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Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

icebergslim — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:44:45 -0000

You are correct here, rikyrah.

Initially, I was not all that keen about Clark touting this. Why? Because in the end you don't get votes for being perceived going after a war hero, and we know that is how the MSM will and is playing this out.

But there was nothing incorrect in what Clark stated. He simply said in a nutshell, "that McCain does not have the executive experience in national security." He outlined the examples and explained that Obama is not running on this platform, as McCain is for experience in this. And in the end, neither Obama or McCain have executive experience in national security. Neither had to make the decision to flip the switch and drop the bomb, or tell a bunch of generals and admirals what to do.

I think that Clark is being Obama's attack dog. Though, Obama denouced "how the statement" was made, he did not throw Clark under the bus. There is a diary up on kos explaining it, here.

I now put Clark in the top three, for VP.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

rikyrah — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:23:14 -0000

Democrats always pick the wrong stuff. Clark was a perfect choice to use against McCain to flip the script on the ' Who actually IS an elitist' memo.
Clark could have hit McCain about being the son and grandson of ADMIRALS, all the while using his public position to vote AGAINST measures that would help the average, everyday soldier who doesn't come from such a privileged socio-economic background. Clark was the perfect one to point out that McCain LIED about supporting the new GI Bill, when he a) fought it at every turn, and b) wouldn't even cast a vote on it. Clark would have been a good attack dog on those points...not this one. I don't even argue about that. Yes,he pimped the POW thing to get into the Senate; I'm more pissed about him voting AGAINST the common soldier, all the while hiding behind the POW/Uber Patriot flag.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

AnthonyMason2k6 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:56:37 -0000

All I am saying is, let's not act like the Republicans with Bush! If BO does the wrong thing he must catch the heat for it. Just saying that "hey What are you going to do? Vote McCain" isnt enough to motivate folks. Barack has to be more than "be scared of John McCain."

is that too much to ask?

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:54:01 -0000

I've read this comment in about 10 other places.

Copy and pasting is so, well, unoriginal.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

AnthonyMason2k6 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:50:12 -0000

I dont care about narrow social issues! I care about ending the war; I care about the returning the rule of law in this country. Now, are you saying that his position on FISA is principled? Come on!

Obviously, he's better than McCain or even Hillary, but he's proving to be more of the same.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

AnthonyMason2k6 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:46:09 -0000

And I understand that. But when the main theme of your campaign is "CHANGE" you must live up to that. I mean, before being in the senate he spoke about the humanity of the Palestinians; then last year he spoke about NOT letting the Likud party dictate american's relations to israel to now, the brother is farther to the right of Bill Kristol when it comes to Israel. He even called Israel's security "Sacrosant"; Not even Bush talks like that! How did he get there? Not only that, but he has a Pro-Walmart man running his economic team, he's got the same awful clinton people on foreign policy (including Madeline "I dont care about Iraqi children" Albright), he's changed his position on FISA, public campaign finance, his Cuba/Latin America speech is more American imperialism (I'm beginning to call it Manifest Destiny with a Black face on it), and that's without mentioning his reaction to the two latest supreme court decision (the death penalty one and the 2nd ammendment one), and the fact that his Iraq withdraw plan leaves all the Blackwater mercenaries intact!

I understand that certain things must be done in order to achieve power, but at what price? By the time he'll get there we wont know him or what he stands for!

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:59:07 -0000

Good for you. I've decided that I don't need all that drama in my life. I'll stick to blogs/post with a least a modicum of respectfulness by the site host, here for example. I may even post a comment on 2 on dkos if I just can't help myself, but it will no longer be a "destination" of mine. Ya know what I mean.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:47:39 -0000

I've decided to be a voice in the wildnerness over there. The melodrama is very petty. But it might also be destructive. So, I'm speaking out against it.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:46:47 -0000

He did. And since he said he spoke with Barack with a smirk on his face, defending Barack anyway, told us Barck was a true patriot, and then went right back to standing by his remarks, I no longer need to flip-flop and am now convinced that this is nothing but a good old fashioned good cop/bad cop strategy.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:27:49 -0000

Well, I am officially done with dkos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/205348/...

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

Maylonie — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:22:42 -0000

Thank you CraigHickman. You say it for me. Yes, vote for Barack because at the end of the day he's so much better than McCain.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:55:17 -0000

Oh,

I hear Clark did pretty well on Verdict

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

lamh — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:54:37 -0000

Isn't Tara Wall the repub who called Michelle Obama an "racist ingrate", or "angry harridan"?

No wait, sorry that was (?) Massie

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:21:02 -0000

Have Mercy. Dan Abrams has Tara Wall and Tucker on to discuss this issue.

I'm going to throw up now.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:13:17 -0000

Clark is on right now defending himself. I think after watching this second showing and his reference to Barack as a true patriot, RonnieB is on point.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:11:53 -0000

I'm part of his base and he hasn't pissed me off.

Barack IS a politician. He's not a savior, or a messiah, or a perfect man.

He IS trying to get elected President, though. And unless or until he sells his soul, he better do whatever he has to do to give him the best chance to be elected. Let people be pissed off. But they better get over and vote for him because at the end of the day, he's better than John McCain.

Period.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:06:10 -0000

Not this one. I have no problem with Barack's stance on the CA marriage amendment, precisely because he supports the California Supreme Court decision.

He also wants to repeal DOMA in its entirety and offer federal benefits, including immigration benefits, to same-sex couples in committed unions.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

Michelle — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:28:37 -0000

I'm a lesbian and I'm fine with where he stands on this. So is my girlfriend. We know he's a heterosexual politician running for President . We also feel that marriage is not THE only LGBT issue. We don't represent anyone but ourselves of course.

I have a story about my own experience with his campaign on LGBT stuff, where I was really impressed; when I have more time someday maybe I'll post it on an open thread. It's not about this specifically (marriage) but more about how they run things overall.

Anyway, I'm lately feeling pretty tired of people expecting Senator Obama to be exactly what they/we think he should be for us.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

evita — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:22:20 -0000

I think the issue was the guy's lack of diplomacy. The truth can be delivered all kinds of ways... up your booty hole or to your face. Dude went up the poop shoot. I can see why Barack Obama wanted to distance himself from that guy's comments. Presented another way, his point would have been better received. People like sugar on shit.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

heartsandflowers — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:12:57 -0000

You can forget about any politician trying to run a campaign in either party going up against AIPAC. And Wes Clarke is a Hillary surrogate. He has no excuse for dissing McCain about his service record. It is an unspoken code of honor amongst military personnel that you do NOT do that! Obama has a no drama policy and Gen Clarke's speech is a lot of drama.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

heartsandflowers — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:10:13 -0000

Well many in LGBT are not pleased with Obama for not coming out in support of the CA marriage amendment AND for stating he believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

Booky — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:03:36 -0000

I'm with you blksista! Obama needs to stand up and be man. It's the media!
Campbell Brown is on right now saying the Obama campaign is trying to swiftboat a decorated POW.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

Booky — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:00:38 -0000

It's called a red herring lamh. Instead of focusing on the substance of what Clark said they are focusing on the messenger.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

Booky — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:58:49 -0000

I'm behind Wes Clark all the way. He told the truth. Just like Reverend Wright told the truth. The media and the GOP can't handle the truth. The media has turned John McCain into some kind of fictionalized "War Hero". The real war hero's are our sons and daughters returning from Iraq, not to mention those that lost life and limb for a lie. The media and the right wing can dish it out (John Kerry) but they can't take it. F&^K the media. If Obama keeps on he's going to prove Reverend Wright right (pun intended) about him being a politician and saying whatever it takes to be elected. Obama better start standing up to the right wing bullies and the media or he is going to piss off his base.

Re: Obama Speaks of Patriotism

CraigHickman — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:39:29 -0000

You might be right. Wesley Clark will be on Verdict tonight and Good Morning America tomorrow.

Bad cop/Good Cop might be exactly what Barack planned.

Let's see how this plays out over the next few newscycles.

Politics is vicious.