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Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:41:00 -0000

nquest,

You seem to be more interested in making snarky comments than engaging in a dialogue or debate.

Good night.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:37:00 -0000

Does this sound like a woman getting ready to bail?

Quote: “Tomorrow is the last day of the primaries and the beginning of a new phase in the campaign. After South Dakota and Montana vote I will lead in the popular vote and Senator Obama will lead in the delegate count. The voters will have voted and so the decision will fall to the delegates empowered to vote at the Democratic Convention.”

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:09:00 -0000

Ha! Kiki was mortified!

Who are they trying to kid anyway? Sexual predators don't change their ways just like that. We know Bill's been up to no good.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:07:00 -0000

truthseeker,

among the MANY lies told by Camp Hillpatine, the biggest had to be that she was ' truly vetted'.

BULLSHIT!

5 Things. Don't even count Bill's below-the-belt-extracurriculars.

1. Full revealing of ALL her earmarks.

2. What's in the 18 million LEFT OUT of the tax returns?

3. What's in the Ron Burkle Partnership? What did he have to do to get it?

4. Donor list for the Clinton Library

5. Donor list for the Clinton Foundation

Those 5- and the GOP wouldn't even have to tell us whose been flying with Bill on those private planes.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:03:00 -0000

See, I thought the picture was so cute. Awe.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:01:00 -0000

Ed Schultz TOTALLY THREW DOWN on Larry King.

Might I say that I was LMAO with Hill Harper. I love him. I'll say it:

'Clean, neat, crisp....AND A FLAG PIN'

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Go Hill!

I LOL just thinking about it.

But, Ed Schultz just threw down completely.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Nquest — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:53:00 -0000

THE BLACK MONOLITH by S, the deaf conservative:

(()) Until black people CHOOSE party affiliation based on their INDIVIDUAL reasons and impulses

(()) As long as black voters continue to buy into that, many will have to lead a 'political double life.'

(()) Black voters have a choice and they choose not to exercise it.

Why, S, you seem to speak as if Black voters are a monolith.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Nquest — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:49:00 -0000

nquest,
You seem to speak of the concerns of blacks in monolithic terms.

S, you ARE a stupid mf scramblin', trying to find a point like a starved squirrel trying to find a nut. What that you say?

Monolith??

You're the "your party" mf who throws that sh*t out like the old standard "you people." So stop trying to project your f-ck ups on me.

How the hell you're going to try to pin some "monolith" stuff on me when I stated how I guess you're not a BOOKERISTA?

BOOKERISTA = people who are, per the Booker Rising blog, "black moderates and black conservatives."

I also mentioned Black Republicans Lynn Swann and Wayne Perryman, the author of the book Unfounded Loyalty: An In-Depth Look Into The Love Affair Between Blacks and Democrats.

Those things and the very explicit fact that I used the phrase "THE BLACK POLITICAL CONSENSUS" makes your statement fraudulent and questions like this:

Do all black people have the same political priorities?

Utterly STUPID and baseless! S, you are the dullest knife.

Goodbye.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:24:00 -0000

Ben Smith @ politico.com:

A Clinton donor tells me that on a conference call today with major fundraisers this afternoon, Harold Ickes told them Clinton isn't planning to drop out. He pressed donors to stay unified, and reviewed tactical options, including challenging the Michigan delegation.

State finance committees are also circulating letters to deliver to Clinton tomorrow in New York, and I've obtained a draft of the Illinois finance committee's letter, being circulated by a Clinton fundraising aide, Rafi Jafri, which stresses a fight until the convention, and a resolution in "August, and no earlier."

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:16:00 -0000

In a year that for historical and contemporary reasons should be a Democratic shoo-in, the Democrats have nominated about the only candidate who can lose in November.

Why?

I just don’t see how such an inexperienced candidate can rein in his wife, curb his own slips, monitor all of his past dubious role models, and avoid the growing divide between utopian rhetoric and pretty 'typical politician' tactics and embarrassing past associations. And I don’t think he has yet to figure out that Republican and independents' unhappiness with Bush’s spending, appointments, and inability to articulate a message, and defend himself does not really equate to a desire for billions in new taxes and unworkable new programs.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:13:00 -0000

Val,

Hi. Barack deserves to be able to declare victory. If he doesn't reach the number by tomorrow, he might not get that chance. Really, should the Superdelegates be making all their decisions based on what Hillary and her supporters will think?

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:07:00 -0000

Ed said a either a (Senator or aide) told him that they can't leave Bill in a hotel lobby by himself.

So, it's the night before the last primaries for Obama and Hillary, and what is the MSM talking about? BILL!

It's becoming apparent the Clinton's haven't been vetted. The GOP had no idea on how to attack Obama until Hillary showed them how. Republicans would be so happy to have Hillary on the ticket! They'd use Billary to take him down.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Val — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:03:00 -0000

Hi Truthseeker - I watched MSNBC tonight and they discussed the superdelegates trickle. It was said they want to let the primary run it's course so there would be nothing else for Hillary and her supporters to dispute.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:54:00 -0000

Ed Schulz is throwing down on Larry King. Everybody talks about Hillary getting respect. What about Barack's respect for running a masterful campaign? He is so far ahead, he can afford to stop competing with her for the last 4 contests and turn his full attention to McCain. But here's Kiki and co. on Larry King talking about the last 2 contests. I suppose they're emboldened by the SD's not coming out in force today.

Where the f*ck are the superdelegates??!

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:21:00 -0000

rikyrah,

In their view, the fact that a young male upstart was able to leapfrog over an older woman who had 'paid her dues' is in and of itself sexist.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Val — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:20:00 -0000

D - I read both articles and my answer is NO. Not worth it.

Here are a few articles of my own.

Marine 'lied' over Haditha deaths

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

The Iraq war: Counting the cost

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

Toxic world fallout from Iraq invasion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

Excerpt:However, even if the war turns out to be "winnable", its critics dismiss any suggestion that it was "worth it".

Struggle for Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

Val — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:44:00 -0000

Hey Rikyrah - that picture is pretty scary. lol

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:41:00 -0000

Hilary Rosen is on Campbell Brown saying Hillary has lists of SD and she'll be in NY tomorrow calling them because she wants them to personally justify the decision they're about to make.(paraphrasing)

So I guess she'll try to intimidate them from coming out for Barack tomorrow.

Gloria Borger, Hilary Rosen and Campbell are asking Roland(sole male and black) why Obama is limping across the finish line. Roland explains that some states are tailor-made for certain candidates. No one questioned why Hillary did so poorly in States Obama won blow-outs in.

It felt like a set up of the 3 white women. Of course, they had to show a clip of Pfleger. I wonder if they notice that Pfleger is white? They always seem put out by the congregation cheering in the background but not so much by Pfleger himself.

Despite all the preparations to the contrary. Hillary is not entirely done fighting. She will browbeat the SD's right to the last second. She can't convince them to endorse her, but she'll try to prevent them from coming out for Barack and delay his victory.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:29:00 -0000

d,

fiscally liberal.

d,

I also don't think I'm an oddity. Black folk are the most conservative - socially - portion of the Democratic Party.

This is my position on guns, and a lot of the Black folk I talk to agree.

I'm not for taking anyone else's LEGAL guns from them.

I just want to know why these legal gun owners allow the scumbags to hide behind them and pimp them the way that they do, by hiding behind the mirage that if you have some registration of firearms, the world will come to an end.

I am against semi-automatic weapons though. The only point of them is to kill a whole lot of people. Only law enforcement should be able to have them. Anyone who pretends that they need them for hunting is a LIAR, because you wouldn't kill an animal with such a messy weapon.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

D. — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:15:00 -0000

Rikyrah,
So,then-considering what you believe-why are you a democrat?

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:08:00 -0000

Pamela,

I really appreciated you pointing out your political preferences.

I'm a Democrat, mostly. Though I believe I'd be happier being an Indenpendent.

Socially, I'm pretty conservative.

I don't have a gun, but will not take others and believe that gun laws only help the criminals.

I believe strongly in the institution of marriage, and how the lack of respect for that institution has harmed our community a great deal.

Abortion - I believe in a woman's right to choose, though I believe it her RESPONSIBLITY not to place herself in that position.

Gay rights - sort of middle of the road but completely against amending The Constitution with the DOMA. Don't mess with The Constitution.

I really appreciated your explanation of your political thought process.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:02:00 -0000

Clinton is known to want Obama to help out black officials who endorsed her and are now taking constituent heat, including, in some cases, primary challenges from pro-Obama politicians.
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Hell to the naw. Obama should not endorse anyone and let the chips fall where they may. You had black Clinton surrogates sitting on CNN, etc. aiding and abetting the race baiting, in some cases actively participating in it (Tubbs Jones), but Clinton wants Obama to "save" them? So they can sabotage him from the halls of Congress? No, if the will of the people is that Tubbs Jones and her ilk have to be swept away, so be it. I'm not mad that they supported Clinton; that's their right. I'm mad they sat back while she and her campaign all but said the N-word and they just laughed and cackled and defended that crap like they were the 2008 version of ManTan and Sleep N Eat. Naw, they gotta go. Good riddance.

I'm with Town on this.

Obama needs to stand on the sidelines and let Black folk take care of the Clinton Negroes - PERIOD.

ESPECIALLY the ones who aided and abetted in the racebaiting, though all of them need to be hung out to dry.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

TruthSeeker — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:02:00 -0000

Bill Clinton is having a meltdown. He's saying now that Obama is having others smear Hillary...I guess Vanity Fair, etc.

I can't see how he can go from wild accusations to campaigning for Barack.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:00:00 -0000

s said...
nquest, rikyrah, d, et al,

Sexism does not need to actually exist in this primary, in order for women to feel that Hillary has been treated unfairly.

dear s,

See, the reason I don't buy the ' sexism' whining is the following:

1. She had more advantages than ANY modern political Presidential candidate (even George W. Bush, because say what you want about Bush 41, he simply didn't get involved in 43's campaign the way that Bubba did Hillpatine's).

This includes ALL THE MEN WHO PRECEEDED HER in trying to get the Presidency.

2. Her willingness to play the White Woman Victim DECK -- not card, DECK.

3. We have a ClintonAttacksObama Wiki Incident Page that is up to FIFTY.

FIFTY.

I challenge ANY Hillpatine supporter to be able to compile a ClintonSexismWiki with 20 incidents, let alone 50. AND, I'll add that they can't find FIVE coming from the Obama camp.

Re: Monday Open Thread – It’s a New Week!

rikyrah — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:53:00 -0000

is bob barr passing

Hell yeah, he's passing..LOL

This has been a debate for years.

But, Bob's got too many ' Negroid' features, if you know what I mean..LOL