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TruthSeeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:58:00 -0000

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Re: Most Folks Don’t Care About Rev Wright "Issue" & Want Superdelegates To Go With The People

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:00:00 -0000

After Obama wins the nomination maybe he can ask Bill Clinton 'Democrat Ambassador to the Heartland."

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:54:00 -0000

More on the economy from McCain. I wonder how this will play with white, middle-class workers:

From an interview with McCain adviser, Carly Fiorina: 'She told me in Illinois yesterday equipment manufacturer and huge exporter Caterpillar warned workers would be laid off if Congress didn’t pass the Colombia Free Trade Agreement. We talked about free trade and the Colombia Free Trade Agreement. Both Sens. Clinton and Obama have taken the Smoot-Hawley approach of advocating protectionism during an economic downturn and oppose the agreement. Fiorina told me McCain’s free trade stance “makes tremendous sense” because “free trade creates jobs at home.”

Yet global competition does cause workers to be displaced. Fiorina talked about one of the more interesting ideas McCain brought up in his speech yesterday: reforming the unemployment system. He calls for putting an employee’s unemployment insurance contribution into a personal account that could move with the worker to provide for living expenses and job training. While the idea sounded new to me Fiorina told me McCain has mentioned this many times before. Only now has the idea broken through.'

The longer the fight for the Dem nomination goes on, the more it hurts Obama. He needs to knock out Hillary soon!

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:45:00 -0000

Are we past the era of the 'killer gaffe'? It’s worth noting that past killer gaffes were rarely devastating at the time, and only irreconcilably associated with the speaker in hindsight – “I voted for it before I voted against it,” global test, “I took the initiative in creating the Internet”, Dukakis riding in the tank, his emotionless reaction to a question that hypothetically suggested his wife was raped and murdered, etc.

Come to think of it, what gaffe, story, or scandal has been fatal for any candidate this cycle?

We shouldn't expect Obama's poll numbers to suddenly tank. We who support him now are not going to be dislodged from his base of support; We can excuse and explain away a great deal.

But whether all of these gaffes, scandals, and revelations can eventually come together to form an unflattering, and defining portrait of the man... well, that's another question.

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:15:00 -0000

Mccain's age and Obama/Wright are general election issues.

Obviously, Dems will excuse the Wright 'issue' now.

Today, from Reuters/Zogby:

'McCain was seen as a better steward of the economy than either Democrat despite their repeated criticism of his economic credentials. He led Obama by 3 points and Clinton by 5 points on the question of who would best manage the economy.'

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Phia — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0000

"Oh, you mean in the same way that Obama embracing Wright will VISUALLY hurt him?"
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Yes, that's exactly what I meant, which is why he's polling within the margin of error in Pennsylvania and beating Hillary nationally by 10-13%

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:51:00 -0000

Bruce (Born in the USA) Springsteen just endorsed Obama - wonder if that will help with his patriotism? (ha ha)
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I was a union carpenter in the 80s and, though we all listened to Springsteen and Mellencamp (though personally, I was a Steve Earle man), none of us took their "man of the people" bulls**t literally. Everyone knew they were poseurs, hoping to get a little street cred by commisserating with the downtrodden masses, if never actually rubbing elbows with us. We all knew The Boss' lifestyle outstripped even our own bosses, by miles. And we know that the Barak Obamas and Hillary Clintons and John Edwards will never be anything more than tourists through our lives, gawking and pointing at our supposed misery, and never able to understand how we can suffer it.

Re: Most Folks Don’t Care About Rev Wright "Issue" & Want Superdelegates To Go With The People

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:44:00 -0000

I was pointing out how VISUALLY this would hurt him.

Oh, you mean in the same way that Obama embracing Wright will VISUALLY hurt him?

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Phia — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:17:00 -0000

anonymous @ 09:48:00 AM

"He was permanently debilitated during his time as a POW.

If Dems try to attack him on his age and health, voters will be reminded of his bravery and heroism as a POW. If he was able to endure torture and permanent injury he can certainly endure the challenges of the office of president.

This attack will also have limited appeal with middle-aged or older white men. Hell, thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and Viagra these guys are feeling more robust than ever!"

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I wasn't attacking his age or health, and I'm fully aware of his experience as a POW. I was pointing out how VISUALLY this would hurt him. Anyone with an IQ over 100 understands how lame and disrespectful it would be to target his health. However, that does not change the fact that having McCain standing next to Obama (damn near the picture of health) will cause voters some pause - in spite of the fact that part of McCain's strategy is to run with a younger attractive VP (ala Romney?). We are not electing a Vice President, but rather the PRESIDENT

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Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:16:00 -0000

And in what can only be seen as a message to the superdelegates who will likely decide who gets the Democratic nomination, majorities in all three states said they believe the superdelegates should back whichever candidate won the popular vote in the superdelegate's state. So much for the "vote your heart" argument.
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So Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardson et al. will be changing their votes?

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Ronnie B — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:16:00 -0000

McCain's age will be off the table because Obama won't even need to go there...just being who they are the age issue will be there.

True. Barack doesn't have to go there. And hopefully, he can even score a few points by complimenting McCain on how youthful and fit he is, etc., etc.

Yet isn't it ironic that of all the race-baiting that the Dem contest has seen, there's not been one instance of gender-baiting by Barack or his campaign?

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Texas Girl in L.A. — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:08:00 -0000

b-serious,

I wasn't planning on watching it either, but I know I will be popping in and out.

Olberman is going to have a bit by bit play right afterwards. I think I will be catching his run down of it.

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rikyrah — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:04:00 -0000

McCain's age will be off the table because Obama won't even need to go there...just being who they are the age issue will be there.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:37:00 -0000

I can't wait, I think SBO is goingn to bring his A-game.

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B-Serious — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:31:00 -0000

Hey guys,

Is anyone planning on watching tonight's debate?

I gotta be honest. I don't think I can sit through another one of these things.

I'm sure the pundits will be looking for yet another magical, "where's the beef," gotcha line. My guess is Hillary's got about 5 or 6 that she's ready to feed the crowd. Ugh! What was her last one: Change you can xerox? Good grief!

I'm gonna try to avoid watching it. But something deep down inside me knows that I won't be able to keep away.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:59:00 -0000

I would love to see Lieberman speak on behalf of McCain and remind the American public that he had to explain the difference between the warring factions in Iraq to him.

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:48:00 -0000

he doesn't appear to be in the best health and even walking appears to be a struggle for him
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He was permanently debilitated during his time as a POW.

If Dems try to attack him on his age and health, voters will be reminded of his bravery and heroism as a POW. If he was able to endure torture and permanent injury he can certainly endure the challenges of the office of president.

This attack will also have limited appeal with middle-aged or older white men. Hell, thanks to the miracles of modern medicine and Viagra these guys are feeling more robust than ever!

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Anonymous — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:42:00 -0000

All McCain needs to do to in been viewed by white, blue-collar Hillary supporters that he is an acceptable alternative. McCain is an acceptable Republican--a war hero and a reputed moderate. Both Democratic candidates, whatever their protestations, are seen as coming out of the party's liberal wing on guns and abortion. McCain has an opportunity to appeal to voters, like Catholic Dems, who are socially conservative.

McCain can also appeal to white Dems as either 'one of them' or as a father figure who understands their plight.

Agreed, female Hillary supporters will stick with Obama, but the white males voters will determine the outcome of this election.

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Admiral Komack — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:38:00 -0000

Lieberman willing to star at Republican convention

By Manu Raju

Posted: 04/15/08 08:06 PM [ET]

"Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), the Democratic Party’s 2000 vice presidential nominee, is leaving open the possibility of giving a keynote address on behalf of Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) at the Republican National Convention in September."

"Republicans close to the McCain campaign say Lieberman’s appearance at the convention, possibly before a national primetime audience, could help make the case that the presumptive GOP nominee has a record of crossing the aisle. That could appeal to much-needed independent voters."

"McCain has yet to ask Lieberman to speak, either in primetime or elsewhere, at the convention. But if McCain thinks it will help make his case for the White House, as some of his allies suspect, Lieberman would be willing to speak on his behalf."

http://hill6.thehill.com/leading-the-news/lieberman-willing-to-star-at-republican-convention-2008-04-15.html

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Admiral Komack — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:18:00 -0000

Thank you, b-serious!

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:16:00 -0000

Phia -

I agree, agree and agree.

Only I don't think he would force his beliefs on anyone through policy.

Hillary = more of the same. She was clearly pandering to the Jews with the Esther story.

I hope the Jews see her for who she is.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:07:00 -0000

Has anyone seen Obama's ad with the crowd booing Hillary - what's that all about?

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Phia — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:07:00 -0000

ms. martin,

YES, his answer re this issue at the compassion forum came across as truly heartfelt & thoughtful. It was really clear to anyone watching how his faith plays a role in his policies. I really didn't think a compassion forum was necessarily appropriate for a presidential campaign, but I think he did himself well. And was it just me or was Hillary rambling, and generally all over the place with her responses? No one called her on it, and the audience reaction to the candidates couldn't have been more stark!

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:01:00 -0000

I think McCain's stand on the right to choose will hurt him with Independents.

He took a firm stand on that on the tour. He even went so far as to say that he would not choose a running mate who was pro-choice. There goes the religion issue people will be clinging onto.

I'm of the same thought as SBO on the issue. The thought of anyone having to make the decision is difficult, but I don't want to be the one who tells people that they can't make that decision for themselves.

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Phia — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:55:00 -0000

The other problem with McCain (for those of us paying attention) is that he continues to carefully water down his policies in an attempt to hold on to the independent vote. As Obama stated, it took McCain 3 tries to figure out that government should actually be involved in finding solutions to this credit crisis we find ourselves in - particularly the subprime debacle. If that's how he's going to run his campaign in the general, he's in BIG trouble. And just the VISUAL of those two standing on the same stage will be remarkable. I like and respect McCain, but he doesn't appear to be in the best health and even walking appears to be a struggle for him