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Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

justice58 — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:15:00 -0000

djchefron,

You beat me to it! :)

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

djchefron — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:06:00 -0000

Right now Dennis Kucinich is reading articles of impeachment on C-Span.Nothingds going to come of it but at least its in the record for history

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

honey01 — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:07:00 -0000

Just saw video footage on Keith Olberman of Bill Moyers putting the verbal smackdown on Faux News "ambush" reporter.

Hilarious. I heart Bill Moyers.

Honey01

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:13:00 -0000

Presidential Blood Lines

A Town called Dildo

One of the Oldest Bloggers in the World

Gore Vidal (Part 1)

Gore Vidal (Part 2)

SpaceShip Man

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:49:00 -0000

Democracy vs Sleep? The Greatest Thing Ever

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:52:00 -0000

djchefron,

The best thing that could have happened for John McCain's outreach to evangelicals has happened --the Democrats have settled on their most radical nominee in their history, and no evangelical who cares about abortion or same sex marriage or porn or religious freedom can be indifferent to the result of the fall vote.

Senator Obama's expressed admiration for Justice Ginsburg contrasts sharply with the admiration Senator McCain has expressed for Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito. With six justices aged 68 or older, the stakes for the future of the Supreme Court could not be higher. Evangelicals might have preferred a different Republican nominee and Senator McCain would be well served by a running mate with solid conservative credentials, but only MSMers scornful of the intelligence and judgment of evangelicals will conclude that more than a handful will sit out the election because they didn't get their first choice as the nominee.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

djchefron — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:46:00 -0000

McCain is in real trouble today on hardball Tony Perkins from focus on the family just said that Evangelicals are drawn to Obamas message.If McCain cannot get this vote like bush it will be a wipeout.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:36:00 -0000

Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?

http://www.americablog.com/...

Junglecat

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

djchefron — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:34:00 -0000

D This is the reality withyour so call ally
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Shiite cleric warns of popular uprising against Iraq-U.S long term agreement

Karbala - Voices of Iraq

Monday , 09 /06 /2008 Time 10:17:06

Karbala, Jun8, (VOI)-A renowned Iraqi Shiite cleric on Sunday warned that a popular uprising may erupt if Iraq signs the long-term agreement with the U.S .

The proposed security agreement would cover the status of U.S troops in Iraq, control of Iraqi airspace and immunity for security contractors after United Nations resolution governing U.S forces in Iraq expires in December.

Speaking to reporters and clerics in Karbala, grand ayatollah Mohammed Taqqi al-Mudaressi said “the proposed security agreement between Iraq and the U.S lacks the overall and in-depth vision of Iraq’s general affairs”.

The cleric expected “the agreement would fail if the details of the deal remained as they are in the current draft”, adding “ signing the agreement came while Iraq is deprived of sovereignty under chapter seven of (the Security Council charter).

He branded the agreement as “ a sort of US blackmailimg and a sword strangling Iraqis”.

“Infringing Iraq’s sovereignty would not be in the U.S interests as a superpower because the agreement humiliates people’s dignity, pushing them to uprise and to start a new cycle of violence”, he pointed out.

Iraq's independence is still limited by the legacy of UN sanctions and restrictions imposed on Iraq since Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in the 1990s. Iraq has been considered a threat to international security and stability under Chapter Seven of the UN charter.

Influential Shiite clerics in Iraq and neighbouring Iran oppose the deal and have called it a move against their religion.

They have vowed to stage protests to force the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to roll back the deal which is expected to be concluded by the end of July.

A declaration of principles was signed between U.S. President George W. Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in December 2007. The declaration was planned to be ratified on July 31, 2008 to be effective as of January 1, 2009.

The agreement governs the U.S. forces' presence in Iraq after the year 2008. This presence currently relies on a mandate by the UN, renewed annually upon the request of the Iraqi government.

The agreement will not valid unless it commands a national consensus and be approved by the Iraqi parliament and the presidency board.

Al-Mudaressi is a Karbala-based grand ayatollah and key cleric of religious Shiite authority that has a strong sway in Iraq.

Karbala, the second hold Shiite city after Najaf, lies 110 km south-west Baghdad

AM

...................................Before you start beleiving the war criminals who lied us into this debacle read what the shiites who are the majority have to say about it

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:30:00 -0000

Ms Martin
Not to mention the report about the administration blackmailing the Iraqi administration by holding hostage $50bn of Iraq’s money in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to pressure the Iraqi government into signing an agreement seen by many Iraqis as prolonging the US occupation indefinitely.

http://www.independent.co.u...

D,

We are NEVER going to have Iraq as an ally as long as we continue to occupy their land. If you want to grasp at straws in order to come to a different conclusion, knock yourself out.

Junglecat

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:25:00 -0000

C-SPAN callers post Hillary Speech part 1 of 3

C-SPAN Callers Post Hillary Clinton Endorsement Speech pt.1

I think the Democratic party has not done enough to diffuse the idea the primary wasn't fair. Some callers insist that caucuses are not legitimate.

One woman says Obama is not ready now but might be in 4 years. I wonder what he is expected to learn in 4 years. Maybe he can go to President school.

Another woman thinks if Clinton supporters are expected to support Obama, then Obama supporters should back Clinton for VP.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Ms.Martin — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:19:00 -0000

Didn't I just read or hear somewhere that Iraqi leaders are negotiating for less US presence in certain areas of Iraq?

What's that all about?

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

D. — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:16:00 -0000

djchefron,
Been there, done that.

(how many times have I said that here?)

Junglecat,

Note I said "turning into an ally."

And when the word of a tribal leader- whose movement is widely recognized as one of the turning points in Iraq-is placed against the word of someone who hasn't seen the country in 2 years...yeah, I go with the tribal leader.

It would be intellectually stupid not to.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Anonymous — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:02:00 -0000

D,
You really believe that Iraq is an ally based on the words of one tribal leader?

I know you are smarter than that. Stop being intellectually dishonest.

Junglecat

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

djchefron — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:58:00 -0000

d dont believe the hype.Have you ever read about the british occupation in the 1920's I guess you havent because if you did you would know we will never have "victory" as you neo cons like to say.And by the way before we went bumbling and stumbling into that helhole there was no Al quadia, Iran was contain by a hostile Iraq and more importantly over 4000 of our sons and daughters would be alive today.So you warmongers I say go sign up and go fight in Iraq if its that important to you

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Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:56:00 -0000

Trivia:

Hilarous Jamaican Pot Smuggling Attempt from 1979

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:44:00 -0000

ms martin,

Tha article asked "Where do Whites Draw the Line"

The article attempts to define 'too black' and yes I do think it is bs.

IMO Obama's success in winning over independent white voters lies in his success at defining himself as a 'moderate,' and politically 'non-threatening.'

http://online.wsj.com/publi...

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

D. — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:35:00 -0000

Iraqi Sheik Offers to Take Fight to Bin Laden

The leader of the tribal confederation that has fought to expel Al Qaeda from most of Iraq's Anbar province is offering his men to help gin up a rebellion against Osama bin Laden's organization along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

I'll be damned; Iraq's turning into an ally.

"The war is lost," huh?

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Ms.Martin — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:30:00 -0000

S

John McCain = YAWN

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Ms.Martin — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:28:00 -0000

S

I see you're not going to answer my question about what black or too black is and you certainly must have an opinion, otherwise you wouldn't have referenced too black and too radical. You know it's bullshit though, that's why you won't even bother defending it. It's the typical bs rhetoric you repukes use to try and win votes. Now that is racist. Take advantage of the negativity spewed upon one group = racist.

Also, what about being a prisoner of war, whore and war monger certifies one to be POTUS?

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:04:00 -0000

McCain's first general election ad.

JOHN MCCAIN: Only a fool or a fraud talks tough or romantically about war.

When I was five years old, my father left for war.

My grandfather came home from war and died the next day.

I was shot down over Vietnam and spent five years as a POW. Some of the friends I served with never came home.

I hate war.

And I know how terrible its costs are.

I'm running for President to keep the country I love safe.

I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:02:00 -0000

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with being old? No.

But this is funny anyway, 'cause McCain is such a jerk and calling your wife a "c*nt" is a no-no!:

John McCain is OLD!!!

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

TruthSeeker — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:53:00 -0000

"Get Whitey" convention:

Getting Whitey: Michelle Obama's Secret Negro Agenda

and....

Be Not Afraid ;-)

"Whitey" tape doesn't exist:

Everything's Gonna Be All White

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:48:00 -0000

djchefron,

I really just can't buy into your wild claims and gross exaggerations. Your extreme characterizations undermine your arguments. Can you cite any example of a serious violation of a fellow American's civil liberties as a result of our government's action regarding listening to telephone conversations?

d,

I'm with you. Your response is thoughtful and logical.

Re: Monday Open Thread – How was the weekend?

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:00 -0000

djchefron,

Again, this is vacuous Dem slogan.

I do not accept the premise that the money spent on Iraq can be better spent here at home.

I support spending money to fund our troops so that they can succeed in a mission that keeps us safe from domestic terror attacks and promotes a free, stable Iraq.

'Throwing money' at a problem alone will not achieve equality, assure justice or prompt meaningful reform.

How we choose to spend the money, and how responsible we are with it, both at home and abroad is more of a concern to me.

For example, how does pandering to teacher's unions about 'more pay' improve access to quality education or hold poor teachers accountable for the miseducation or non-education of our children?