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Jack and Jill Politics: Monday Open Thread - Hello, Everyone!

  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Guess who's going to be a New Alpha Kappa Alpha?

    Michelle Obama

    She accepted their invitation. Will happen sometime this week during the Centennial Celebration of Alpha Kappa Alpha in Washington, DC.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rikyrah: YAAAAAAA! My "pink & green " sister! Thanks.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    I do wonder if this will finally get Michelle Obama a mention at my guilty pleasure site- The Black Socialite?

    Just wondering.

    LOL
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    You wonder why McCain gets so much good coverage?
    Monday, July 14, 2008
    AP's star reporter to Karl Rove in April 2004: Keep up the fight.
    Joe Sudbay (DC) · 7/14/2008 08:21:00 PM ET · Link
    4 Comments · reddit · FARK · Digg It! ·


    The donuts are starting to make more sense.

    Last month, at the Associated Press meeting with the presidential candidates, Obama was referred to as "Osama" -- McCain got a box of donuts from Liz Sidoti and her boss, Ron Fournier. They got the right kind: "Dunkin Donuts with sprinkles." And, McCain got coffee "with a little cream and a little sugar" the way he likes it, too. Sidoti explained that she and Fournier used to spend a lot of time on the bus with McCain. Jed has the the video.

    It was a bizarre, but telling exchange.

    Sidoti's boss, Ron Fournier, AP's Washington bureau chief, is profiled at Politico today on the new "style" he's bringing to AP.

    Fournier was also involved in another bizarre, yet telling exchange back in April of 2004 -- right after Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan.

    TPM Muckraker revealed that Fournier and Karl Rove were email pals. Oh, sure, Rove emailed with a lot of reporters. But, how many reporters wrote to Rove "Keep up the fight." This e-mail was dated April 23, 2004 -- right smack in the middle of the presidential campaign.

    The Associated Press: In 2004, "Keep up the fight." In 2008, "Dunkin Donuts with sprinkles."
    http://www.americablog.com/
  • Booky · 1 year ago
    Last CNN snark for the day, promise. A CNN femal talking head is gushing over Cindy McSame. Did you know she is a pilot and owns her plane? So, Michelle Obama is protrayed as an Angela Davis Afro wearing , dapping, revolutionary while fair Cindy is protrayed as the all American billionaire wife and mother. Now isn't that special?
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Right, I was just watching that. Did you know she also stole pills? How charming. I wonder if the story hadn't come out, would she have let someone else take the fall.

    Recently, Cindy has changed her demeanour slightly. Probably in response to Michelle's rave reviews after "The View" appearance. I sense a degree of snide competitiveness in Cindy...no way can she let a black woman beat her.
  • Booky · 1 year ago
    Draft people like D. and Karmi first. Let them surge to stay the course in Iraq for 100 years for Bush and McSame.

    People like D. and Karmi love all war all the time with other peoples' kids, unless their kids are gay then they don't have the right to fight and die for their country.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    ..As I'm watching an interrogation tape of a 15 year old at Guantanamo, D. attempts to pull rank on me, saying he is more qualified to comment on unjust wars because he's lost friends in said war.

    Friendship with D. has it's benefits.
  • ybpguide · 1 year ago
    OT: My son was born about 10 hours ago! Yay fatherhood!
  • Tish · 1 year ago
    Congrats!
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    Congratulations!!!!
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Congratulations! :) Enjoy EVERY moment.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    congrats and enjoy the blessing!
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Congratulations and good luck.
  • RonnieB · 1 year ago
    Congrats!
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Congratulations.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Sorry about the error.......

    Obama: My Plan For Iraq
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    That is a good op-ed.
    Obama's Common Sense Iraq Policy
    http://www.theseminal.com/2008/07/14/obamas-com...
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
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  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    My man Larry King is gonna have him on his show live tomorrow to discuss his Iraq plan.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    <a href: "http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html?hp=&pagewanted=print"Obama: My Plan For Iraq
  • Brown Man · 1 year ago
    Had to do something for the Mac Man. Inviting Bernie to entertain at a high dollar fundraiser for a mixed crowd is like making Michael Jackson a Boy Scout troop leader - you just don't do that.

    Bernie Mac: Hypothetically Speaking
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    ROFLOL. That's what I'm talking about, Brown Man. I didn't like Obama's acting all brand new about Bernie Mac's stand-up, when he knew all the time how Mac rolls.
  • Texas_Girl_in_LA · 1 year ago
    Come on,

    Mac had a family show on tv that lasted for a while. He knows how to make it family friendly and when to let loose...
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    The difference between dogs & cats
    Excerpts from a Dog's Diary

    * 8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing!
    * 9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing!
    * 9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing!
    * 10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing!
    * 12:00 pm - Lunch! My favorite thing!
    * 1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing!
    * 3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing!!
    * 5:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing!
    * 7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing!
    * 8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing!
    * 11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing!

    Excerpts from a Cat's Diary


    Day 983 of my captivity.

    My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

    They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength. The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape.

    In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet.

    Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates what I am capable of. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a "good little hunter" I am. Bastards!

    There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of "allergies." I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage.

    Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow --but at the top of the stairs.

    I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches.

    The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released - and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded.

    The bird has got to be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now . . .
  • Elephants&Flowers · 1 year ago
    Thank you for the giggle. Needed it after seeing the New Yorker cover and reading the 200+ comments.
  • Acts Of Faith Blog · 1 year ago
    HaHa!! Now this is an example of satire.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Cats get such a bad rap ;) I love the snarky critters.
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    simba has been at the computer again i see. i can tell my cat wrote this.....well, at least he had the good taste to post in on jack and jill politics.
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    Can you hear me now? Obama's missing 2 percent
    By failing to survey cellphone-only voters, pollsters could be undercounting Barack Obama's support by millions of voters.
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/14...
  • Jay · 1 year ago
    Grow a pair, Obama

    Another reason to hate Michelle "man I wish I were a white - I hate myself for being asian" Malkin
  • Town · 1 year ago
    Another one to add in the "Barack has no balls" meme.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Jay: Read it! The "comments" were brutal too. Michelle "man . . . " Malkin STILL doesn't get "it!" On the other hand - she does! Being a FAUX SPEWS "h*" has brought in the $$$$ for her.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I can't figure out why everyone is so preoccupied with Obama's scrotum. ....How many balls he has.....who has more....whether they need cutting off.....does he need to grow some...

    In a perfect world, Carville and Jackson would be sentenced to chisel Obama's balls into Mount Rushmore with inadequate tools.

    They need to get a fun hobby.
  • Booky · 1 year ago
    Racism being promoted by the media for the right wing racist. It's not just The New Yorker.

    http://halfricanrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/06...
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    Obama Campaign Manager Airs Cash Woes In Video

    Barack Obama's campaign is known for its fundraising success. But today, campaign manager David Plouffe sends out a message to supporters warning of Republican dominance:

    The McCain campaign is bragging that they are out-raising and out-spending us.

    By collecting huge checks from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs, they raised more money than ever before in June. Combined with the Republican National Committee, they now have more than $95 million in cash on hand.

    I recorded a short video in my office about what we are up against. Now is the time to step up and make your first donation to help us close the gap.

    Please watch the video and make a donation of $25 now.


    The RNC has been quietly gathering funds at private events. The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, was broke by the end of last year and still lags far behind.

    Watch the video here.
    https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/...
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    Saw it. Is the reason that Barack hasn’t released his June fundraising numbers yet because his money machine had finally broken down? He was expecting something like $100-mil for June, not so long ago.
  • taritac · 1 year ago
    I won't be giving again until September. Barack and I need some distance.
  • womanistmusings · 1 year ago
    Today I decided to blog about Erykah Badu and the flack she is catching by having a third child by a different father. People are quick to jump on Erykah and call her a whore, and a slut yet there is no mention of men like P Diddy with his multiple children, by multiple women.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    ..pregnancy and child baring is meant to enslave a woman.

    You're right about that. Why do you think marriage is called wedLOCK?

    To make it difficult and humiliating for women to get birth control...as in when "faith based" pharmacies refuse to sell it, or "faith based" doctors refuse to counsel unmarried women on birth control. Society is engineered to make child bearing without attachment to a man difficult and a punishment to discourage women from being autonomous and leaving relationships that are abusive.

    WedLOCK!

    May it die a horrible death....unless both parties agree they want to be locked.
  • T. · 1 year ago
    yeah...and what about Christie brinkley with her 4 marraiges, and 3 children by 3 different men. Oh well, I guess she doesn't count, right?

    T.
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    no she doesn't...becuase she was married. the issue was not that erykah has three kids but that she never married any of their fathers. i'm not making a judgment, just explaining the furor about it.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I think the deeper point here is that in addition to her 4 marriages, Christie had 4 DIVORCES! There is little difference between the two women besides the marriages...and divorces.
  • Brown Man · 1 year ago
    The New Yorker has me on a slow boil today.

    Hit The "SEND" Button One More Time
  • womanistmusings · 1 year ago
    It is not only the racist cartoon the New Yorker that is upsetting it is the response of the so called white liberal allies. They employ the language of racism to both defend and decry this image and then they wonder why POC are pissed off.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    That was an excellent parallel you drew between this cover and the DailyKos pic of Michelle Obama!
  • Angela1 · 1 year ago
    Haven't time to stay glued to the television, but, twice today I noticed MSNBC has had two people at a time talk about Barack and questioning his beliefs/positions etc. One lady just told Contessa Brewer Barack is making it up as he goes along. Usually MSNBC has had a republican strategist and a democratic strategist debate pros and cons. What is with them double teaming on Barack....and not once question the numerous McCain flipflops? I'll write them, but, wanted to post this to see if anyone else is noticing the bias.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    you need to check the snakes post. don't assume that just because they have a 'Democratic Strategist' under their name, that they are FOR Obama.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rikyrah: True dat!
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    I know that's right!

    A guy was just on with Andrea "Lizard Woman" Mitchell who's a "Democratic Strategist", and he said that the O campaign should both ignore it and address it. WTH do that mean???
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    It means he's got to split himself off into 2 separate personalities, occupying two parallel universes. Then he has to appear in one universe and address the issue while his other personality ignores it in the other universe. Easy, I do it all the time, don't you?
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I almost thought you were talking about what Barack's got to do as the son of a black African and a white Kansan.

    Maybe you were.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    That's what I thought too, craig.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Hmm...you could look at it that way. Brilliant!

    I am merely a vessel for the amusement of the gods.
    ;)
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    TruthSpeaker.
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    hahah, it's called double consciousness....and most of us do do it all the time, we're so used to doing it....we don't even think about it....
    we wear the masks right?
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Angela1: YEP. When I watch these programs, I'm always saying - "Where's the Black folks" or AT LEAST someone to speak on Mr. Obama's behalf. And MANY times "they" just couldn't wake somebody up, tell them to get dressed, and come to the station to speak on his behalf! Funny how that works! NOT!!!!!
  • Booky · 1 year ago
    Right Wing Media Spin, UNfair and UNbalanced
    The Obama Spin for the Day and probably month because they have nothing else is that Obama said one thing before he was the presumtive nominee and anothing thing after securing the nomination. It's either that or "we don't know the "real Obama" or "we don't know what he stands for". It's the media we have instead of the media we wish we had. The American people aren't stupid. We aren't going to fall for the Media okey doke, you know the same okey doke that gave us George War Bush and war in Iraq. The best way to beat the media is to stop watching. Step away from 24 hour cable news. It is not our friend. None of them.
    Annoy the media elect Obama.
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  • RonnieB · 1 year ago
    A candidate tailoring his or her post-primary message to include a wider appeal to moderates is, as far as I know, time-honored. Why is there such an issue of trust now that Obama is doing the same thing?

    It kills me how people pat themselves on the back for discovering how transcendant Barack is ... and in their next breath, are questioning his very character when he makes good on his promise to be transcendant.

    But overcoming double standards is nothing new for Barack (or those who truly support him).
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    You're on fire today.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    From Al Giordano:

    Spoiler Alert
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Perot's presence in that contest - and not, as the mythology suggests, any particular talent of Democrat Bill Clinton - is what delivered the 1992 election to the Democrats. Clinton won with just 43 percent of the national vote.

    Ah..truth, like a cool, fragrant breeze on a hot day! So, Bill Clinton the asshole - as seen in this primary - is not really the charming, talented politician they say he is. Really, what is so charming about sticking your penis into a young woman's mouth in the oval office? It strikes me as rather coarse and boorish. There's something crude and primitive about administering a state prison blood program that takes blood from visibly sick prisoners, stores it in broken down refrigeration then selling it to countries for blood products. There's an obsenity to the number of people who died in Rwanda, those who died from the tainted prison blood, and the young woman subjected to a closeup of Bill's pale, cellulitic thighs(very unusual in a male).

    Bill clinton, the walking engorged penis....throbbing, angry and red faced with a head of white, white hair...his corona of semen.

    Bill has transcended the restrictive bounds of genetics, a genetic mutant...becoming asshole and phallus in one.
  • womanistmusings · 1 year ago
    You're right about that. Why do you think marriage is called wedLOCK?
    Isn't that the truth...it is also very racially done. Someone on my blog just pointed out how excited the world is about ANgelina and Brads baby and yet there is no wedding ring between them. It seems how and who we police has a lot to do with what value we place on certain bodies.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Obama Ramps Up Operation in Iowa

    having problem with the link. article is at OpenLeft
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  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Interesting.
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  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Thanks for posting this rikyrah!

    This article is an eye opener. It tells me that Jesse is pissed because the faith-based initiatives program Obama supports will hold the recipients accountable, and that works against Jesse's money making hustle.
  • isonprize · 1 year ago
    And, Jackson is definitely a hustler from WAY back. Every protest, every march, every boycott had a benefit for Jesse or a family member.

    You can bet the house on that one... (well, as foreclosures are happening, maybe you don't want to bet the house...)

    Jealousy is a mutha... Just ask Phila Mayor, Michael Nutter...
    Or how about Harold Ford, as some of ya'll have taken to calling him, the Dark Sith...
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    "This morning, an Obama represenative (either a volunteer or a paid telemarketer) called me to ask for a donation. The person was very nice, and mentioned that they were local to me and emphasized that Obama's campaign was the most diverse campaign in American history. The caller was African-American, and it's possible that the messaging of diversity and the caller's identity was a strategy to communicate with white liberals, who like that sort of thing."

    Birth of a nation or progressive nation? Is there a difference?

    http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid...
  • lamh · 1 year ago
    How I feel about the New Yorker cover

    I would bet that the marjoirty of the people who "don't" think this is a big deal or not african american or muslim american.

    I don't blame the artist, it's the editors of the new yorker who decided to run with this caricature. But I can't say that I'm surprised. The New Yorker mag subscribers are the mainly white liberals, who may see the satrie in this, but I would bet if the New yorker had a larger number of african american subscribers, then they would have thought twice about putting this image on the cover.

    The sad thing is that being an African-American myself the idea that we are supposed to not be upset "because it's satire" is bullshit!! If this image was on the cover of "the national review" or on the front page of some right wing hate site, then would we still be told to "see the satire" in it.

    I've learned that there are 2 types of funny when it comes to racial insenstivity: 1) funny HAHA, and 2) funny, sad. to most african americans who woke up this morning to hear/see this cover, it's definitely not funny HAHA to us.

    Besides, to some people the Sambo image was satire too. Should I not be upset by that either.
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    if the new yorker had any african-american writers or editors maybe someone would have pointed out that this wouldn't be viewed as funny by black folks. or muslims.
  • goc · 1 year ago
    Excellent post on Racialicious on The New Yorker and Hipster Racism:
    http://www.racialicious.com/2008/07/14/the-new-...

    An excerpt:
    "I define hipster racism (I’m borrowing the phrase from Carmen Van Kerckhove) as ideas, speech, and action meant to denigrate another’s person race or ethnicity under the guise of being urbane, witty (meaning “ironic” nowadays), educated, liberal, and/or trendy. This racist and sexist balderdash that’s the New Yorker cover fits squarely into that definition"
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    That's a nice piece.
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    i love that...hipster racism. great term.
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  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    And if she doesn't get it....

    Look for a "shocker" a week later.
  • rdxtion · 1 year ago
    The Clintons are secretly pushing for this. They are going to try to steal the nomination at the convention. Barack needs to watch his back.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    I don't agree with the usage of "steal", since no one has actually won the nomination yet. Being on the outside looking in, both sides have dirty hands, IMHO. Divisiveness has been and is what the Democratic Party is about, for decades, and it has turned back onto them this year.
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    Actually, both have won the nomination for their respective parties; ergo, their being called the presumptive nominees. Same goes for Bobb Barr, Cynthia McKinney, et al.

    Neither have won the GE, which isn't until November 4.

    And all evidence points to the Emperor Dim Son stealing the nomination from McMumbles and the GE from Gore in 2000, then stealing the 2004 GE from Kerry with voter shenanigans in Ohio, thanks to Ken Blackwell. As the late George Carlin said,
    ". . . Governor George W. Bush, and I call him that because, as far as I’m concerned, that’s the only political office that he was ever really elected to…”
    Eh hee.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    rdxtion: billary & bill were first on the SSSSSSSSSSSNAKE list!
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  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Hey, thanks for the link...hilarious!
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    LOL. Yep, that' would be satire.

    And this: http://allhatnocattle.net/7-11-08_karl_rove.htm
  • evita · 1 year ago
    Did anyone hear about a Chicago group asking Jesse Jackson to resign from Rainbow Push? Looking for the story now...
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Ok, so that idoter...er, I mean Editor for the New Yorker was just on with Wolf. I've got to hand it to Wolf, he didn't let him off the hook.

    So, this guy thinks this is satire, and it's "Colbert in print" ....Ha! He wishes!

    Wolf said if he hadn't heard it was New Yorker, he would think it was a KKK magazine that had published it. Go Wolf.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    The Blitzer said that????

    Wow.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Truth: Blitz-man attempted to "get a set" today - finally!! Maybe the JJ comment encouraged him to step up! Just a thought.
  • GoldenAh · 1 year ago
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Thank you for this.
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  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    i don't know if thank you is the right sentiment, because that just straight pissed me off. in the context of barack's speech today....shit is it any wonder some black folks are still struggling....maybe because they never recovered after slavery....for generations? i'm just tired of the "blaming the victim" thing we've got going on. yeah, we can surely do better, but in the context of it being played by barack for racist amerikka, i don't think it plays the same way as if he was talking to "us." although history pissed me off, when you know it, you do understand a whole lot more. as somebody maybe jesse jackson said if you don't know your history you're doomed to repeat it.
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    My late maternal grandmother often spoke of her brother who left Birmingham, Alabama in the late 1920s-early 1930s, and was never seen or heard from again.

    I suspect I now know what probably happened to him.

    The movie, Life, starring Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence did a mediocre job of depicting this.

    Thanks, GoldenAh.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    This hurt me down in my soul. I agree with no ID - until we really discuss this - please withhold instructions.
  • Alexander · 1 year ago
    On a lighter note. Show some love for Miss USA. Watching Miss Universe is a guilty pleasure and I love it when a black woman wins. I've heard a few hateful comments about two Miss USA 's (both both black) tripping and falling two years in a row. I guess you can't trust those black people to represent the good ole USA on the world stage. Now back to the real world.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Wow, Denzel really is a great looking man, isn't he?
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Truth: I'm thinking FIIIIIIIIIIIINE! :>)
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    soul stirring.
  • Booky · 1 year ago
    Just saw all white people all the time discussing the New Yorker cover on CNN. Gloria Berger said they had Michelle Obama looking like Angela Davis, like that was a bad thing. Jack Cafferty mumbled something, not sure what, but the conservative on the panel did the predicitable, "what about the cover's they done on Bush and Dick"? Cafferty mumbled something about the ones about Cheney being true.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    So the Taliban is back on a rampage of terror, abducting and executing 2 women. Sigh, they always kill the most vulnerable to make their ugly points.

    People like D. and Karmi need to understand the true cost of Iraq. Katrina, Afganistan, dead soldiers, orphaned children...on and on.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    The Taliban used filled STADIUMS to execute their victims during Clinton’s 8-years. Where was your pity back then?
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Karmi,

    we were not acquainted back then; so, if I did express pity, you would not have known it.

    Ok, so you're objectifying me as an American Democrat which is ok for argument's sake. Clinton dropped the ball on many things. I am not defending him.

    It will be a miracle if you ever criticize anyone for your own ideological spectrum.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    People like D.-who have lost close friends in Iraq and Afghanistan-probably understand the hell that is war better than you do.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Clearly, people like D. don't understand. Because upon having lost friends, people like D. continue to insist on an unjust war so that more friends, husbands, wives, parents are lost in an unjust war. Or perhaps, their understanding fails to lead to wise conclusion.

    People like D. should not make assumptions about the fitness to comment on said injust war, one criteria being whether that person has lostfriends in war.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    What's your connection to this war? Did you serve? Have you lost anyone-friends, family, or otherwise-there?

    And if you did, did any of them tell you that they understood why there were in Iraq/Afghanistan, and what they were there to do, and that they believed in the same?
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Your attempting to use your deadfriends to pull rank in a message board is an indication of the value of your friendship.

    It is irrelevant what you IMAGINE soldiers believe they are in Iraq to do. We already KNOW there are no WMD, we already KNOW Iraq was not a threat; therefore, responsible, moral behaviour dictates that the war be brought to an end, quickly.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    When I recieved their own words in emails telling me those things, it isn't imagination.

    When I talk to Gold and Blue Star families who tell me their sons/daughters/husbands/wives believe in what we're doing there, it isn't imagination.

    When I recieve it in emails from friends-and now, family-who are there currently, it isn't imagination.

    Don't ever attempt to project what you imagine on me, especially when you have no idea when my information comes from.

    If it makes you feel any better, one of my best friends disagrees with me wholeheartedly about the war. We argue about it at least weekly, and I'd still go through hell for him and him for me. Hell, I disagree with smoothie/djchefron here, but I still call them brothers (or sisters, if apporpriate).
  • taritac · 1 year ago
    Ooh. Oooooooh.

    Eddie Murphy's new movie takes in only $5M its opening weekend: Here's Why You Don't Care About Eddie Murphy.

    So sad.

    Someone with a promising, successful career who, at some point, decided to keep doing the same. damn. thing. over and over and OVER and made himself irrelevant.
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    His career ebbs and flows. For every flop, there's a Shrek or a Dreamgirl.

    Donkey/Jimmy Want Mo' will continue to get paid to make movies, hit or miss.
  • Nellcote · 1 year ago
    PBS's John McLaughlin calls Obama an "oreo" on his teevee show yesterday:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGxBY7uBEW0
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    and quoted Jeremiah Wright too.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    MEDIA ALERT: Obama and his NAACP Speech
    C-Span

    Tonight, 10:59 PM EST
    Overnight, 3:08 AM EST
  • bigassbelle · 1 year ago
    the best news of the day is that reading is a lost art in america, else there'd likely be a lot more of an uproar about what was in the new yorker than what was pictured on the cover.
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    I didn't read anything in the article that hasn't been previously posited in either the Los Angeles Times or the New York Times.

    Maybe I missed something, so I'll go read it again.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I didn't like the article at all. I thought it was a slick hit job. I've read Lizza's earlier writings about Barack and while they're usually fair, there's always been something lurking between the lines.

    Not this time.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    OBAMA'S SPEECH TO THE NAACP:

    It is always humbling to speak before the NAACP. It is a powerful reminder of the debt we all owe to those who marched for us and fought for us and stood up on our behalf; of the sacrifices that were made for us by those we never knew; and of the giants whose shoulders I stand on here today.


    They are the men and women we read about in history books and hear about in church; whose lives we honor with schools, and boulevards, and federal holidays that bear their names. But what I want to remind you tonight -- on Youth Night -- is that these giants, these icons of America's past, were not much older than many of you when they took up freedom's cause and made their mark on history.



    Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was but a 26-year old pastor when he led a bus boycott in Montgomery that mobilized a movement. John Lewis was but a 25-year old activist when he faced down Billy clubs on the bridge in Selma and helped arouse the conscience of our nation. Diane Nash was even younger when she helped found SNCC and led Freedom Rides down south. And your chairman Julian Bond was but a 25-year old state legislator when he put his own shoulder to the wheel of history.


    It is because of them; and all those whose names never made it into the history books - those men and women, young and old, black, brown and white, clear-eyed and straight-backed, who refused to settle for the world as it is; who had the courage to remake the world as it should be - that I stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America.



    And if I have the privilege of serving as your next President, I will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of Americans stood up for me - by fighting to ensure that every single one of us has the chance to make it if we try. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. It means fighting to eliminate discrimination from every corner of our country. It means changing hearts, and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law.



    But social justice is not enough. As Dr. King once said, "the inseparable twin of racial justice is economic justice." That's why Dr. King went to Memphis in his final days to stand with striking sanitation workers. That's why the march that Roy Wilkins helped lead forty five years ago this summer wasn't just named the March on Washington, and it wasn't just named the March on Washington for Freedom; it was named the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.



    What Dr. King and Roy Wilkins understood is that it matters little if you have the right to sit at the front of the bus if you can't afford the bus fare; it matters little if you have the right to sit at the lunch counter if you can't afford the lunch. What they understood is that so long as Americans are denied the decent wages, and good benefits, and fair treatment they deserve, the dream for which so many gave so much will remain out of reach; that to live up to our founding promise of equality for all, we have to make sure that opportunity is open to all Americans.



    That is what I've been fighting to do throughout my over 20 years in public service. That's why I've fought in the Senate to end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas and give those tax breaks to companies that create good jobs here in America. That's why I brought Democrats and Republicans together in Illinois to put $100 million in tax cuts into the pockets of hardworking families, to expand health care to 150,000 children and parents, and to end the outrage of black women making just 62 cents for every dollar that many of their male coworkers make.



    And that's why I moved to Chicago after college. As some of you know, I turned down more lucrative jobs because I was inspired by the Civil Rights Movement and I wanted to do my part in the ongoing battle for opportunity in this country. So I went to work for a group of churches to help turn around neighborhoods that were devastated when the local steel plants closed. And I reached out to community leaders - black, brown, and white - and together, we gave job training to the jobless, set up afterschool programs to help keep kids off the streets, and block by block, we helped turn those neighborhoods around.



    So I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where social justice is being served and economic justice is being served; an America where we all have an equal chance to make it if we try. That's the America I believe in. That's the America you've been fighting for over the past 99 years. And that's the America we have to keep marching towards today.


    Our work is not over.


    When so many of our nation's schools are failing, especially those in our poorest rural and urban communities, denying millions of young Americans the chance to fulfill their potential and live out their dreams, we have more work to do.


    When CEOs are making more in ten minutes than the average worker earns in a year, and millions of families lose their homes due to unscrupulous lending, checked neither by a sense of corporate ethics or a vigilant government; when the dream of entering the middle class and staying there is fading for young people in our community, we have more work to do.


    When any human being is denied a life of dignity and respect, no matter whether they live in Anacostia or Appalachia or a village in Africa; when people are trapped in extreme poverty we know how to curb or suffering from diseases we know how to prevent; when they're going without the medicines that they so desperately need - we have more work to do.


    That's what this election is all about. It's about the responsibilities we all share for the future we hold in common. It's about each and every one of us doing our part to build that more perfect union.


    It's about the responsibilities that corporate America has - responsibilities that start with ending a culture on Wall Street that says what's good for me is good enough; that puts their bottom line ahead of what's right for America. Because what we've learned in such a dramatic way in recent months is that pain in our economy trickles up; that Wall Street can't thrive so long as Main Street is struggling; and that America is better off when the well-being of American business and the American people are aligned. Our CEOs have to recognize that they have a responsibility not just to grow their profit margins, but to be fair to their workers, and honest to their shareholders and to help strengthen our economy as a whole. That's how we'll ensure that economic justice is being served. And that's what this election is about.


    It's about the responsibilities that Washington has - responsibilities that start with restoring fairness to our economy by making sure that the playing field isn't tilted to benefit the special interests at the expense of ordinary Americans; and that we're rewarding not just wealth, but the work and workers who create it. That's why I'll offer a middle class tax cut so we can lift up hardworking families, and give relief to struggling homeowners so we can end our housing crisis, and provide training to young people to work the green jobs of the future, and invest in our infrastructure so we can create millions of new jobs.



    And that's why I'll end the outrage of one in five African Americans going without the health care they deserve. We'll guarantee health care for anyone who needs it, make it affordable for anyone who wants it, and ensure that the quality of your health care does not depend on the color of your skin. And we're not going to do it 20 years from now or 10 years from now, we're going to do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States of America.



    And here's what else we'll do - we'll make sure that every child in this country gets a world-class education from the day they're born until the day they graduate from college. Now, I understand that Senator McCain is going to be coming here in a couple of days and talking about education, and I'm glad to hear it. But the fact is, what he's offering amounts to little more than the same tired rhetoric about vouchers. Well, I believe we need to move beyond the same debate we've been having for the past 30 years when we haven't gotten anything done. We need to fix and improve our public schools, not throw our hands up and walk away from them. We need to uphold the ideal of public education, but we also need reform.



    That's why I've introduced a comprehensive strategy to recruit an army of new qualified teachers to our communities - and to pay them more and give them more support. And we'll invest in early childhood education programs so that our kids don't begin the race of life behind the starting line and offer a $4,000 tax credit to make college affordable for anyone who wants to go. Because as the NAACP knows better than anyone, the fight for social justice and economic justice begins in the classroom.

    But it doesn't end there. We have to fight for all those young men standing on street corners with little hope for the future besides ending up in jail. We have to break the cycle of poverty and violence that's gripping too many neighborhoods in this country.


    That's why I'll expand the Earned Income Tax Credit - because it's one of the most successful anti-poverty measures we have. That's why I'll end the Bush policy of taking cops off the streets at the moment they're needed most - because we need to give local law enforcement the support they need. That's why we'll provide job training for ex-offenders - because we need to make sure they don't return to a life of crime. And that's why I'll build on the success of the Harlem Children's Zone in New York and launch an all-hands-on-deck effort to end poverty in this country - because that's how we'll put the dream that Dr. King and Roy Wilkins fought for within reach for the next generation of children.



    And if people tell you that we cannot afford to invest in education or health care or fighting poverty, you just remind them that we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq. And if we can spend that much money in Iraq, we can spend some of that money right here in Cincinnati, Ohio and in big cities and small towns in every corner of this country.



    So yes, we have to demand more responsibility from Washington. And yes we have to demand more responsibility from Wall Street. But we also have to demand more from ourselves. Now, I know some say I've been too tough on folks about this responsibility stuff. But I'm not going to stop talking about it. Because I believe that in the end, it doesn't matter how much money we invest in our communities, or how many 10-point plans we propose, or how many government programs we launch - none of it will make any difference if we don't seize more responsibility in our own lives.



    That's how we'll truly honor those who came before us. Because I know that Thurgood Marshall did not argue Brown versus Board of Education so that some of us could stop doing our jobs as parents. And I know that nine little children did not walk through a schoolhouse door in Little Rock so that we could stand by and let our children drop out of school and turn to gangs for the support they are not getting elsewhere. That's not the freedom they fought so hard to achieve. That's not the America they gave so much to build. That's not the dream they had for our children.



    That's why if we're serious about reclaiming that dream, we have to do more in our own lives, our own families, and our own communities. That starts with providing the guidance our children need, turning off the TV, and putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences, helping our children with their homework, and setting a good example. It starts with teaching our daughters to never allow images on television to tell them what they are worth; and teaching our sons to treat women with respect, and to realize that responsibility does not end at conception; that what makes them men is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one. It starts by being good neighbors and good citizens who are willing to volunteer in our communities - and to help our synagogues and churches and community centers feed the hungry and care for the elderly. We all have to do our part to lift up this country.



    That's where change begins. And that, after all, is the true genius of America - not that America is, but that America will be; not that we are perfect, but that we can make ourselves more perfect; that brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand, people who love this country can change it. And that's our most enduring responsibility - the responsibility to future generations. We have to change this country for them. We have to leave them a planet that's cleaner, a nation that's safer, and a world that's more equal and more just.



    So I'm grateful to you for all you've done for this campaign, but we've got work to do and we cannot rest. And I know that if you put your shoulders to the wheel of history and take up the cause of perfecting our union just as earlier generations of Americans did before you; if you take up the fight for opportunity and equality and prosperity for all; if you march with me and fight with me, and get your friends registered to vote, and if you stand with me this fall - then not only will we help close the responsibility deficit in this country, and not only will we help achieve social justice and economic justice for all, but I will come back here next year on the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, and I will stand before you as the President of the United States of America. And at that moment, you and I will truly know that a new day has come in this country we love. Thank you.
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    "Forgotten was the fact that it was the Republicans who started the HBCU’s and the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks." - Dr. Alveda C. King
  • NO ID · 1 year ago
    thanks for posting this...i stand corrected since he never says black people....interesting since that's what yahoo, via AP reported. he never once says "black people." did they assume because he was talking to the NAACP that he meant us...this is the bullshit i'm talking about. my bad for reading the AP story before i read the actual speech. **takes seat in corner**
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    He doesn't have to actually say black people. He only gives the speech to "black" people. Read his speech to Laraza
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    What did he say to Laraza?
  • barry4potus · 1 year ago
    HEY!! everybody theres a story on the hill.com, where certain members of the CBC are now awaiting for obama to endorse them in their congressional races.....even the ones that backed hillary are now begging for his support and are wondering whats taking so long
  • Texas_Girl_in_LA · 1 year ago
    Wow...that article....was pure comedy
  • Town · 1 year ago
    They need to sit down and fan themselves. They watched while Billary threw this brotha on the ground, stomped him, kicked him, shanked him, ran over him with their car, put out their cigarettes in his eye...they sat back with their black gums cackling and grinning on cable TV, cheering Hillary on, shrugging their shoulders and buck dancing for the Clintons...and now that the voters are about to Bizzounce their asses out of office....NOW they want Obama to swoop in and save the day?

    After Hillary asks the 18 million hard working white Americans for a dollar apiece to retire her debt, then she can ask the hard working white Americans to save the CBC's collective asses...
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Town: So co-signing and laughing!! Your post is funny! Thanx for da laff! :>) :>) :>)
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    town,

    this is hilarious and on point.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    barry: I couldn't open that site. But, from the comments here, can we say -"PAY BACK IS A MOTHER___?"
    I'll continue to look for it. Thank you.
  • Texas_Girl_in_LA · 1 year ago
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Texas: Thank you so much! That's what "family's" for!!
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Texas: I read the article. As I said [quoting myself] - "PAY BACK IS A MOTHER ____!" :>)
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Great article, thanks for the link.

    Endorsing her risks ties to her son amid Obama’s promises of a new kind of politics, while not endorsing her risks a big symbolic stiff for the CBC and could jeopardize Obama’s standing in a swing state.

    Hmm. Somehow, I don't think O cares.

    Adolph Mongo, a political analyst and former consultant to Mayor Kilpatrick, said that Obama’s support would be a “tremendous endorsement” for Carolyn Kilpatrick in terms of the good perception it would generate amongst voters. But he suggested it might be more important for Obama.

    Ha! So, Obama needs her more than she needs him?? LOL

    “Barack Obama cannot afford to snub the congresswoman and the mayor,” Mongo said. “The mayor is the only one in Detroit that has the machine to turn out the vote.”

    Does anyone believe that the people of Michigan would care if O snubbed the Mayor and his mother?
  • jelana · 1 year ago
    Believe it or not, but a lot of people in Detroit love the mayor and his mother.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Wow...love only goes so far. They can love them out of office too.
  • 99 Percent Sure · 1 year ago
    If you haven't completely read the New Yorker article, you need to get on with it. As horrific as the cover was, IMO, Lizza almost makes up for the offense. I say "almost" because some of the data I'd already read in May and June in other publications.
    Another transition from primary to general election is now under way for Obama, and it is causing him a similar set of problems, all of which stem from a realization among his supporters that superheroes don’t become President; politicians do. Judging by the reaction to Obama’s most recent decisions—his willingness to support legislation to modify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, his rightward shift on interpreting the Second Amendment, his decision to “refine” his Iraq policies—some voters will be crushed by this realization and others will be relieved.
    The article ends with the following:
    Obama has always had a healthy understanding of the reaction he elicits in others, and he learned to use it to his advantage a very long time ago. Marty Nesbitt remembers Obama’s utter calm the day he gave his celebrated speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, in Boston, which made him an international celebrity and a potential 2008 Presidential candidate. “We were walking down the street late in the afternoon,” Nesbitt told me. “And this crowd was building behind us, like it was Tiger Woods at the Masters.”

    “Barack, man, you’re like a rock star,” Nesbitt said.

    “Yeah, if you think it’s bad today, wait until tomorrow,” Obama replied.

    “What do you mean?”

    “My speech,” Obama said, “is pretty good.”
    He ain't nothing to play with.
  • carolinagirl · 1 year ago
    "He ain't nothing to play with."

    You ain't neva lied.... LOL.