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Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ms.Martin — Mon, 19 May 2008 19:20:00 -0000

D

What's backwards is that you warmongers would send the troops in without the proper equipment.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Admiral Komack — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:54:00 -0000

After you, d.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:20:00 -0000

Komack,
You do it an awful lot. And I'm guessing you have no military experience of your own to pull from.

But we'll use your logic here: if you'd rather not second-guess what you consider a "clusterfuck," STFU and stop talking about it.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Admiral Komack — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:01:00 -0000

"I'm certain you'll continue to second guess on the sidelines, however."

-Why would I want to second-guess a clusterfuck?

We shouldn't be there in the first place, but now we are there, an occupying power.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 14:06:00 -0000

Anon 10:48,
A tyrant.

Which is probably about the only rationale for going to Iraq that I think most people would agree on.

IMO, the reason we didn't go into Rwanda in 1994 has something to do with the results of our actions in Somalia the year before. We "cut and ran" then (even earned the "paper tiger" label from bin Laden), and weren't too willing to go back. Just my thoughts.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:54:00 -0000

Komack,
Been there, done that. Wanted to go back while I was in uniform. Would go back as a civilian.

I'm certain you'll continue to second guess on the sidelines, however.

Ronnie,

I said I didn't think she was. That's just my opinion. There's people on the right who say flat out that she is unpatriotic, and there's some who say flat out that she isn't.

If I wanted to call her unpatriotic, I would. However, I can't support that from this statement. So I take it as what I see it as: a comment that was not smart.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:51:00 -0000

d,

I stand corrected! lol

Now that you've made your point---move on!

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Anonymous — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:48:00 -0000

Anon 9:55,
I guess liberating the Iraqi/Afghan people and keeping this country safe from another major terrorist attack don't count, huh?

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Liberated from what?

If we are in the business of "liberating" people, why are we not down in Sudan and Kenya and Zimbabwe etc. "liberating" those people? Isn't Sudan a hot spot for terrorism?

Why didn't we help "liberate" Rwanda?

The only reason we went down to Iraq is because "dey tried to kill mah daddy -- GW Bush."

He gone, he dead --- so why the F are we still in Iraq?

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ronnie B — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:46:00 -0000

Ronnie,
Personally, I don't think so. That specific comment-as well as others-was ill-advised.

You know she's not unpatriotic, yet here you are--and perhaps elsewhere--advancing the very inference that she is.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Admiral Komack — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:41:00 -0000

Anon 9:55,
"I guess liberating the Iraqi/Afghan people and keeping this country safe from another major terrorist attack don't count, huh?"

-The Iraqi people weren't "liberated"; the US and the Coalition of the Billing occupied Iraq, and are still occupying Iraq.

d, if you think the war in Iraq is so wonderful, enlist, otherwise, STFU.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:37:00 -0000

Ronnie,
Personally, I don't think so. That specific comment-as well as others-was ill-advised.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:28:00 -0000

Ronnie,

I'm betting you won't get a straight answer from d! ;)

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ronnie B — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:24:00 -0000

Ronnie,
I don't think that all black people are unpatriotic. I know that patriotism does not require blind devotion as well. Having said that, I think some of us are too willing to put our individual problems before the good of the country...or put differently, we view the world through a narrow prism, and fail to see the "larger picture."

OK ... but is Michelle Obama unpatriotic?

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:20:00 -0000

Anon 9:55,
I guess liberating the Iraqi/Afghan people and keeping this country safe from another major terrorist attack don't count, huh?

One thing that kills me is how people always throw up the fact that the troops "don't have the...equipment they need" for a mission that 99% of you don't want them doing in the first place. Doesn't that seem a little backwards?

Ronnie,

I don't think that all black people are unpatriotic. I know that patriotism does not require blind devotion as well. Having said that, I think some of us are too willing to put our individual problems before the good of the country...or put differently, we view the world through a narrow prism, and fail to see the "larger picture."

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Anonymous — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:55:00 -0000

Ronnie,
I doubt seriously that this has less to do with Michelle as a black woman that it does with her showing a side that could be taken as being unpatriotic.

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The problem I have with this is there is nothing that Michelle Obama said that was "unpatriotic." A real problem I'm having is people have the attitude that if you criticize the country in any way (especially if you are non-white), you are "unpatriotic." If you question the country in any way, you are "unpatriotic." We saw it after 9/11, we saw it when this idiotic war started. Sounds more like the Soviet Union than the United States.

Iraq is an "unwinnable" war. There will never be any "victory" in Iraq because the goalposts for "victory" keep changing. Why are we there? Because of WMDs? There were none at the time we charged in, so why are we still there? To rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein? He's dead and gone, so why are we still there? To fight the terrorists? But they weren't in Iraq to begin with, they were and are in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Why are we still in Iraq? Nobody can give a clear answer as to why we are still there, which is why Iraq is an unwinnable war. McShame just said we "might" win in 2013. That means we'll have been in Iraq for 10 years. I guess there's still 90 years to go, huh?

But back to Michelle and her so-called lack of patriotism. I see nothing in the past few years to be proud of:

Letting thousands of American citizens die in floods, heat, etc. while you and your buddies sit around eating birthday cake?

25% of American adults are functionally illiterate?

The deficit has been ran up to the extreme?

Our hardworking American troops do not have the health care or equipment they need? Or trying to shut down their benefits when they come home?

The dollar is falling faster than a weave on a hot summer day?

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ronnie B — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:52:00 -0000

Ronnie,
I doubt seriously that this has less to do with Michelle as a black woman that it does with her showing a side that could be taken as being unpatriotic.

Well if she's proud of her country, what does it matter how or when she developed that pride? And why no benefit of the doubt in the first place?

That's why I say this is just an opportunity for some people to perpetuate the stereotype that Black people are less patriotic than others.

I'm disgusted with some of the Black folk who are helping to perpetuate this stereotype.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:30:00 -0000

d,

"I doubt seriously that this has less to do with Michelle as a black woman

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Please,d!

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

D. — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:22:00 -0000

Ronnie,
I doubt seriously that this has less to do with Michelle as a black woman that it does with her showing a side that could be taken as being unpatriotic.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ms.Martin — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:06:00 -0000

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Cindy situation is significant in that her husband intervened on her behalf and thwarted a federal investigation that could have resulted in a federal drug conviction among other things.

If a doctor involved with her clinic had not sued her for employment discrimination, we might know nothing about her illegal criminal activity that your average American would have certainly served time in prision for.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:06:00 -0000

"Michelle and Cindy are really insignificant when compared to the serious issues we face in this election.
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Sure! You're right! That's why we Obama Supporters have to work twice as hard with the GOTV, Phone Banking, Supporting Barack financially so he can put an end to McSame/Bush policies! Holla!

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Ronnie B — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:05:00 -0000

That's my point. This is politics. They knew-or, benefit of the doubt, should have known-what they were getting into, and the type of scrutiny they would both face. That is the nature of the business-however unfortunate it may be.

D~

All things being equal, you'd be right. But the salient point is that all things aren't equal. And that's why Barack flexed on some of those Repubs. Being critical of her political ideology is perfectly fair. But some of these people exploit the opportunity to belittle and demean a Black woman who has the audacity to buck her prescribed role, and speak without prompting.

Barack knows that they will do whatever possible to exploit people's stereotypical perceptions of over-bearing, big-mouthed Black women. And it was high time that he spoke up.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Mon, 19 May 2008 11:51:00 -0000

We have seen the Obama camp play fast and loose with the identity and role of its advisors. Robert Malley really wasn’t one, we were told. Zbigniew Brzezinski really isn’t that important, we’re assured. Austan Goolsbee really isn’t an official spokesman, you see. All of this sets up a fog of unaccountability and makes it virtually impossible to determine whether conflicts of interest exist, and more importantly who has the ear of the presumptive nominee. So much for a new era of transparency.

In the case of supposedly tainted legislative actions, the McCain camp has scrambled to demonstrate that McCain acted independently of any lobbying influence, in keeping with his own policy viewpoints and/or as part of a bipartisan effort. (Somehow we don’t hear much about Obama’s $1M earmark for his wife’s employer.) But Obama hasn’t done much of anything in Washington and hasn’t sponsored or participated in many legislative battles small or large. So his hands and his associations in Washington can remain relatively pristine. And he’s attempted to transform his paucity of experience into an advantage. McCain is a “creature of Washington,” he says. But what is he? What is his comparable record of accomplishment? What are the means by which we can assess his ability to withstand illicit influence?

This is an issue worth discussing. A the rest is just a 'distraction.'

Obama and his willing supporters in the media continue to gloss over gaffes and deflect serious scrutiny.

Michelle and Cindy are really insignificant when compared to the serious issues we face in this election.

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 11:51:00 -0000

ARP,

I know! Before Cindy McCain finally spoke out, I was wondering, what's wrong with this woman just standing there smiling & looking silly! lol

And then it was---she can talk! Who knew!lol

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

justice58 — Mon, 19 May 2008 11:46:00 -0000

d,

"What's up with trying to "bust" me, anyway? :)

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I'm not! You did it all yourself!lol

Re: Obama Draws Crowd of 75,000 in Oregon

Against Race Politics — Mon, 19 May 2008 11:46:00 -0000

Justice,

I thought it was hilarious that McCain allowed her speak that day just so she could say that!!