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What's sad is this whole stupid thing about Clark completely overshadwoed what I think was a great speech by Obama today. Many on the netroots are too busy "dissing" Obama to realize what a great speech it was. If not for this whole Clark/McCain hoopla, the speech would have been more well receieved on it's own merits. Now it will only be analyzed based on its inference to "POW -gate"
I agree that "POW-Gate" overshadows this great address from Barack. And while what Clark said is absolutely true, it's terrible, terrible politics.
In fact was arguing with some idiots at dkos about this.
I won't totally put it in the "Clinton distraction" but I will say this, it was not helpful
I don't disagree with what Clark said, it was how it was said. We gain NOTHING attacking a war hero and this is what McCain is, whether we like it or not. I am former military and attacking one's record is just not done.
Attack McCain on his shameless record, which I am working on a diary for talking points about McCain. McCain has too much shit in his baggage, to attack his record. I mean the man was a POW, nuff said on that.
Lastly, the London Telegraph did not help Bill Clinton's image and I do believe there is some truth in it. Now the MSM is touting a phone conversation BC had with Obama today. Bill know he either get on the bus or be left behind with history not too kind to him.
We will see how this all plays out.
I am new to the netroots, so maybe all of the type of second-guessing is just par for the course, but I'm gonna take a break from dkos and other liberal blogs 'til after the holiday. All the "drama" was giving me a headache. So maybe a little vay-kay will refresh me. I'm gonna donae to Obama tonight, then break time here I come.
The real deal is that McBush was a lousy pilot and officer. Getting shot down ISN'T a prerequisite for high office. It doesn't entitle you, but it does show how you would react under stress. Like JFK, for instance. Getting our men and women in and out of a situation without many casualties is. Saving people's lives. Not showboating.
Time 4 CHANGE We Can Believe In.
I don't know what to think anymore.
But I'm certain I want Barack to win. The fact that McCain's got some "Truth Squad" out there to defend what they did to Kerry in 2004 pisses me off much more than anything Clark or Barack might be doing.
Politics has always been vicious. This election is no different.
One of the reaons Barack is so measured and moderated in his words is that he undertands this. If he started calling out Bush or McCain the way Clark did, he'd immediately be labeled "ANGRY" or "IRRATIONAL." (I'm reminded of the intro of the Public Enemy cut, "Bring The Noise" where the voiceover says, "Too Black -- Too Strong." )
This is the deal and Barack gets it. We need to understand it as well.
Campbell Brown is on right now saying the Obama campaign is trying to swiftboat a decorated POW.
I think it is NUTS how so man Americans think that the US is leading the globe on issues like healthcare, education, and employment.
I understand that certain things must be done in order to achieve power, but at what price? By the time he'll get there we wont know him or what he stands for!
Copy and pasting is so, well, unoriginal.
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Goering said that at Nuremberg. And didn't Bush use the entire spiel to sell Iraq?
Look at his stance on abortion and inclusive ideas on homosexuals. Clearly he HAS taken a controversal stance. I have to love the arrogance of some of Obama's supporters. If he doesn't speak like you and share your views on a given issue he's weak. Could it be, and this is a shot in the dark, simply independent? A leader?
If you want a yes man, someone that will ALWAYS parrot back to you what you believe and think you've got the wrong man.
If Obama loses this election it will be to those that cry and complain about the wrong things. The line I read seems to be "he should attack!" "He needs to be as ruthless as they are." If that's the kind of logic you're looking for why aren't you a Clinton supporter.
Freedom of expression is the core fundamental right of a free society, but the anit-Obama-on-FISA group that has emerged on Barack's website is utterly disappointed.
I'm beginning to see that so many of the folks who support him really have no idea how to get this man elected.
I have a story about my own experience with his campaign on LGBT stuff, where I was really impressed; when I have more time someday maybe I'll post it on an open thread. It's not about this specifically (marriage) but more about how they run things overall.
Anyway, I'm lately feeling pretty tired of people expecting Senator Obama to be exactly what they/we think he should be for us.
He also wants to repeal DOMA in its entirety and offer federal benefits, including immigration benefits, to same-sex couples in committed unions.
Obviously, he's better than McCain or even Hillary, but he's proving to be more of the same.
This leads me to believe that all of it, Clark's comments the day before Barack's patriotism speech, was a bad cop/good cop tactic to dominate a news cycle.
But since the MSM hasn't picked it up, they might be burying it because they don't want people to see the underlying truth in Clark's statement.
Hmmmm.....
Let's see where this goes in the MSM (CNN is a part of it, but it's Fox Lite, so I don't watch it at all!) in the next few days.
Barack's speech needs some coverage and it's not getting much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCaGlj52MCY&eurl=
Bad cop/Good Cop might be exactly what Barack planned.
Let's see how this plays out over the next few newscycles.
Politics is vicious.
Barack IS a politician. He's not a savior, or a messiah, or a perfect man.
He IS trying to get elected President, though. And unless or until he sells his soul, he better do whatever he has to do to give him the best chance to be elected. Let people be pissed off. But they better get over and vote for him because at the end of the day, he's better than John McCain.
Period.
I'm going to throw up now.
No wait, sorry that was (?) Massie
I hear Clark did pretty well on Verdict
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/205348/...
is that too much to ask?
Clark could have hit McCain about being the son and grandson of ADMIRALS, all the while using his public position to vote AGAINST measures that would help the average, everyday soldier who doesn't come from such a privileged socio-economic background. Clark was the perfect one to point out that McCain LIED about supporting the new GI Bill, when he a) fought it at every turn, and b) wouldn't even cast a vote on it. Clark would have been a good attack dog on those points...not this one. I don't even argue about that. Yes,he pimped the POW thing to get into the Senate; I'm more pissed about him voting AGAINST the common soldier, all the while hiding behind the POW/Uber Patriot flag.
Initially, I was not all that keen about Clark touting this. Why? Because in the end you don't get votes for being perceived going after a war hero, and we know that is how the MSM will and is playing this out.
But there was nothing incorrect in what Clark stated. He simply said in a nutshell, "that McCain does not have the executive experience in national security." He outlined the examples and explained that Obama is not running on this platform, as McCain is for experience in this. And in the end, neither Obama or McCain have executive experience in national security. Neither had to make the decision to flip the switch and drop the bomb, or tell a bunch of generals and admirals what to do.
I think that Clark is being Obama's attack dog. Though, Obama denouced "how the statement" was made, he did not throw Clark under the bus. There is a diary up on kos explaining it, here.
I now put Clark in the top three, for VP.