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I'm in L.A. Wish I could stop by to meet you.
I will be at the kick off tomorrow fired up and ready to go and register folks.
Our guest speakers include:
Kerry Washington
Stephanie Miller
Jasmine Guy
Jurnee Smollett
Tatyana Ali
And some local elected officials.
Will come back and right about the experience.....
Thanks for writing this up. I appreciate it, and I do believe Obama is planning for the future. It's amazing. So many folks mocked his ' community organizer' background, yet that education has been invaluable to him during this campaign.
He was joking right? Is this something that is usually done?
Can someone please explain why Obama would say he would consider paying off Billary’s campaign debts? I don’t care how deep in debt or denial Hillary is. I don’t want a single red cent of my donations to Barack Obama to go to Hillary to pay off her debts or buy her off. I didn’t donate anything to her because I don’t support her or her race baiting campaign.
If I hear of Obama paying her debts, I’m going to consider asking him for my donations back. I will not support her bad behavior. He can be gracious to her without rewarding her monetarily. He doesn’t owe her anything. As a millionaire she made the conscious decision to loan her campaign ll.6 million (and possibly more by now). I don’t believe he should pay her for continuing to kick him in the teeth.
I'd be cool with Barack helping to pay off the part of Billiary's debt that is not a function of her loaning her campaign her own money.
I could be cool with that also. But I sure didn�t want to pay off her loan to herself off. (Rudy didn�t give McCain the headache that she is giving Obama.)
He can, however, if he chooses, hold fundraisers for her.
I would LOVE to know what he thought of this mess...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_2
"Obama told reporters it was premature for him to talk with the Clinton camp about possibly helping her retire her multimillion-dollar campaign debt, much of it from Clinton's personal loans.
Asked if he might consider such a move later, Obama said: "Historically, after a campaign is done and you want to unify the party, particularly when you've had a strong opponent, you want to make sure that you're putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can work to win an election in November. And so obviously I'd want to have a broad-ranging discussion with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about the process and have her on the team moving forward."
She is crazy and bitter and will not stop until the bitter end. It's not just her, her and Bill are partners in this thing.
I do believe Camp Obama is under no illusions that Hillpatine is going to actually go 'all out' for him. The whole thing is her supporters. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: her supporters have no LOGICAL reason to hate on Obama. He's given them absolutely NO reason, other than his existence. He's hoping if he's seen a magnanamous towards her, maybe a few of her thinking supporters will stay with the party.
I agree with you about them being crazy and bitter, but Obama has to give the appearance of being generous, for the party's sake.
... downfall"
Normally this kind of satire is so-so at best but I couldn't help uncontrollably LOL'ing through the whole thing. Enough hilariously outrageous quotes in there to fill a whole afternoon.
BTW to anyone who hasn't yet-- please call/write any of your representatives who's a fence-sitting superdelegate, or one still backing Hillary, and urge them in the strongest terms to finally back our nominee Obama. This isn't like Huckabee running a positive-toned campaign here, this is Hillary pulling out all her gutter stops, and doing irreparable damage to the Democratic Party at all levels with her repulsive campaigning.
For the sake of the party's viability, we need to finish things up and back our nominee, and start the real fight against the GOP. Please contact your representative and the DNC, politely but firmly, and let them know it's time to end this charade, and commence the fight with Obama as our general!
Another problem I have-- Obama is an unprecedented candidate in the extent to which his campaign is funded by small donors. Almost every small donor I've spoken to would be furious at Obama for paying off Hillary like this, especially since so much of the money would be going to pay off Mark Penn.
Furthermore, it wouldn't at all appease Hillary, not by any stretch-- she'd just pretend to mend fences, then just take the money Obama provided to her and use it to attack him further. It's thoroughly naive to trust Hillary.
A better idea, would be for Obama to sponsor some fundraisers to help pay off at least a portion of Hillary's debt-- with clear knowledge among donors that this is the purpose in mind. That way, donors know what their money is being used for, and Hillary gets some financial help.
But Hillary and Bill are worth more than $100,000,000, so I'm not crying them a river. Just start up some basic fundraisers for Hillary and be done with it from there, but Obama should not use one cent from his coffers to pay off Hillary's debts. He needs to use his war chest in the competition against McCain, and helping Democrats downticket in Congressional and state competitions.
Obama should layout what he expects Billary and her campaign to do before he agrees to pay any of her debts. Then payment should be contingent on her delivering the goods. Nothing should be paid until after the elections in November. You are right she is not to be trusted.
Which I guess would be okay because I have the choice to not give Senator Clinton one cent.
Hillary says she is still in the race and fighting. So accordingly she is not post-partisan yet. Anyone voting for McCain is voting for Bush's third term. But, vote your civic and economic interest, I am.
Difference between Bush and McCain
http://Bush-McCainChallenge.com/?rc=challenge-friends&r;_id=12561-9068505-dNfUJO
I am an Obama supporter but was on the Hillary website just to see what her supporters think. I like to hear both sides of the story. Unless there is a miracle, it seems that it will be really hard to get them to come aboard for the general. Will be interesting.....
Any thoughts on how this can be accomplished?
The best way to bring everyone together is to give people time. Right now everyone is extremely invested and tensions are at their highest. The more time people get used to Obama and the more time people realize that McCain is not a viable alternative, the better.
If you like Mexican food, go get your grub on at Pancho Villa's. Best burritos and nachos in Northern Cal.
If he's even thinking about doing this, he'd better make her honor her side of any agreement before he honors his.
We've seen this before; they promise; we comply; they betray us and tell us "wait 'til next time."
No more of that shyt. How many times to we have to be Charlie Brown and hope Lucy will hold the football in place for placekicking?
If I were Obama, I'd adopt the Colin Powell "Pottery Barn" rule:
HILLARY BROKE IT; HILLARY PAYS FOR IT. 'NUFF SAID.
Personally I think what is $25M to someone that has $109M? Two more speeches from Bill and her debt is paid off.
Something he finds all too hard to do when it comes to Black people, Rev. Wright in particular.
Amazing!
Yes! I went there...
Send this on...it is a story of a wonderful woman.
"FYI, I really enjoyed this article re Obama’s mother. I think Goodman makes an excellent point. Obama has a unique story to tell about his mother. I think it could be done poignantly.
Ellen Goodman
Sharing dreams from his mother
Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham pose with daughter Maya Soetoro and son Barack Obama in an undated photo. (Family photo via Bloomberg News)
Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By Ellen Goodman
May 9, 2008
FROM time to time during this primary, I've wondered about Obama's mama. In a race that was so much about biography, about beliefs rooted in her son's "DNA," she's made only cameo appearances.
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She was the "mother from Kansas" balanced alliteratively with the "father from Kenya." Or she was the white parent whose genes combined with the black parent. Or she was the woman dying of cancer "more worried about paying her medical bills than getting well." And on Tuesday night when her son all but sewed up the nomination, she appeared again as the "single parent who had to go on food stamps at one point."
I have been thinking of her not just because it's nearly Mother's Day but because Obama will soon have to reach out to Hillary Clinton's supporters, especially to women of a certain age who attached their hopes to having a woman in the White House. Obama has not yet had a "gender conversation" with those women.
What better link does he have than his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, the girl whose own father expected and wanted a boy child? Ann Dunham, a nonconformist, a woman of the world who traveled a trajectory of change so associated with Hillary's generation?
Last week, my eye lit on an odd correction in The New York Times. It read: "The assertion that Mr. Obama had 'never known' his Kenyan father should have been that he had 'barely known' him." Surely it was a distinction without a difference.
It's no surprise that Obama wrote an entire memoir dedicated to his "barely known" parent: "Dreams from My Father." It was only after his mother's death that he wrote in a new preface, "I think sometimes that had I known she would not survive her illness, I might have written a different book - less a meditation on the absent parent, more a celebration of the one who was the single constant in my life." He added that "she was the kindest, most generous spirit I have ever known, and that what is best in me I owe to her."
From all accounts, this daughter of a family that kept traveling west in restless pursuit of the American dream took no part in Eisenhower-era conformity. She was a teenager in Hawaii when she fell for the charismatic Kenyan in her Russian class and married him six months before her son was born. This was a time when interracial marriage was still illegal in parts of the country.
The rest of the story is known: a divorce, a marriage to an Indonesian, a second divorce. She was a mother who kept her children focused as well as fed. But what's less known is the woman in her own right, the one who became an anthropologist, the woman who spent years as the respected head of research for Women's World Banking, bringing micro-financing to poor people in Indonesia.
Nancy Barry, who was the head of Women's World Banking and knew Ann well, has been bewildered by the way she's been reduced to a stick figure. "She was stubborn, hard core, decisive, convincing, deep-thinking, rigorous in her analysis," says Barry. "When I hear Barack talking about how we are not red states, blue states, but the United States, I think he gets that from his mother. The other core capability he gets from her is the desire for healing."
Indeed, the Obama we see may be the offspring of "Dreams from My Mother."
If Ann were alive today she would be the age of Hillary Clinton's most devoted demographic. She would be among those women who have gone through enormous transitions, making and remaking the female script. Dreaming big.
I am not suggesting Obama drag out his mama as a prop. But he's staked his case for the presidency on his ability to bridge racial, cultural, party divides, to lead a post-partisan America. Now he's faced with another divide: women who identified their success with Hillary's and who are unsure they will vote for him.
What better way to begin reaching out, holding the 'gender conversation,' showing women he "gets it" than by sharing the dreams he inherited and the dreams he understands. The dreams from his mother. A girl named Stanley.
Ellen Goodman's e-mail address is ellengoodman@globe.com."
And as other commenters here have pointed out, if Obama did this, it would help him with some Clinton supporters.
Giving Hillary the vice presidential spot on the ticket is a different matter entirely. I definitely would vote for McCain.
I'll be very happy to vote for Obama, assuming his running mate isn't Hillary Clinton.
thank you for that story about Barack's mother. People have commented that he doesn't talk about her very much. I think because it's just so personal for him. Others have said that he's the first ' feminist' President, because he was raised by a fierce feminist. He obviously has no problem with smart, independent women. His grandmother, mother, sister and wife are all strong, independent, capable, smart women.
I believe his mother is his guardian angel looking out for him.
Do you believer what she says?
if she told me water was wet, I'd have to verify it first.
Lastly, SBO has a wonderful woman who stands beside him as a testament to his appreciation for the intelligence, brilliance and the importance of women.
Michelle Obama has been given a critical role in this campaign. As evidence of how truly progressive SBO is when it comes to women’s significance in life. If the Hillary Clinton supporters do accept an outstanding wife, mother and accomplished professional women like Michelle Obama then to hell with them. I will make it my life’s mission to register enough voters to make up the difference…at least here in Georgia.
God bless and goodnight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFZL33nPoEU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
The URL listed below has a good story about how politicians/super delegates fall so far.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/5/10/13921/7570
Party Like It’s 2008
And, from Open Left
Wow, We Nominated the Black Guy
Mr. Cool's Intensity
Would you guys please consider posting an open thread for the weekend?
Thanks for the consideration.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052
"Feminists for Peace and Barack Obama!"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NYfeministsforpeace?e
I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to add your signature, too. It's free and takes less than a minute of your time.
Thanks! and let others know if you think they would be interested.
I saw that video. I couldn't believe. Not sure what to think.
The writers decided to denounce and reject racism.
It was so true, it wasn't funny.