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Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

VLo — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:38:31 -0000

Well, he need not show up since they love him at SNL regardless! But has Obama visited his grandma as he said he would. It's been almost a week, you know, and I have not heard anything yet that he already did.

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rikyrah — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:00:00 -0000

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malletgirl02 — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:26:36 -0000

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Jazzyn67 — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:59:00 -0000

"We are going to keep Gov Palin from the media until they can prove they are going to treat her with respect and deference". This was truly a what the hell moment for me ? Gov Palin is a vice presidential candidate who has presented herself to the world as someone who is tough and will get the job done. She put her children out on the national stage and paraded her baby to the world. She described herself as a pitbull with lipstick and a hockey mom with five children. This is how she chose to present herself to the world and now everyone wants to whine that people are not being fair to her and are being sexist ?

For the past 19 months every aspect of Obama's life has been scrutinized and torn apart. His faith, his race, his patriotism, his attire, his wife, his family and not once has he whined about how the media was picking on him. He responded to the questions and criticisms and never lost his cool. Since the introduction of Gov Palin I have seen Republicans angry and yelling that anyone dares to question her credentials or speak about her life. Why does she not get the scrutiny that every other candidate gets ? John McCain and the Republicans don't get this angry when they scrutinize and talk about John McCain. Maybe he should become the vice presidential candidate and put her on top of the ticket. He appears to be holding onto her coattails anyway.

I'm 41 years old and I cannot recall when the religious right embraced unwed teenage mothers but now that the teenager in question is the daughter of vice presidential candidate who supports their views, teenage motherhood is something we should all support and embrace. When the central characters of this discussion were thought to be minorities, the discussion was more about poor parenting, lack of values and morals, absentee fathers, and just plain dysfunction but now it is just another lifestyle choice ( afterall she did not abort). I don't believe that a person's children or family should be a part of the discussion, but Gov Palin put it out there and is using her status as a mother as one of her credentials so it is fair game. Honestly, if Obama's children were of age and one of those girls got pregnant would there be a drive to embrace her and cheer her choice not to abort. I don't think there would be, it would be one more thing to assess Obama's character and criticize him as a father.

It doesn't matter who you support but the focus should be on the issues and not all of the other stuff that is flying. It's a known factor in a debate, when your opponent does not have anything to say about the issues, the opponent attacks the person. All I have seen since the RNC are attacks on Obama's character, ridicule about his life experiences, and a self reported biography. It was very disturbing to me to watch person after person ridicule and laugh at Obabam's community organizing experience but we are supposed to believe that being a mother of 5 is experience enough to be the vice president. I know many women see themselves in Gov Palin in the sense of a working mother who is raising children but what is missing from the conversation is African American women, Latino women, and other minority women. I am frustrated to continually hear how White women respond to her. Are there any other women in this country who are important ?

It is time to talk about the issues and put Gov Paliln's record under the microscope. It is time for her to publicly state her positions on abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, funding for special education, sex education, secession of Alaska from the United States, the Iraq war, economic plans for the future, housing crisis, education, crime, health care, etc Right now she is all pomp and circumstance and it is time for some substance. We are supposed to be believe that she is going to be tough on corporations, lobbyists, and negotiate with other world leaders but the big ole bad media intimidates her ? The media needs to step it up and stop treating the pit bull with lipstick with kid gloves.

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evita — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:04:30 -0000

Nquest,

Not sure why you are in debate mode with me.

I'm actually promoting a nuanced understanding of what we all agree is a problem. I'm speaking in dynamics and how we connect understanding of these dynamics to the individual. There is a process to unpack these ideas and educate the individual who creates this thing we call the media.

In any situation there are going to be all out racists (ie: i hate black people,) some people who regard themselves as cheerleaders (as in i have black friends, but i dont understand why certain people don't look for work, behave like thugs etc) and some people quite frankly who get it truly like Tm Wise. Most people fall into that middle category... though their issues may be different of course.

What I propose to to talk to the great majority of people who are in the middle. The Rush Limbaughs may never create the mental room to understand his own beliefs differently. Truthfully, the way you type makes it impossible to have these conversations in ways to create more allies.

The point about mentioning PBS is that this work is being done, more so today than every before... Let's figure out ways to create more opportunities to engage media makers (ie: the people) in ways that respect their humanity while also being real about the impact of their ignorance. Ignorance we ALL have to systems of oppression.

You can have a total disregard for what I'm saying, but I will tell you my work has made an impact in connecting a person's values to their professional action.

So I'm done engaging in this discussion with you because I like to dialogue not debate. You should probably research what the difference is.

Have a great weekend!

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

NMP — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:59:57 -0000

I've been pulling my hair out (well actually I got my hair trimmed but still) wondering where he hell are black Democrats and pundits, Roland Mart nothwithstanding, calling out white pundits for the blatant complicity in trying to hide Sarah Palin's lies and distortions and clear lack of knowledge on foreign affairs. Since Cambell Brown embarrassed McCain's spokesperson, she's clearly capitulated along with the entire line-up at CNN again Roland Mart notwithstanding. MSNBC is a joke before 8pm.

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Jandi — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:24:17 -0000

I have always said that McCain knows that what he is doing isnt right. He is running this campaign like a Machiavellian war. he thinks that 'the end will justify the means'. Wanna bet that when all this is over he will be all contrite (Clinton style) and apologise for all the things he did wrong? He will then hug up on Al Sharpton and all will be well.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

Nquest — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:05:18 -0000

Even more of a disconnect. You talk about diversity training at PBS not Fox. When your diversity approaches develop a 100% "changed" track record with the Rush Limbaughs of the world then talk...

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Nquest — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:02:13 -0000

Can you really say that every person has that agenda?

Can you really say that your question is even relevant, much less necessary? No, you can't. It's really lazy, sloppy logic.

No one can say that every person in the media held the Bush administrations water in the run up to the Iraq war, etc. But it is intellectually bankrupt to pretend as if a significant, critical mass of the media wasn't complicit in "pulling the wool over the American public's eyes" even though a majority of Black folks were always opposed to the war.

Hmmm... But for some reason we don't hear you talking about Town "objectifying" the media or the American public with regards to the Iraq war. Plus I thought this was about getting the media to "understand racism" which doesn't sound like the same thing as "unpacking the issues." That sounds more like there is a lot of understanding you/we have to gain before anything else...

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

Nquest — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:51:05 -0000

You're equivocating here. You're trying to turn speak about "objectivity" in absolute terms which is irrelevant here. Plus you argument that we all have bias doesn't make sense.

How can anyone ever come to understand racism is they are biased against that "understanding"? How do you get them from point A to point B?

Again, the Clintons were supposed to be people who "understood" racism. We see how that idea is very problematic.

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Karmi — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:05:28 -0000

Before the Wrights, Rezkos, Ayers, etc. started showing up I had no problem with Obama...other than he was a Democrat, and that I wished he were a republican. Believe I stated that on this board at one time early on.

I changed my view about him when it was discovered that he had long term relationships with racists, crooks, terrorists, communists, and other anti-Americans.

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Karmi — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:16:29 -0000

Good morning Nquest,

Manatee mating season ended a few weeks ago, and I had made plans for some manatee poaching (harpooning) last night.

Anyway, you can deny, rant and rave all you want to, but BLT is proven to be a racist doctrine. Racism, by its simplest definition, is discrimination based on the racial groups to which people belong. People with racist beliefs might hate certain groups of people according to their racial groups. At least the KKK, World Church of the Creator, Malcolm X, etc. admitted that they are/were racists – Obama and Black Liberation Theologists/Members don’t have the balls to admit it…along with many other left-wing African-Americans.

1) Obama proved my point – and others – when he finally rolled Rev. Wright under the bus. 2) Barack and Michelle proved my point – and others – when they rolled TUCC under the bus. MSM gave Barack and Michelle a free-pass once they walked away from the racist Wright and TUCC, i.e. MSM then ignored the fact that Barack and Michelle had spent roughly 20 years involved with and members of a racist church. MSM conveniently ‘forgot’ about the 20 years part…

BTW, you have “debunked” nothing. Denial isn’t debunking. Also, my site has a spam-filter which stopped your posts…I have de-spammed one and it is up. The other looked like a duplicate and was deleted. I will address it later, after cleaning some harpooned manatee.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

evita — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:21:46 -0000

Town- the media is thousands of people. Can you really say that every person has that agenda? Or, can we say that many people do have that agenda, but there are people who are ignorantly complicit?

As long as we objectify the media we will not be able to unpack the issues that go into the systematic challenges that lend themselves to the larger issue of racism.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

evita — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:18:25 -0000

first and foremost, we all have prejudices. everyone of us. we do not live in a vacuum, so let's not assert a moral high ground that doesn't exist.
You said:
And if striving for objectivity is a lost cause because there is no such thing given how it is a "myth", what the hell are you talking about when it comes to understanding racism/prejudice?

By your own definition, you're asking them to accept and use your apparent personal bias (since you can't possibly be "objective" about what racism is) as opposed to being conscious of their own racism (or tendency to not recognize it) and do whatever they can, in as much as they can, to both check for that bias and make sure that's not the way they're viewing the candidates...

In science and research we must assert that there is not such thing as objectivity. Why? Because what we see as "normal" or "noteworthy," has everything to do with our personal lens. Our personal lens then has everything to do with the unique characteristics that make us unique individuals- for example I am a Puerto Rican female diversity trainer and educator... I may not have the same views of the other Puerto Rican females who have not read the things I have read or had the the opportunity to read the research that helps me stay competitive in my field. I cannot see things from a white male working class lens, because I do not have those experiences.

These are the reasons why there has been such a push (on the part of people of color) to diversify the media. To have variant perspectives. That said, it is true that whites who can develop empathy and see the nature of oppression (ie racism) are more likely to question their own methodology/ process to formulating a question to assist them with being better journalists.

I have participated in such a training with producers and editors for PBS a few years back and it highly successful in starting to look at themselves. I have worked with enough white people to know that all people are inherently good. We are participants in the invisible system and many people do not people they are under the control of racism, because when they do- they are forever changed.

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evita — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:05:12 -0000

post civil rights dynamic basically says that racism looks different today than it did during and before the civil rights movement. it initiated the concept of color blind racism: all of the people who believe they do not "see color " and hence harbor no racial resentment or hatred, which we all know is false. it is the reason why bill clinton feels SO SLIGHTED because people called him out on his racist assertions. he honestly, doesn't see it, but it doesn't take away from the fact it exists.

i'm not that person who wants to sound cool, but thanks for giving an cred for that. lol. this is a real sociological context being studied, researched, engaged. it is why jesse jackson and his like are no longer relevant.

never saw an argument: read bonilla- silva. in one of his books he interviews college students (ina number of schools,) and asks them about their racial beliefs. they portend to believe that all people deserve fairness, however they showed resistance to the notion of affirmative action. contradictory idea right? this is the notion of post civil rights. derrick heyward horton (U Albany) is studying demography and controlling for race to show the effect of racism... there are people doing the work and for at least 10 years.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

scruncher — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:05:04 -0000

Sorry, I find all this depressing. The hate, the anger, the lies, and especially the ignorance that has deified a woman that most of the people doing it didn't even *know* two weeks ago. The latter would be laughable if it weren't so frightening.

I also work with people -- people I like a lot, people I consider friends -- who are going to vote for this man and woman.

I'll get over it.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

melanctha — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:22:39 -0000

Too true. But I remain optimistic. I see a turnaround. Let the Palin angel dust settle.

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Town — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:30:48 -0000

This is the problem with Karmi in a nutshell:

He or she is so wrapped up in the concept that "WHITE IS RIGHT" that anyone who questions that concept "automatically" hates white people.

So that person must be destroyed.

Karmi will not regain his or her emotional equilibrium until Obama is destroyed.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

Town — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:19:37 -0000

The media is fully aware of racism because they are just as racist, and prejudiced and bigoted as the people they cover. They wrap their minds around it and understand it easily because they have the same feelings. The media is telling people "Don't vote for Obama because XYZ." The media is agitating, and frankly they can't be trusted as they were Bush's allies in pulling the wool over the American public's eyes about Iraq. The suburban white lady in Boondocks, PA might have had no problem voting for Obama even though he's black, but she's been told over and over again by the media that "suburban whites" aren't voting for Obama, and "hard working white people" distrust Obama, and white women don't like Obama because he's sexist against Hillary and Palin (even though she might not like Hillary OR Palin). Now the suburban white woman is LESS likely to vote for Obama because the MEDIA said not to vote for him.

The media understands fully well what they are doing and they will never be held accountable for it, just like they won't be held accountable for helping Bush lie about Iraq.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

Nquest — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:35:15 -0000

Ahhh! Here it is. The very thing you posted here before verbatim with the definitions racism that you NEVER demonstrated as applicable to Black Liberation Theology.

You NEVER showed how it was/is "an irrational attitude of hostility" much less "a discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race."

For some reason, your blog wouldn't publish my post, so I'll debunk one piece of your bs there... here.

What part of Sen. Obama or Rev. Daughtry being a part of the Democratic party promotes or is a practice of Black supremacy that's comparable to what we know about the KKK's version of White Supremacy which is not to be confused with the WHITE SUPREMACY of Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln?

What part of Sen. Obama or Rev. Daughtry being a part of the Democratic party promotes or is a practice of Black separatism? Beyond that, what part of Trinity United Church of Christ being a part of predominantly white Christian congregation that actively fellowships with white churches in the congregation along with having its own white members promotes or practices Black separatism?

Your circular logic based on circumstantial evidence, at best, is laughable.

Note: Reparations isn't a part of Obama's platform or that of the DNC which makes your claim that Black Liberation Theology has "gained power" in the Democratic party bogus.

Re: Obama/McCain — The Double Standard & Journalistic Complicity

Guest — Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:54:29 -0000

or me. we WILL win this thing. and this fight will only make the satisfaction all the sweeter.

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