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Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

TruthSeeker — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:46:00 -0000

Obama put the blame for this directly on the Bush-McCain economic strategy. The current crisis, he argued, wasn't simply "some accident of history," or "an inevitable part of a business cycle." It was the "logical conclusion" of a "worn dogma" that has failed this country.

O-Force, I think you're the man, but this simply will not do. It is lyrical statement, pulsating with truth; however, you can't be talking to the average blue collar person like this and hope to get their bells ringing and lights flashing...sigh

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

TruthSeeker — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:18:00 -0000

anonymous 12:42.

Agreed. Onward to Armageddon? I say NO.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

Kat — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:44:00 -0000

Some may wish that faith and politics were separate, but they are not and have not been for ages.

I am tired of watching Democrats hand religious voters to the Republican party without so much as a peep. Many younger Christians are turning away from the "culture war" issues of their parents and are more interested in social justice issues. Obama should go after these votes.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

rikyrah — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 08:37:00 -0000

Anonymous, 12:42

The Democratic Party already has their own religious voters - the Black community, which is a large part of the religious Democrats.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

leneypoo — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:44:00 -0000

Can they really sue over a phrase from the bible? Jeez.

Anon, here's a good article about Obama, faith and politics.

It's very good.

What our deliberative, pluralistic democracy demands is that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals must be subject to argument and amenable to reason. If I am opposed to abortion for religious reasons and seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or invoke God's will and expect that argument to carry the day. If I want others to listen to me, then I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:42:00 -0000

This Joshua Generation Project and the introduction of faith into Left politics is what had me hesitating about Barack Obama.

Faith has no place in politics if you ask me. It can inform your decisions and your perspectives - that is simply unavoidable because we have to get our morals and values from somewhere. I have faith in human beings and existence for example. So I welcome people saying they have so and so position or view because of their faith. That is being transparent and we need more of that BUT it should end there and the core politicking - that is conversation and decision making has to be as close to faith neutral as possible. There has to be open and critical dialog. So people can own their faith and talk openly about what informs their views and positions but I cannot accept making a decision based on "Well, it's what God wants" or "I feel this way because I follow God's will". Appeals to an invisible and therefore unquestionable authority like that is totally undemocratic.

I really hope the Democratic Party remembers you can support human rights and humanity without being Christian.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

heartsandflowers — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:14:00 -0000

And when McCain starts talking about religion then Hagee and Parsley will and should come up. Also the mistreatment of the 1st Mrs. McCain - despite her 'support'. One of the reasons the 2nd Mrs. McCain files her taxes separately is so he can pay her less alimony. That isn't very Christ-like!

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:09:00 -0000

Read somewhere that this name is already being used by someone else and their lawyers are seeking to force Obama to cease and desist.

mikefromtexas

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

Ms.Martin — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:51:00 -0000

I heard Chuck Todd talking about the evangelical threat today. He said the loss of support from the angry feminist vote could easily be made up with evangelical support for Obama.

Interesting!

Of course, someone accused Obama of speaking about his faith so openly to appeal to these voters.

Expect McCain to begin speaking about his faith.

Re: Obama Campaign Will Launch ‘Joshua Generation Project’

BigAssBelle — Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:53:00 -0000

i want to live in a world where politics is about government and religion is personal and private. i am heartily sick of right wing religious zealots driving policy in this country.