Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Monday Open Thread

Re: Monday Open Thread

Guest — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:32:17 -0000

Sometimes, I look at Bush on the tv, and I feel kind of bad for him. He always seems over his head and i genuinely feel for the man. Call me crazy, but I don't think he had any idea of the magnitude of the role. Maybe Papa Bush made it look easy.

Re: Monday Open Thread

MonieTalks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:33:49 -0000

You are so right...you don't need military experience to understand war, peace, and diplomacy.

But an individual must understand cultures and the way people live, and how they arrive at their beliefs. To me, Bush never had a grasp of the world, political and cultural implications of how other nations live.

And that is why he carried out neo-con principles and agendas...since that is what he surrounded himself with. He never had a plan B because he didn't even understand plan A.

That is why he prematurely declared "Mission Accomplished" when in actuality the ramification for invading Iraq was starting to unfold in a way he did not plan for. And the incompetence showed.

Re: Monday Open Thread

spirit_55z — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:58:22 -0000

nickwah22, sure you right. I don't have military experience and am a political novice, butfor me, it starts with good common sense and knowing what's right, fair and what morally benefits the good of the whole.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Guest — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:43:49 -0000

Monie, I wouldn't even just say African nations aren't valued. I agree with what you said above, we, the United States, usually intervene when there is an opportunity for us to gain something from the situation. Not only that, but we also know how to press countries when we aren't getting what we want.

I may not have military experience BUT you don't have to serve to have a valid opinion or point about it. There are enough books and plenty of research that'll let people know why we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and why we are posted up in other places.

But anyway, I am agreeing with you. :)

Re: Monday Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:20:04 -0000

Justice58: Now I cain't get that song out of my head! :>) :>)

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99 Percent Sure — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:13:05 -0000

You've given me some encouragement, CPL, and I thank you and everyone else for it. There is, after all, the confirmation hearings to be had before she actually takes the post.

Interestingly, she said "If I'm confirmed." I'm not reading too much into that statement, but I found it interesting that she said that. True, he'll be her boss, but we all know that the Clintons have a mind of their own. Larry King just asked during his opening 'Whose foreign policy will she be promoting? Hers, Obama's or theirs?" That's what I'm talking about. It's all well and good for her to be under the authority of Obama but . . .

Thanks again all of you, including your post, Micheline. I'm still not sold on the nomination but it ain't my call obviously. I just think she would have been much better - and more palatable - as Secretary of Defense. But, as I said, it ain't my call and I ain't got no say in who he chooses.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Miranda — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:10:11 -0000

They've actually been degrading women for years....if you look at the past calendars, they go back some years with this "foolishness in the name of art".....

Re: Monday Open Thread

Justice58 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:59:13 -0000

Heeheeheehee

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Justice58 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:43:37 -0000

Just sickening! What disgusting mofos!

Re: Monday Open Thread

rikyrah — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:10:16 -0000

Vogue will have to match Essence w/regards to Michelle.

Re: Monday Open Thread

rikyrah — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:08:11 -0000

EVENING THREAD IS UP

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lamh31 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:00:28 -0000

Those covers look great. When will they be on the shelves?

Has anyone seen the Ebony covers yet? They are the ones who got the 1st print interview post-election by the Obamas. I wanna know when they will be out.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Admiral_Komack — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:58:31 -0000

"But, as someone wiser than me pointed out on this board (Admiral Komack), Hillary now works for Obama. He's her BOSS. And if she puts a foot wrong, he has the authority to fire her ass, and maybe that's more appealing to Obama (having Hillary under his thumb and having to say "Yassir, Boss!") than allowing her ass in the Senate."

-Thank you for the compliment.
There are wiser persons on this board than I.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Admiral_Komack — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:39:19 -0000

I trust Barack Obama.
I do not trust Hillary or Bill Clinton.
If Hillary does well as SofS, she'll rehabilitate her image and Obama wins kudos for picking her.
But, if Hillary fucks up and tries to use the position of SofS to thwart the Obama Administration, Obama will sadly ask for Hillary's resignation...and get it.

Re: Monday Open Thread

evita — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:51:36 -0000

OMG Michelle's hair is FIERCE.

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MonieTalks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:56:15 -0000

Over at Essence dot com, they have the Michelle and Barack Obama separate covers posted for the Jan. 09 issues.

Barack is fine, of course

but Michelle is soooooooo gorgeous and simply stunning.

http://www.essence.com

For a larger snapshot of the cover photos, you can also check out http://theybf.com

Re: Monday Open Thread

Coby W. Dillard — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:49:41 -0000

No, but I'm slowly recognizing the futility of trying to convince anyone/argue the things the military has done right, or try to explain why things are done the way they are. Few here will get it (you excepted) and others won't care.

I'll provide comment, but it probably won't go further than that.

Re: Monday Open Thread

spirit_55z — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:12:28 -0000

islandgirl550, I'd like to give my perspective on your questions:

Why is it, do you think that they still don't know us? I have a understanding of a lot of different groups in this country. It really isn't that hard to learn about another's culture. What is it about blacks that some relegate as insignificant?

I think it's important to understand ourselves and our culture first and foremost. Whites for the most part, don't feel a need or desire to learn about us unless it's suits their whim or purpose, and frankly I don't hold my breath waitng for them to do so. Why should they seek to know another's culture when they think theirs is one of privilege and entitlement? And as we've learned from Sarah Palin, some of these folk don't have a natural curiosity to learn anythnig outside of their neck of the woods!

We as a people had to assimilate to varying degrees in order to survive. When I was younger, we didn't get African /Black history in our schools. All we got was, "This is the continent Africa , and slaves came from Africa." Honestly, This is all that we had in our history books; with pictures of animals and half naked natives!

We learned from our parents and grand parents, uncles & aunties; through oral history, college, travel, the arts, and through our curiosity about life.

We're living in the information age now so there's no excuse for any of us not to know where we came from and who we are as a people. So we learn to embrace who we are, our culture, to nuture and honor it. Love each other, take care of our families, friends, our communities. Because if we don't do it, no one else is.

And don't think for one moment that some white folk don't understand us at all. Some know us better than we do ourselves. They study us, mimic us, and dilute our brilliance and talent; from art to music, to dance, to dress, our looks,....neeed I go on? and claim it as their own. So, we claim need to claim it in all it's splendor and glory.

THERE'S NOTHING INSIGNIFICANT ABOUT BLACKS. They wouldn't have tried to beat us down by raping our women, lynching our men and simultaneously pillaging our culture if we were insignificant!

Re: Monday Open Thread

MonieTalks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:02:09 -0000

Over on Huffington Post, they have a quote from Rush Limbaugh on Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton as SoS:

He(Limbaugh) calls it "a brilliant stroke" by President-elect Barack Obama, who opposed Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

Limbaugh weighs in on the new administration as one of Barbara Walters' "10 Most Fascinating People of 2008," which airs Thursday on ABC.

Says Limbaugh: "You know the old phrase, 'You keep your friends close and your enemies closer?' How can she run for president in 2012? She'd have to run against the incumbent and be critical of him _ the one who made her secretary of state."

Re: Monday Open Thread

evita — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:39:19 -0000

Barack Obama will appear on Meet The Press THIS Sunday.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

Re: Monday Open Thread

spirit_55z — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:26:08 -0000

Dang, RonnieB, I hear the stomping of elephants and see hunters with binouclars!

Re: Monday Open Thread

GreenLadyHere13 — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:04:39 -0000

rikyrah: But, I do know this much...she's out of the Senate.

Co-Sign!! This way, she will have LESS of a chance to garner a "power base!" IMHO :>)

Re: Monday Open Thread

rorysmomma — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:50:53 -0000

Denise, so true, so true, so true.

Re: Monday Open Thread

MonieTalks — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:41:16 -0000

So I take it that you agree that Bush/Republican policies are actually "nation building" endeavors....and quite frankly, the reason for US involvement whether militarily or monetarily has ALL to do with resources, ie for oil and gas.

The lives of those from African nations are just not valued.

Re: Monday Open Thread

Sepia — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:36:08 -0000

WTH! That is some sick shyte! There's nothing beautiful or artistic about that at all.