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It is obvious that he runs the risk of alienating the 'black community' if he completely separates from Wright. Many blacks share the rationale behind Wright's comments and they want Obama to validate them.
Most everyone else is uneasy.
To call Wright 'brillant' but 'caught in a time warp' is a comment that will only allow uneasy voters to ask 'Does he really believe his pastor? 'Is he really just playing us?'
No it's NOT your imagination! I thought she and Elizabeth were extremely hostile and was not duly respectful of a sitting Senator. Hasselback's interruptions and tone were completely inappropriate! And it didn't escape me that she kept the Senator at arm's length when he attempted to hug her. Fuck those bitches!
P.S.: The only thing I will give her credit for is that she read the full quote of Reverend Wright's statement about Italians. Most networks abridged it by cutting of the 'Galileans' so that they could create a false story that he was slurring Italian Americans. He was "slurring" ancient Romans, not modern day Italians or Italian Americans.
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Good. A candidate that makes you think. That doesn't give a pat answer about a complex issue just to make an uneasy voter comfortable.
It's called integrity.
There is no evidence that Wright ever acknowledged that his comments were “inappropriate,” though that is an absurdly mild description of Wright’s comments. Moreover, it seems like just last week that Obama gave a major speech in which he said that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community. Indeed, it seems like only Tuesday that Team Obama was blasting Hillary Clinton’s comment that you choose what church you want to attend. Those statements appear to be no longer operative.
People like TNR’s Marty Peretz are probably wondering why they did not get the memo before praising Obama for sticking by Wright. Then again, Obama’s apologists should have known that Obama and Wright already had an understanding that Obama might have to distance himself from Wright.
While Pew and others ran polls which purported to show that Obama had “weathered the storm” over Wright, the internals of such polls consistently suggested that Obama had not put the issue behind him. Michael Barone noticed the erosion in state-by-state polls also.
Obama’s decision to wade back into the issue on The View suggests that his internal polling was not favorable or that he feared that people like Mickey Kaus will continue to point out that Obama was in fact drawn to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago because of Wright’s blaming ”white greed” for the world’s sins, that his answers to questions about Wright and Trinity have been inconsistent at best, and so on.
So Obama makes his second run at the problem on The View — a show with the intellectual depth of a small soap dish – confident that serious questions on the topic will not be asked. Should such questions ever get asked, Obama will likely point to The View to claim he answered them.
you should read this:
http://www.counterpunch.org/wise03182008.html
Am I the only Black person who's heard WORSE things about America than what Jeremiah Wright said? By family and friends? And you sit there, and depending upon whether or not you want to debate, you either get very involved in the drink you have, the book you're reading, pray for someone else to change the conversation, etc.?
Or am I the only Black person this has happened to?
I don't think so, and it seems to me, everytime, the most middle of the road, benign Black commentators on tv tried to tell their White compatriots such, they were dismissed and ignored. Does it really bother White folk that some Black folk talk this way?
Obama stated two conditions for not feeling comfortable staying at his church. The first was if Wright didn't retire. The second depends on the first. If Wright didn't retire AND he didn't take responsibility for his statements, then Obama wouldn't have felt comfortable staying in the church.
Since Wright retired, the second condition is moot. I can understand how difficult that is to understand, especially if you don't like Obama, but it's a fact.
Reading comprehension 101 is now over.
If Barack Obama had left the church (and again, his language tell us that he would've been uncomfortable staying, not that he would've left - a big difference if you care to see it) that still wouldn't mean that he would disown Reverend Wright after the fact. Also a big difference. Leave and disown are not synonyms.
Language 101 is now over.
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Yes. Why? Because the AIDS conspiracy statement is A LIE! Because it is divisive. It is ignorant at best. It breeds pessimism, distrust, victimhood, and hatred for one's fellow man. It keeps the people stuck in a vicious circle.
Life presents us all with many challenges and choices, opportunities and obstacles. Many people choose to be optimistic, self-reliant, and determined.
No where on Earth do people have more freedom and opportunity than in the United States of America.
It has less to do with religion and more to do with Anti-Americanism.
It explains a lot about Obama. His inability to definitively break with Wright, for example. His voting record in the Illinois Senate, where he had a marked tendency to vote “present” to avoid taking tough stands on controversial bills. His hedginess on the issue of welfare reform. His back-and-forth stance on the Iraq War (and if you think that is at least one area where Obama has been consistent, think again).
Now, because of challenges being mounted to affirmative action in several states, Obama is about to be confronted with another major issue on which he has studiously avoided taking a stand. As with some (but most definitely not all) of the topics on which Obama has been fence-straddling or silent, this is a racially-loaded minefield for him. Take a stand against, and he might lose some of his black support. Take a stand for, and he might lose some of his appeal to moderates, and reveal himself as the unadulterated liberal that he is.
Obama’s fuzziness may certainly be at least partly strategic—an attempt to be, if not all things to all people, then at least as many things to as many people as possible. This trait is hardly unusual in politicians. But Obama takes it to an extreme degree, and over time it is starting to hurt him. It is such a consistent characterisitc of his, across so many areas, that one can conclude (as I have) that it is part of his personality on a very deep level, and not just a political ploy.
"View" co-host Elisabeth Hasslebeck expressed concern that Obama's choice of pastor may show a lack of judgment.
The candidate explained, "Part of what my role in my politics is to get people who don't normally listen to each other to talk to each other, who [say] crazy things, who are offended by each other, for me to understand them and to maybe help them understand each other."
This shtick isn't helping. The headline on this story is "Obama: America Doesn't Get Rev. Wright." Really? More talk like that, and the issue will be whether it's Obama who doesn't get America. "People who don't normally listen" to Jeremiah Wright (and certainly not for 20 years) get him and his racist "liberation theology" very quickly. They have no desire to be brought together to "understand" him, and they won't take kindly to a presidential candidate whose way of wiggling off the hook of his own poor choices is to suggest they're just as crazy as his loon of a pastor.
..hate to break it to ya Anon 6:27..but this is a myth. There are many countries where people are freer ..all people, especially black people. It's funny to me when I hear this. I don't know how you can say you're free without Universal Health Care - without a strong social safety net.
1.I will start by informing you that their is a difference between patriotism and nationalism. Go look it up!!
2. Go read Tim Wise "Obama, Wright and the Unacceptability of Truth"
3. It may sound like hate speech too you but its not new to me and I understand where the rev is coming from. Many are interpreting the Wright situation through their own narrow minds. Guess what let me break it to you, black people love their country but they arent proud of it. My mother yesterday said that "she isnt happy with this country" (so I assume that she is un/anti-American). We have a big race problem. If it is shocking for you to hear the pastor say that America has done a lot of bad things then you live under a big, big rock. In addition, stop holding on to the AIDS thing, I dont believe that that is the case but I know that America has a history with it. In addition, if that is the only thing he said that is "horrible" to you then I know some people who have made the same claim and you should go chastise them too.
4. To call a black person un-American isnt new.
5. I will admit to you however and you may not want to hear it but the thesis of many scholars and people who just know their history have the idea of what you call white greed=imperialism, capitalism, slavery, arrogance, supremacy etc etc really high up there when it comes to "world sins". This isnt something that is to be taken out on the individual, i dont want anyone to feel guilty, I know you were not present when much of this happened but it is fact esp. in our modern world. Dont kill the messenger.
6. Discussing social injustice is not divisive.
P.S. Rev Wright is not ignorant.
P.S.S If we were to dismiss everyone who has said something or done something that we did not like or did not agree with then the U.S. will have to disown a great deal of historical figures.
e.g. We can no more disown Thomas Jefferson than we can disown the Declaration of Independence or our founding fathers.
Obama is complex. So he's called fuzzy. He has spoken to many sides of several issues, so that makes him somehow morally ungrounded.
A person whose forte is hearing all sides of an issue before deciding the best policies to address said issue shows integrity when hearing all sides of an issue before deciding the best policies to address it.
The simpleton wants everything to be laid out in absolute terms. Makes stuff easier for simpletons to understand.
But Obama's not a simpleton. Not spiritually, morally, or politically.
If you want your president to be a simpleton, then vote for someone else.
It's really that simple
The sad thing about people these days is that too many dont want to think about things. If their was a simple answer to everythign then our world on a whole would not be so complex.
"A person whose forte is hearing all sides of an issue before deciding the best policies to address said issue shows integrity when hearing all sides of an issue before deciding the best policies to address it."
That is exactly why Obama is a superior leader.
And if I've learned anything in my 44 years as a Black person, I've learned that people who MUST think of you in a certain way, will never change their minds. And the more you try, the less they respect you.
Let them be.
This whole thing has definetly been filtered through the white perspective by the corporate owned media. The media is as simple, narrowminded and misinformed. I nearky died when they were discussing Hillary Clinton and Black women, it was so obvious that they knew nothing about intersectionality amongst other things.