ardent supporters, many of whom are liberal, in order to get campaign dollars. When he disappoints us, we don't give. I have a feeling his June numbers are going to be way down.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Town — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:11:13 -0000

lol,aw come on, he could have had ONE black guy working in the factory.

Re: Monday Open Thread

pjamma — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:50:24 -0000

Love the new site! Congrats on the move

Re: Monday Open Thread

Karmi — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:41:53 -0000

I know...I know, "Field Negroes" are in the majority, and consider Black Republicans to be "House Negroes". How can the ads hurt them any more?

Re: Monday Open Thread

EarthTone — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:56:22 -0000

These attacks on Obama will have minimal effect, if any, in the black community. In fact, they could backfire on blacks in the GOP.

Black Republicans already have a bad image in the minds of black voters; consider this.

I think a lot of black voters will come to think that black Republicans are doing the GOP's "dirty work" by running these negative attack ads. This will not help black Republicans' reputation among African Americans, but rather, damage it.

Re: Monday Open Thread

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:53:08 -0000

Of course you have. Because John McCain is targeting non-white people and Barack is targeting non-black people.

There's an election that needs to be won.

Re: Monday Open Thread

EarthTone — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:38:49 -0000

This is cute: separated at birth with Obama and Tim Russ

Re: Monday Open Thread

Town — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:37:27 -0000

Sadly, I'm not. The one person who looked like they "might" be a person of color was seen during the part where he was talking about moving the people off the welfare rolls. I realize he has to appeal to the "mainstream" but I've seen more black people in a John McCain ad.

Re: Monday Open Thread

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:34:44 -0000

You're kidding, right?

Re: Monday Open Thread

Town — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:20:29 -0000

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-...

Um, where the black people at?

Re: Monday Open Thread

Karmi — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:02:44 -0000

Didn’t look or sound like an “attack” to me. Ads offered the facts. HuffPo didn’t link to the NBRA though, and only showed a few of the ads. One link has six more ads. HuffPo shows the one with three ads.

National Black Republican Association

Look for the “Radio Ads” section, about a ¼ of the way down.

NBRA Martin Luther King Was A Republican (six ads)

Re: Monday Open Thread

akonuche — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:45:30 -0000

How pathetic. Self-hate is a terrible thing.

I've got a video for you. If anyone tells you that racism hasn't been in the coverage of Obama's run, have them take a look at this. I'm sure many here will agree with Harriet "Christian" that 99% of us black folk are all backing Obama solely because he is black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti19VwLzkY

Pass it on so more people can be aware of this bullshit.

Re: Monday Open Thread

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:39:01 -0000

That's disgusting and not at all surprising. I'm sure there will be a main post shortly by one of our illustrious contributing editors on this.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Akonuche — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:23:13 -0000

Can I just say how much this site rocks? I love the new look!

Okay...enough of that from me now.

Re: Monday Open Thread

lexusoakland — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:17:16 -0000

Look who the latest racially inflammatory ads come from...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/black-...

Re: Monday Open Thread

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:51:34 -0000

Reposted from the patriotism speech post..

While I do think that Clark's point about McCain not having any real EXECUTIVE military experience was valid, I think that he went to far in the soundbyte department. That "..getting shot down" line compeletely overtook his point about mccain's experience and Obama had to distance himself.

What's sad is this whole stupid thing about Clark completely overshadwoed what I think was a great speech by Obama today. Many on the netroots are too busy "dissing" Obama to realize what a great speech it was. If not for this whole Clark/McCain hoopla, the speech would have been more well receieved on it's own merits. Now it will only be analyzed based on its inference to "POW -gate"

Re: Monday Open Thread

heartsandflowers — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:42:52 -0000

Like the new site and the way we can reply directly. Can you get rid of the white background though?

Re: Monday Open Thread

Karmi — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:39:50 -0000

Sheesh! A "homosexual filter"?!

Re: Monday Open Thread

Karmi — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:35:53 -0000

Love the edit button...the entire new site, in fact.