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2. Rev.Wright made the keynote speech at the NAACP dinner in Detroit. I liked the speech. I have found people who did and people who did not. Some of the usual pundits think that all of this can hurt Obama.
What gets me is that when he was "quiet" they were carrying on about him being in hiding and should step up and do an interview. Then when he does, he needs to go away. He is a prominent minister. A lof of people I know have heard him speak. My cousin heard him speak at Howard. The difference is that he is "infamous" now.
White people in this country do not like to hear certain things...they just want blacks to be their lap dogs.
3. I am kinda sorta getting annoyed with Obama and I am not quite sure why. I really want this primary to be over. I feel fatigue.
I wish Obama had been more confrontational with Fox and I hate that Fox was legitimized by him going there. BUT I can see why he did it AND I understand the fine line he has to walk with the anger thing.
I am encouraged that his blogger is a socialist. Yay.
And this registration drive is pretty kickass:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/obama_launches_3.html
On Meet the Press yesterday, the black woman from NPR said something very interesting about the PA primary. She said that it had been Obama's campaign strategy from the start to run up his numbers in places where he had a lot of support and to spend less time in places where he didn't.
Until he gets close to closing out the deal, and then he switches up and fails.
In PA, she pointed out that she expected him to spend more time in Philly and the suburbs which was where he had the most support. Instead, he appeared in Pilly exactly once but spent most of his time in places where he would be trounced, such as Scranton and rural areas. At the end of the day, he got killed in those places, as well as in one of the suburban counties and lost another suburban county by two points. His 65-35 win in Philly, large as it was, was also closer than expected.
Her comment went unremarked upon by the other panelists but it made me question Obama. Does he really want to win this thing? Is he choking?
I am annoyed with this process and want the whole thing to be over.
I believe Obama went to those places because he believed he had to because of the ' bitter' comments. He couldn't be SEEN as ignoring those places, IMO. He had to make extra effort.
I also have come to agree with that poster on HuffingtonPost(don't remember his name), who said that the point of Obama campaigning so hard in Pennsylvania, wasn't so that he could win, but because he wanted to bankrupt her.
I thought, at first, that he was off the mark, until I watched Washington Week in Review on Friday, and one of the writers from Politico.com, said the exact same thing. Obama contesting Hillpatine so hard on her territory, forced her to spend every cent she had, and then the writer went onto explain the depth of Hillpatine's debts, and her fundraising afterwards, and how Hillpatine is put in a bind because of all the fundraisers that she has to leave the campaign trail to do; how Bill is also a drain - financially - on the campaign. And then, this writer began to point out, with the compressed schedule from here on out, how Obama is already using his money to a) organize and b)ads up on the air and mailings.
While I appreciated the Moyers interview, for my money, the best part of the Moyers interview was the introductory piece - to show that Wright had been important enough, in the 80's to be profiled on Frontline, just reinforces that he's not some fringe preacher. That they showed Trinity doing the Christian work that they have been known for, and that it's on record of the HISTORY of this church doing those services to the community - totally invaluable, IMO, in helping Dr. Wright.
And CNN ran his address at the NAACP gathering in Detroit and it was fantastic. I feel like I've taken a deep breath for the first time in ages because I am convinced this will help.
That they ran the speech uninterrupted, and had Roland Martin and Soledad O'Brien there to comment afterwards - yes yes yes. They both held it down and shut down the GOP clown they had on.
I found these comments on DailyKos and thought it was interesting:
Basically, the NAACP just endorsed Rev Wright. 10,000 people applauding wildly can't be ignored.
If "I'm visiting Selma" McCain was going to try to Wright-boat Obama, he now has a hell of a lot of political delicacy to consider.
My prediction: Ayers will replace Wright as the dominant "Obama is a radical" meme.
by Darkmoth on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:39:03 PM PDT
Good Point (3+ / 0-)
Good point about the fact that this basically seals the deal with the African American community and Rev Wright; this was a huge endorsement of him by the NAACP.
This not only puts the GOP in a bad situation, but it also puts the same pressure on the media and the Clinton campaign.
From now on insulting Rev Wright will be equivalent to going after the NAACP and the entire African American population.
We need to remind the media of this fact
Never thought of it that way.
I wish Obama had been more confrontational with Fox and I hate that Fox was legitimized by him going there. BUT I can see why he did it AND I understand the fine line he has to walk with the anger thing
Obama did the right thing with regards to Fox. Now Wallace has to take down his stupid clock. Say what you want, but Wallace showed Obama more respect than ABC did in that debate. He wanted to show that he was unafraid to go places where folks aren't exactly friendly towards him, and he succeeded, IMO.
I think it's fatigue, because you know that this is only a media creation - this 'contest'. That it has no basis in actual FACT. That would begin to annoy anyone, and if Obama actually pointed this out, he'd be the ' arrogant' one trying to push out ' Poor Hillpatine'.
IF he shows up in Philly more than once, shows up in Montgomery county more than once, he could've close the gap or flatout won the state.
He lost by 200,000 votes. That could've been made up in the most populous part of the state and Hillary Rodhan Nixon would be in the process of being forced out by her own people right now.
Remember, Wallace was the one who told other Fox talking heads that they were being ridiculous earlier in the campaign.
I'm tired of this drawn out process too, but still caught up in it. It's perverse.
I'm thinking that the only way we can affect national change is with the finances.It seems like we will have to sacrifice, individually & collectively, personally and nationally, whether we like it or not.I like boycotting. I think it's good to be financially selective. That said, Cnn just announced that credit cards are raising rates. That stinks.
Ron Paul says he would get rid of income tax. Hmmm.
However it seems more like they are telling them that they won't by their selective soundbits (i.e. the comments he made about JFK and President Johnson's accents being different not wrong).
I like and respect Rev. Wright and I think it's not about Obama or this election. I think if we shut him down, we shut ourselves down. This is a moment to have an honest discussion about these issues in this country, because if we don't now...when will we?
I hate the media.
This morning from Jim Geherty:
McCain, Up To Speed on the Latest Wright Sermons (U.S. Is Same as al-Qaeda, etc.)
The Obama campaign contends that John McCain has " broken his word to the American people and rendered hollow his promise of a respectful campaign" ... and apparently by his did this by agreeing with Barack Obama that Jeremiah Wright is a legitimate issue.
The statement that got Team Obama so riled up?
"Senator Obama himself says it's a legitimate political issue, so I would imagine that many other people will share that view and it will be in the arena," McCain said at a news conference. "But my position that Senator Obama doesn't share those views remains the same."
Apparently the Obama campaign expected John McCain to argue with Obama that his relationship with Wright wasn't a legitimate issue.
Also, note that McCain... okay, more likely somebody on his campaign... reads the Campaign Spot and/or listens to Hugh Hewitt, because McCain is now quoting the recently-discovered new recordings of Wright's sermons.
I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our Savior, I mean being involved in that. It’s beyond belief. And then of course saying that Al Qaeda and the American flag were the same flags. So I can understand, I can understand why people are upset about this. I can understand why Americans, when viewing these kinds of comments, are angry and upset. Just like they view Senator Obama’s statements about why people turn to their faith and their values. He believes that it’s out of economic concerns. We all know it’s out of a fundamental belief, a fundamental faith in this country and its values and its principles. Again, Senator Obama, out of touch. I can’t control, and will not in future, control. I will voice my opinion. And I will continue to say that I think that ad should not be run. But I won’t continue to try to be the referee here.”
Heh.
By the way, if I were on the North Carolina GOP, I would re-edit that controversial ad to include the audio of Wright declaring, "what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag." If video of this sermon is not available, I would just use a photo of Wright — North Carolinians already know who he is by now.
Good news for Team Obama... Jeremiah Wright speaks at the National Press Club Monday morning at 8:30 a.m., and I'm sure during his appearance Wright will clear all this up.
@rhonda,
I hear you. But I say this. . .
TOO DAMN BAD! White comfort. White privilege. How privileged. . . the privilege to turn your back on the world, plug your fingers in your ears and say, "La la la. I don't want to hear it." How privileged. . . to construct an alternate reality despite the world around you.
Understand this. White folks' worlds would be unrecognizable if they were forced to base their lives on BLACK COMFORT. . . if black comfort had ultimate veto power. It'll never happen, but I wish someone would just stand up and tell some of these critics to just GET OVER IT.
Morning Joe raised an interesting question. . . Where is the endgame, here? Define that slippery slope that Jeremiah Wright poses to the American people.
Do you think Obama is a racist? No.
Do you think Obama hates white people? No.
Has Obama done anything to make you believe he hates white people? Hates America? No.
Are there ANY policy implications to infer from this Obama/Wright relationship? NO.
Okay. . . So WTF are people obsessed about?
Uncomfortable??? Hey, JOIN THE CLUB. Be uncomfortable. Let it burn. It's necessary. Discomfort encourages self-reflection and change. To avoid discomfort is to invite stagnation.
This is a pluralistic society (diverse groups coexisting in one common setting). It's very nature requires a certain level of discomfort. . . a certain level of compromise. . . a level of give and take.
I saw Wright's speech. He didn't say a damn thing that was untoward. It was a speech on change and diversity.
Listen, politically speaking, I don't like Wright's timing. But I ain't stuck on stupid. As said in Wright's introduction, this is bigger than Obama. Obama's the target. But the media has no problem treating black folk, black culture and black expression as collateral damage.
"Different is not deficient." That's all that brotha said. It was actually a very entertaining and light-hearted speech.
People better be careful what they wish for. Black folk straddle a fine line everyday. We all got a little bit of MLK on one shoulder and a little bit of Malcolm X on the other. . . a little bit of "we shall overcome" in one hand, and a little bit of "black power," in the other. Both are equally important to who we are as a people.
Now, we've been pushing our inner MLK through Obama for a while. Keep this up and Black folk are gonna start letting their inner Malcolm X out sooner or later.
This election could reignite black nationalism for an entire generation of African-Americans. Now, I always liked black nationalism. Black is beautiful to me. Let's have more of it.
Folks get sick and tired of biting their tongues. We get tired of turning the other cheek. This election awoke a sleeping giant.
I don't disagree with you ... but I think that *we* can affect the most change through media control. Only when we have command of our image; our likeness; and our reality, will we be respected enough not to be reduced to sound bites and pundit quips.
Wright is a tranformationist!!! He is giving a voice to a form of black political thought that has been forcefully silenced. I'm so very happy and excited. It is the school of black political thought that has been over looked and ignored.
He is schooling these media people...they have to feel stupid. he is explaining himself and his church along with black liberation theology and the black church through his own words. He is also speaking out against the government. I think that this can help Obama big time.
P.S. Greta Van Sustren is sitting on the panel near Wright. She spoke so much shit about (I saw it on YouTube, I do not watch Fox)him. She has to feel dumb. She just has to.
"White people in this country" like me don't like hearing this not because I'm sticking by fingers in my ears and creating an comfortable alternate reality for myself, I don't like hearing this because I disagree with him!
This man's words are not the truth!
They are his opinion. They may be shared by many anti-war Americans, and black and white Americans alike. So be it. Everyone has a choice.
But this man is NOT helping Obama.
Ayers is NOT helping Obama.
Not too many people I know long to recreate the 1960s. Wright and Ayers are living in the past, trying to reshape and define America based on their old, tired, radical ideologies. They are free to speak and act as they choose, and others are free to agree with their perspectives. But I can speak with confidence when I say that they are out of touch with the vast majority of Americans, and their words only seek to divide and offer no hope.
This is counter to Obama's message.
Wright and Ayers are not inspirational figures. They are aging, pathetic, political retreads
seeking relevance as a new world is passing them by. They espouse a future of division, cultural and moral relativism and chaos.
He is making himself into a major campaign issue and he is bringing up all of the things that have made him a 'problem' for Obama.
And Obama declared that Wright is a 'legitimate political issue.'
"Obama’s pastor reminds everyone that his Trinity United years, with Obama in attendance, focused on dividing blacks and whites, McCain can unite Americans based on the American concepts of freedom and liberty. And thanks to Obama, McCain can specifically use Wright and TUCC as examples of the intolerance that holds us back."
From NRO:
"The audacity of Obama's speech on race was to embrace Rev. Wright more closely, not to distance himself from the "controversial" preacher. "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," Obama said of Wright. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother…These people are a part of me."
He's gonna have a harder time continuing to embrace Wright after this morning's performance at the press club question-and-answer session. Wright is a continuing disaster for Obama."
The Untold Story of How the Canadian Government Sabotaged Barack Obama
Really?
Focued on dividing Blacks and Whites?
I think that would be a surprise to the Whites who have been in the congregation for years.
But to suggest that he's made himself available for the Vice Presidency is tantamount to killing Obama's candidacy for real.
As brilliant as Wright is, I do not trust all of his motivations.
Of course he has to defend the Black Church. I get that. But to suggest that he's open to being veep is only going to hurt Obama's electability between now and the end of the primary season.
He appears to be competing with Obama and while that's his right, I don't like it.
Obama doesn't need another fight.
to me, his get to know me not the bullshit tour is precisely what needs to happen now. he's making a clear separation between who he is, as former pastor of the biggest black church in chicago, and barack obama's candidacy.
two separate things. separate. that's critical.
I hear you to a point Craig. I believe that he stepping out and introducing himself, his church and who he is to the public is good.
He was joking about the VP thing, I think most people would view it as such but the "he's a politican" thing needed to be left out because we have a media who is waiting around ready to jump on just about anything.
However I believe that he has created a person that is seperate from Obama. He is also alloing people to judge him for who he is rather than the caricature portrayed in the media. I believe that those who will take offense will never think about voting for Obama and the rest are upset that they cannot continue to spout certain lies based on 30-40 second soundbytes.
I understand about Obama and everyone around him needing to walk a thin line however I do not think that this will hurt him. I also do not think that Wright has bad intentions.
If the media focuses on the veep line, I will officially lose ALL respect for humanity. It was clearly a joke.
Wright also made it clear that he is not a politician and is not running for any type of office.
People who cling to the viability of that line do so at the expense of all evidence to the contrary.
Might I add. . .It's a damn SHAME that we'd even have to worry about such a response.
Talk about the Twighlight Zone.
I agree with those who are not sold on Wright's motivations. His timing is horrible.
However, as a larger issue, Rev. Wrights speech today was an excellent defense of the black church, black culture and self autonomy. In that respect, Rev. Wright made me proud.
_____________________________________
Only political junkies like us are really paying attention in depth.
Most people do not know Obama very well and Wright will continue to be linked to Obama as a 'legitimate political issue.'
Wright is continuing to bring up things that make him a real liability for Obama.
We live in a world of sound bites and short attention spans and Wright will dominate the week leading up to IN and NC.
How has Wright separated himself from Obama? He is always and forever, "Obama's former pastor, spiritual mentor and inspiration for the title of his book said, ...(insert controversial or offensive snippet here.)"
"I could no more disown him, than I could disown the black community..."
"...than my own white grandmother."
WrightObamaforeverlinkedaslegitimatepoliticalissue.
Atleast through these types of issues/discussions, America has the chance to evolve and maybe (just maybe) transform itself into a better country...as opposed to testing semen-stained dresses for presidential DNA.
I don't think this is an ego-trip at all. That man has worked longer than I've been alive to make this a better world. If it's really a free country, he should be able to say as much as he likes...even if it puts Barack in jeopardy.
Let there be 8 long-years of Wright-boating scandals...AMERICA WILL BE BETTER FOR THIS!
However I feel that the media needs to stop focusing on him because this needs to be about the candidates. I think that Rev.Wright should not allow cameras in the room for his future appearances. We have heard from him and the media is obviously fascinated with him.
We need to deal with the issues that the candidates are talking about.
I was watching Howard Dean speak this morning, I really can't wait for this primary to be over.
I am truly fatigue. I believe that the media has had a lot to do with that.
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"Wright's speech on black-right brainers, white-left brainers — replete with bogus stereotypes and crude voice imitations — was about as racist as they come and at one time antithetical to what the NAACP was once all about. Again, the Obama campaign and its appendages have set back racial relations a generation. Just ten years ago, any candidate, black or white, would have rejected Wright making a speech about genetic differences in respective black and white brains. Now it's given to civil rights organizations by the possible next President's pastor and spiritual advisor — and done to wild applause for an organization founded on the idea that we are innately the same, while being gushed over by ignorant "commentators."
Between Wright's racism and hatred, and Obama's contextualization of what he has said, we have so lowered the bar that the next racist (and he won't necessarily be black) who evokes hatred of other races and then offers a mish-mash pop theory of genetic differences will have plenty of "context" to ward off public fury.
Orwellian times."
Victor Davis Hanson
Let the white folks who need-a-reason, have Rev. Wright. Let them have it. But every time we talk about him; every time we place his words into their proper context, we allow for the enemy to live another day.
I hear you, the public needs to hear what he said in his interviews and two speeches. It would give them a better understanding of who he is and it can work in Obama's favor. The public is actually not AS stupid as the media. My issue is that the pundits will influence some of the public as usual. We could have done without the Q&A; part because the media will be taking it out of context.
P.S. As for the swipe at Dick Cheney that people keep bringing up, so what everybody has said something about Dick Cheney. People are really looking for things and need to concentrate on the important issues. Dems do not like him and Dick Cheney was making fun at Rev.Wright at an appearance so hey!!
::::::::Primary fatigue..Primary Fatigue::::Primary fatigue:::
Who did they poll, Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity,Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Rielly?
IT'S THE MEDIA!!
The Blackfaces on MSNBC (Dr.Susan Rice is the only name I can remember. The AA female TeeVee Talking Pundit head said that Susan Rice's voice was shaking with anger at Reverend Wright. The AA male TeeVee Talking Pundit head said that the Obama campaign should have given Wright at ticket to the South Pacific.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
Roland Martin is on CNN talking fast as usual. He said something about Wright staying in his place, I mean element. He really needs to slow it down.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
C-SPAN wins the award for stupid ideas today. During open phones after Wrights speech they had an African America line and a line for OTHERS.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
Reverend Wright stated some of his remarks were edited out of the Bill Moyers interview.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
What do you want to bet the National Press Club hates they invited those uppity N's to the Press Club? The moderator looked like she wanted to bust a cap on some people or send them to Gitmo.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
I like the way Reverend Wright stands up to the Corporate media. I'm getting annoyed at Obama because he doesn't stand up to the corporate media. I'm "annoyed" at the corporate media for attacking the black church. I'm annoyed at all the so called "Christian" politicians (Obama included) for driving the get away car.
Lets set an example=)
I live in New York. Sharpton has declared that he is going to shut down the city!!!
RhondaCoca said...
1. Obama was on Fox News but I did not see it because I dont watch Fox News.
2. Rev.Wright made the keynote speech at the NAACP dinner in Detroit. I liked the speech. I have found people who did and people who did not. Some of the usual pundits think that all of this can hurt Obama.
What gets me is that when he was "quiet" they were carrying on about him being in hiding and should step up and do an interview. Then when he does, he needs to go away. He is a prominent minister. A lof of people I know have heard him speak. My cousin heard him speak at Howard. The difference is that he is "infamous" now.
White people in this country do not like to hear certain things...they just want blacks to be their lap dogs.
3. I am kinda sorta getting annoyed with Obama and I am not quite sure why. I really want this primary to be over. I feel fatigue.
Mon Apr 28, 04:29:00 AM 2008
BigAssBelle said...
Bill Moyers did an interview with Rev. Wright that absolutely rocked my world. And CNN ran his address at the NAACP gathering in Detroit and it was fantastic. I feel like I've taken a deep breath for the first time in ages because I am convinced this will help.
I wish Obama had been more confrontational with Fox and I hate that Fox was legitimized by him going there. BUT I can see why he did it AND I understand the fine line he has to walk with the anger thing.
I am encouraged that his blogger is a socialist. Yay.
And this registration drive is pretty kickass:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/obama_launches_3.html
Mon Apr 28, 04:35:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
rhodacocca, I wish you could talk more about why you're annoyed with Obama.
On Meet the Press yesterday, the black woman from NPR said something very interesting about the PA primary. She said that it had been Obama's campaign strategy from the start to run up his numbers in places where he had a lot of support and to spend less time in places where he didn't.
Until he gets close to closing out the deal, and then he switches up and fails.
In PA, she pointed out that she expected him to spend more time in Philly and the suburbs which was where he had the most support. Instead, he appeared in Pilly exactly once but spent most of his time in places where he would be trounced, such as Scranton and rural areas. At the end of the day, he got killed in those places, as well as in one of the suburban counties and lost another suburban county by two points. His 65-35 win in Philly, large as it was, was also closer than expected.
Her comment went unremarked upon by the other panelists but it made me question Obama. Does he really want to win this thing? Is he choking?
I am annoyed with this process and want the whole thing to be over.
Mon Apr 28, 05:04:00 AM 2008
rikyrah said...
Craig,
I believe Obama went to those places because he believed he had to because of the ' bitter' comments. He couldn't be SEEN as ignoring those places, IMO. He had to make extra effort.
I also have come to agree with that poster on HuffingtonPost(don't remember his name), who said that the point of Obama campaigning so hard in Pennsylvania, wasn't so that he could win, but because he wanted to bankrupt her.
I thought, at first, that he was off the mark, until I watched Washington Week in Review on Friday, and one of the writers from Politico.com, said the exact same thing. Obama contesting Hillpatine so hard on her territory, forced her to spend every cent she had, and then the writer went onto explain the depth of Hillpatine's debts, and her fundraising afterwards, and how Hillpatine is put in a bind because of all the fundraisers that she has to leave the campaign trail to do; how Bill is also a drain - financially - on the campaign. And then, this writer began to point out, with the compressed schedule from here on out, how Obama is already using his money to a) organize and b)ads up on the air and mailings.
Mon Apr 28, 05:15:00 AM 2008
rikyrah said...
Bill Moyers did an interview with Rev. Wright that absolutely rocked my world.
While I appreciated the Moyers interview, for my money, the best part of the Moyers interview was the introductory piece - to show that Wright had been important enough, in the 80's to be profiled on Frontline, just reinforces that he's not some fringe preacher. That they showed Trinity doing the Christian work that they have been known for, and that it's on record of the HISTORY of this church doing those services to the community - totally invaluable, IMO, in helping Dr. Wright.
And CNN ran his address at the NAACP gathering in Detroit and it was fantastic. I feel like I've taken a deep breath for the first time in ages because I am convinced this will help.
That they ran the speech uninterrupted, and had Roland Martin and Soledad O'Brien there to comment afterwards - yes yes yes. They both held it down and shut down the GOP clown they had on.
I found these comments on DailyKos and thought it was interesting:
Basically, the NAACP just endorsed Rev Wright. 10,000 people applauding wildly can't be ignored.
If "I'm visiting Selma" McCain was going to try to Wright-boat Obama, he now has a hell of a lot of political delicacy to consider.
My prediction: Ayers will replace Wright as the dominant "Obama is a radical" meme.
by Darkmoth on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 09:39:03 PM PDT
Good Point (3+ / 0-)
Good point about the fact that this basically seals the deal with the African American community and Rev Wright; this was a huge endorsement of him by the NAACP.
This not only puts the GOP in a bad situation, but it also puts the same pressure on the media and the Clinton campaign.
From now on insulting Rev Wright will be equivalent to going after the NAACP and the entire African American population.
We need to remind the media of this fact
Never thought of it that way.
I wish Obama had been more confrontational with Fox and I hate that Fox was legitimized by him going there. BUT I can see why he did it AND I understand the fine line he has to walk with the anger thing
Obama did the right thing with regards to Fox. Now Wallace has to take down his stupid clock. Say what you want, but Wallace showed Obama more respect than ABC did in that debate. He wanted to show that he was unafraid to go places where folks aren't exactly friendly towards him, and he succeeded, IMO.
Mon Apr 28, 05:23:00 AM 2008
rikyrah said...
3. I am kinda sorta getting annoyed with Obama and I am not quite sure why. I really want this primary to be over. I feel fatigue.
I think it's fatigue, because you know that this is only a media creation - this 'contest'. That it has no basis in actual FACT. That would begin to annoy anyone, and if Obama actually pointed this out, he'd be the ' arrogant' one trying to push out ' Poor Hillpatine'.
Mon Apr 28, 05:25:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
rikyrah, while I don't disagree with all of that, Obama can't afford to take his ase for granted either.
IF he shows up in Philly more than once, shows up in Montgomery county more than once, he could've close the gap or flatout won the state.
He lost by 200,000 votes. That could've been made up in the most populous part of the state and Hillary Rodhan Nixon would be in the process of being forced out by her own people right now.
Mon Apr 28, 05:25:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
I had no problem at all with the Fox interview from either Wallace's or Obama's perspective.
Remember, Wallace was the one who told other Fox talking heads that they were being ridiculous earlier in the campaign.
Mon Apr 28, 05:28:00 AM 2008
Teacher said...
Wright is all over CNN this morning. I haven't seen any of his recent speeches, but I'm glad to hear they seem favorable to most. I wish he would have had the LOVE for Obama to abstain from self-defense until the nomination is wrapped up. To me, his self-defense tour is ego based.
I'm tired of this drawn out process too, but still caught up in it. It's perverse.
I'm thinking that the only way we can affect national change is with the finances.It seems like we will have to sacrifice, individually & collectively, personally and nationally, whether we like it or not.I like boycotting. I think it's good to be financially selective. That said, Cnn just announced that credit cards are raising rates. That stinks.
Ron Paul says he would get rid of income tax. Hmmm.
Mon Apr 28, 05:29:00 AM 2008
N. Mahana said...
Well the media obviously didn't get the memo and THEY are wright-boating Obama already. So obviously it's clear they do not care that the NAACP and African-Americans may agree with Wright. Their focus is that whites middle class and poor will not.
However it seems more like they are telling them that they won't by their selective soundbits (i.e. the comments he made about JFK and President Johnson's accents being different not wrong).
I like and respect Rev. Wright and I think it's not about Obama or this election. I think if we shut him down, we shut ourselves down. This is a moment to have an honest discussion about these issues in this country, because if we don't now...when will we?
Mon Apr 28, 05:30:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
MSNBC is showing those snippets out of context. I just sent them an email blasting them for it because the JFK LBJ speech patterns are not the crux of his remarks. They refuse to air the different is not deficient riff or his optimism that a change is gonna come and it's going to take people across divides to make it happen.
I hate the media.
Mon Apr 28, 05:34:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
the more Wright is out and about, the more this hurts Obama among all but his most ardent supporters.
This morning from Jim Geherty:
McCain, Up To Speed on the Latest Wright Sermons (U.S. Is Same as al-Qaeda, etc.)
The Obama campaign contends that John McCain has " broken his word to the American people and rendered hollow his promise of a respectful campaign" ... and apparently by his did this by agreeing with Barack Obama that Jeremiah Wright is a legitimate issue.
The statement that got Team Obama so riled up?
"Senator Obama himself says it's a legitimate political issue, so I would imagine that many other people will share that view and it will be in the arena," McCain said at a news conference. "But my position that Senator Obama doesn't share those views remains the same."
Apparently the Obama campaign expected John McCain to argue with Obama that his relationship with Wright wasn't a legitimate issue.
Also, note that McCain... okay, more likely somebody on his campaign... reads the Campaign Spot and/or listens to Hugh Hewitt, because McCain is now quoting the recently-discovered new recordings of Wright's sermons.
I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our Savior, I mean being involved in that. It’s beyond belief. And then of course saying that Al Qaeda and the American flag were the same flags. So I can understand, I can understand why people are upset about this. I can understand why Americans, when viewing these kinds of comments, are angry and upset. Just like they view Senator Obama’s statements about why people turn to their faith and their values. He believes that it’s out of economic concerns. We all know it’s out of a fundamental belief, a fundamental faith in this country and its values and its principles. Again, Senator Obama, out of touch. I can’t control, and will not in future, control. I will voice my opinion. And I will continue to say that I think that ad should not be run. But I won’t continue to try to be the referee here.”
Heh.
By the way, if I were on the North Carolina GOP, I would re-edit that controversial ad to include the audio of Wright declaring, "what we are doing is the same thing al-Qaeda is doing under a different color flag." If video of this sermon is not available, I would just use a photo of Wright — North Carolinians already know who he is by now.
Good news for Team Obama... Jeremiah Wright speaks at the National Press Club Monday morning at 8:30 a.m., and I'm sure during his appearance Wright will clear all this up.
Mon Apr 28, 05:48:00 AM 2008
B-Serious said...
"White people in this country do not like to hear certain things..."
@rhonda,
I hear you. But I say this. . .
TOO DAMN BAD! White comfort. White privilege. How privileged. . . the privilege to turn your back on the world, plug your fingers in your ears and say, "La la la. I don't want to hear it." How privileged. . . to construct an alternate reality despite the world around you.
Understand this. White folks' worlds would be unrecognizable if they were forced to base their lives on BLACK COMFORT. . . if black comfort had ultimate veto power. It'll never happen, but I wish someone would just stand up and tell some of these critics to just GET OVER IT.
Morning Joe raised an interesting question. . . Where is the endgame, here? Define that slippery slope that Jeremiah Wright poses to the American people.
Do you think Obama is a racist? No.
Do you think Obama hates white people? No.
Has Obama done anything to make you believe he hates white people? Hates America? No.
Are there ANY policy implications to infer from this Obama/Wright relationship? NO.
Okay. . . So WTF are people obsessed about?
Uncomfortable??? Hey, JOIN THE CLUB. Be uncomfortable. Let it burn. It's necessary. Discomfort encourages self-reflection and change. To avoid discomfort is to invite stagnation.
This is a pluralistic society (diverse groups coexisting in one common setting). It's very nature requires a certain level of discomfort. . . a certain level of compromise. . . a level of give and take.
I saw Wright's speech. He didn't say a damn thing that was untoward. It was a speech on change and diversity.
Listen, politically speaking, I don't like Wright's timing. But I ain't stuck on stupid. As said in Wright's introduction, this is bigger than Obama. Obama's the target. But the media has no problem treating black folk, black culture and black expression as collateral damage.
"Different is not deficient." That's all that brotha said. It was actually a very entertaining and light-hearted speech.
People better be careful what they wish for. Black folk straddle a fine line everyday. We all got a little bit of MLK on one shoulder and a little bit of Malcolm X on the other. . . a little bit of "we shall overcome" in one hand, and a little bit of "black power," in the other. Both are equally important to who we are as a people.
Now, we've been pushing our inner MLK through Obama for a while. Keep this up and Black folk are gonna start letting their inner Malcolm X out sooner or later.
This election could reignite black nationalism for an entire generation of African-Americans. Now, I always liked black nationalism. Black is beautiful to me. Let's have more of it.
Folks get sick and tired of biting their tongues. We get tired of turning the other cheek. This election awoke a sleeping giant.
Mon Apr 28, 05:50:00 AM 2008
Ronnie B said...
Teacher sez: I'm thinking that the only way we can affect national change is with the finances.
I don't disagree with you ... but I think that *we* can affect the most change through media control. Only when we have command of our image; our likeness; and our reality, will we be respected enough not to be reduced to sound bites and pundit quips.
Mon Apr 28, 05:55:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
I co-sign: B-Serious and I agree with your assertion Ronnie B.
Wright is a tranformationist!!! He is giving a voice to a form of black political thought that has been forcefully silenced. I'm so very happy and excited. It is the school of black political thought that has been over looked and ignored.
He is schooling these media people...they have to feel stupid. he is explaining himself and his church along with black liberation theology and the black church through his own words. He is also speaking out against the government. I think that this can help Obama big time.
P.S. Greta Van Sustren is sitting on the panel near Wright. She spoke so much shit about (I saw it on YouTube, I do not watch Fox)him. She has to feel dumb. She just has to.
Mon Apr 28, 06:24:00 AM 2008
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Mon Apr 28, 06:35:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
Jeremiah Wright: ‘We cannot see that what we are doing is the same as al-Qaeda, under a different color flag.'
"White people in this country" like me don't like hearing this not because I'm sticking by fingers in my ears and creating an comfortable alternate reality for myself, I don't like hearing this because I disagree with him!
This man's words are not the truth!
They are his opinion. They may be shared by many anti-war Americans, and black and white Americans alike. So be it. Everyone has a choice.
But this man is NOT helping Obama.
Ayers is NOT helping Obama.
Not too many people I know long to recreate the 1960s. Wright and Ayers are living in the past, trying to reshape and define America based on their old, tired, radical ideologies. They are free to speak and act as they choose, and others are free to agree with their perspectives. But I can speak with confidence when I say that they are out of touch with the vast majority of Americans, and their words only seek to divide and offer no hope.
This is counter to Obama's message.
Wright and Ayers are not inspirational figures. They are aging, pathetic, political retreads
seeking relevance as a new world is passing them by. They espouse a future of division, cultural and moral relativism and chaos.
Mon Apr 28, 06:38:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
Rev.Wright is CLASSIC!!! He does not give a damn. OMG.
Mon Apr 28, 06:39:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
Rev. Wright is not helping Obama.
He is making himself into a major campaign issue and he is bringing up all of the things that have made him a 'problem' for Obama.
And Obama declared that Wright is a 'legitimate political issue.'
"Obama’s pastor reminds everyone that his Trinity United years, with Obama in attendance, focused on dividing blacks and whites, McCain can unite Americans based on the American concepts of freedom and liberty. And thanks to Obama, McCain can specifically use Wright and TUCC as examples of the intolerance that holds us back."
Mon Apr 28, 07:00:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
Wright: The gift that keeps on giving:
From NRO:
"The audacity of Obama's speech on race was to embrace Rev. Wright more closely, not to distance himself from the "controversial" preacher. "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community," Obama said of Wright. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother…These people are a part of me."
He's gonna have a harder time continuing to embrace Wright after this morning's performance at the press club question-and-answer session. Wright is a continuing disaster for Obama."
Mon Apr 28, 07:04:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
Anonymous, please identify yourself, are you the same person?
Mon Apr 28, 07:07:00 AM 2008
rikyrah said...
Interesting read:
The Untold Story of How the Canadian Government Sabotaged Barack Obama
Mon Apr 28, 07:08:00 AM 2008
rikyrah said...
"Obama’s pastor reminds everyone that his Trinity United years, with Obama in attendance, focused on dividing blacks and whites,
Really?
Focued on dividing Blacks and Whites?
I think that would be a surprise to the Whites who have been in the congregation for years.
Mon Apr 28, 07:10:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
Rev. Wright doesn't care about Obama's electability. That much is clear.
But to suggest that he's made himself available for the Vice Presidency is tantamount to killing Obama's candidacy for real.
As brilliant as Wright is, I do not trust all of his motivations.
Of course he has to defend the Black Church. I get that. But to suggest that he's open to being veep is only going to hurt Obama's electability between now and the end of the primary season.
He appears to be competing with Obama and while that's his right, I don't like it.
Obama doesn't need another fight.
Mon Apr 28, 07:12:00 AM 2008
BigAssBelle said...
I wish he would have had the LOVE for Obama to abstain from self-defense until the nomination is wrapped up. To me, his self-defense tour is ego based.
to me, his get to know me not the bullshit tour is precisely what needs to happen now. he's making a clear separation between who he is, as former pastor of the biggest black church in chicago, and barack obama's candidacy.
two separate things. separate. that's critical.
Mon Apr 28, 07:17:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
"As brilliant as Wright is, I do not trust all of his motivations. "
I hear you to a point Craig. I believe that he stepping out and introducing himself, his church and who he is to the public is good.
He was joking about the VP thing, I think most people would view it as such but the "he's a politican" thing needed to be left out because we have a media who is waiting around ready to jump on just about anything.
However I believe that he has created a person that is seperate from Obama. He is also alloing people to judge him for who he is rather than the caricature portrayed in the media. I believe that those who will take offense will never think about voting for Obama and the rest are upset that they cannot continue to spout certain lies based on 30-40 second soundbytes.
I understand about Obama and everyone around him needing to walk a thin line however I do not think that this will hurt him. I also do not think that Wright has bad intentions.
Mon Apr 28, 07:29:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
Legitimate. Political. Issue.
Mon Apr 28, 07:30:00 AM 2008
B-Serious said...
craig,
If the media focuses on the veep line, I will officially lose ALL respect for humanity. It was clearly a joke.
Wright also made it clear that he is not a politician and is not running for any type of office.
People who cling to the viability of that line do so at the expense of all evidence to the contrary.
Might I add. . .It's a damn SHAME that we'd even have to worry about such a response.
Mon Apr 28, 07:30:00 AM 2008
Craig Hickman said...
b-serious, that's part of my point and a part of my mistrust.
Mon Apr 28, 07:33:00 AM 2008
B-Serious said...
Hey, U.S.A. Keep following the likes of Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News as your moral arbiters.
Talk about the Twighlight Zone.
I agree with those who are not sold on Wright's motivations. His timing is horrible.
However, as a larger issue, Rev. Wrights speech today was an excellent defense of the black church, black culture and self autonomy. In that respect, Rev. Wright made me proud.
Mon Apr 28, 07:40:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
I believe that those who will take offense will never think about voting for Obama and the rest are upset that they cannot continue to spout certain lies based on 30-40 second soundbytes.
_____________________________________
Only political junkies like us are really paying attention in depth.
Most people do not know Obama very well and Wright will continue to be linked to Obama as a 'legitimate political issue.'
Wright is continuing to bring up things that make him a real liability for Obama.
We live in a world of sound bites and short attention spans and Wright will dominate the week leading up to IN and NC.
How has Wright separated himself from Obama? He is always and forever, "Obama's former pastor, spiritual mentor and inspiration for the title of his book said, ...(insert controversial or offensive snippet here.)"
"I could no more disown him, than I could disown the black community..."
"...than my own white grandmother."
WrightObamaforeverlinkedaslegitimatepoliticalissue.
Mon Apr 28, 07:42:00 AM 2008
Webb said...
I'll take Reverend Wright anyday over Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, or fake Bosnian Snipers.
Atleast through these types of issues/discussions, America has the chance to evolve and maybe (just maybe) transform itself into a better country...as opposed to testing semen-stained dresses for presidential DNA.
I don't think this is an ego-trip at all. That man has worked longer than I've been alive to make this a better world. If it's really a free country, he should be able to say as much as he likes...even if it puts Barack in jeopardy.
Let there be 8 long-years of Wright-boating scandals...AMERICA WILL BE BETTER FOR THIS!
Mon Apr 28, 07:50:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
Some people feel that Rev. Wright was too over the top. I think that it would not hurt. He is now a more complex and interesting individual and each person will judge him accordingly. Many of the people, who are making all the noise are conservatives and vindicative Hillary supporters who have been obssessed with calling Obama- a muslim, Rezko and every other piece of non-sense propaganda.
However I feel that the media needs to stop focusing on him because this needs to be about the candidates. I think that Rev.Wright should not allow cameras in the room for his future appearances. We have heard from him and the media is obviously fascinated with him.
We need to deal with the issues that the candidates are talking about.
I was watching Howard Dean speak this morning, I really can't wait for this primary to be over.
I am truly fatigue. I believe that the media has had a lot to do with that.
Mon Apr 28, 07:52:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
Atleast through these types of issues/discussions, America has the chance to evolve and maybe (just maybe) transform itself into a better country...
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"Wright's speech on black-right brainers, white-left brainers — replete with bogus stereotypes and crude voice imitations — was about as racist as they come and at one time antithetical to what the NAACP was once all about. Again, the Obama campaign and its appendages have set back racial relations a generation. Just ten years ago, any candidate, black or white, would have rejected Wright making a speech about genetic differences in respective black and white brains. Now it's given to civil rights organizations by the possible next President's pastor and spiritual advisor — and done to wild applause for an organization founded on the idea that we are innately the same, while being gushed over by ignorant "commentators."
Between Wright's racism and hatred, and Obama's contextualization of what he has said, we have so lowered the bar that the next racist (and he won't necessarily be black) who evokes hatred of other races and then offers a mish-mash pop theory of genetic differences will have plenty of "context" to ward off public fury.
Orwellian times."
Victor Davis Hanson
Mon Apr 28, 07:55:00 AM 2008
Ronnie B said...
When the media rings the Rev. Wright "dinner bell", we've got to stop showing up to eat.
Let the white folks who need-a-reason, have Rev. Wright. Let them have it. But every time we talk about him; every time we place his words into their proper context, we allow for the enemy to live another day.
Mon Apr 28, 07:55:00 AM 2008
RhondaCoca said...
Webb-
I hear you, the public needs to hear what he said in his interviews and two speeches. It would give them a better understanding of who he is and it can work in Obama's favor. The public is actually not AS stupid as the media. My issue is that the pundits will influence some of the public as usual. We could have done without the Q&A; part because the media will be taking it out of context.
P.S. As for the swipe at Dick Cheney that people keep bringing up, so what everybody has said something about Dick Cheney. People are really looking for things and need to concentrate on the important issues. Dems do not like him and Dick Cheney was making fun at Rev.Wright at an appearance so hey!!
::::::::Primary fatigue..Primary Fatigue::::Primary fatigue:::
Mon Apr 28, 07:59:00 AM 2008
Anonymous said...
The Corportate Media is already running a Newsweek poll saying that Reverend Wright is "hurting" Obama.
Who did they poll, Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Sean Hannity,Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Rielly?
IT'S THE MEDIA!!
The Blackfaces on MSNBC (Dr.Susan Rice is the only name I can remember. The AA female TeeVee Talking Pundit head said that Susan Rice's voice was shaking with anger at Reverend Wright. The AA male TeeVee Talking Pundit head said that the Obama campaign should have given Wright at ticket to the South Pacific.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
Roland Martin is on CNN talking fast as usual. He said something about Wright staying in his place, I mean element. He really needs to slow it down.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
C-SPAN wins the award for stupid ideas today. During open phones after Wrights speech they had an African America line and a line for OTHERS.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
Reverend Wright stated some of his remarks were edited out of the Bill Moyers interview.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
What do you want to bet the National Press Club hates they invited those uppity N's to the Press Club? The moderator looked like she wanted to bust a cap on some people or send them to Gitmo.
IT'S THE MEDIA!
I like the way Reverend Wright stands up to the Corporate media. I'm getting annoyed at Obama because he doesn't stand up to the corporate media. I'm "annoyed" at the corporate media for attacking the black church. I'm annoyed at all the so called "Christian" politicians (Obama included) for driving the get away car."
Oh boy! I promised that I was going to get into this again. Obama is definately walking a fine line however I feel that he needs to be more pro-active that re-active. That is the issue. He is always on the defense and I do not think that he does a good job in that position except for a few times when he shot back. I like when he shoots back!!
I feel that Obama needs to stand up to certain people in the media and the Clinton campaign. Even though I understand the tight rope that he is walking. I feel that Clinton has so many unvetted issues that can paint her as a hypocrite in the first degree and he is not coming after her.
I believe that he has the nomination but he cannot get comfy.
why are you against "other black people?"
I'm conservative; my views run counter to a lot of other blacks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/28/jeremiah-wright-at-nation_n_98949.html
There is no longer an informed media that looks beyond "BritneySpears" methods of analysis. They thoroughly missed the opportunity to add any value or lack of value to the campaign, race relations, the church, etc. It was more like some childish rant "oooooooo! I'ma tell. . .Obama's gonna' be in trouble !" I ran away from the television screaming about how stupid the commentators were and are including: FOX, CNN (except Roland Martin and Soledad O'Brien)
Yes, I'm anxious as the long fight moves on. If only I could breath as well as Obama and his campaign headquarters.
Thank goodness the dinner discussion this weekend in a room full of black folks, was scintilating about a topic other than the primary politics. Gave me good fodder. It was all about whether or not getting an HBCU education is good enough.
As a grad of an "elite" majority school, I say hell yeah.
If for no other reason then to get the opportunity to simply be a student--and not a "black student".
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I don't know....saw his security personnel today while I was demonstrating at the NPC. They didn't look like NOI, and when we asked what their buttons on their suits said, we didn't get a straight answer.
"Ron Paul says he would get rid of income tax. Hmmm."
Hmm indeed. Have you heard about the Fair Tax proposal? If not, you should read up on it - and prepare to be blown away. Remember all that money you just paid the government? Imagine if all that money was yours! The benefits would be huge, and could actually pull us out of the recession we're in. The best part is that the government would be still fully funded - even without an income tax.
http://www.fairtax.org
In front of 30 television cameras, Wright's audience cheered him on as the minister mocked the media and, at one point, did a little victory dance on the podium. It seemed as if Wright, jokingly offering himself as Obama's vice president, was actually trying to doom Obama; a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.
Wright suggested that Obama was insincere in distancing himself from his pastor. "He didn't distance himself," Wright announced. "He had to distance himself, because he's a politician, from what the media was saying I had said, which was anti-American."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/roughsketch/2008/04/obamas_pastor_reignites_race_c.html
If Wright had gotten out of his car, I wouldv've debated him on the spot.
Anyone who would insinuate that we're a terrorist nation is beyond stupid. I guess fighting fascism and communism, liberating the Afghan and Iraqi people, and essentially providing for the world's security since....oh, about 1980, don't count for anything.
I wonder if Wright's qualified for "ex Marine" status yet.
Maybe "terroristic" is too strong, but are you going to look me in my "face" and tell me that all we are is "the great liberator"? That we have never done anything to anyone or any other nation that could be construed as "terrorizing"? That would take a seriously misconstrued view of history.
And I think there are several nations full of people would say the same.