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The Bag of Health and Politics — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:49:00 -0000

Read the Israeli Media and see what they think about this nonsense issue. As a person of Jewish decent, I could care less what Farrakhan says.

I care more about real issues facing average Americans. The elite Beltway Press--people like Russert and Williams make $4 million a year--don't understand real issues because they don't have to face them. Consequently, real issues--like health care and NAFTA--are declared boring, and the media obsesses on the petty--from Hillary's tear to "plagiarism" to photo of Obama in a foreign country to the words of the bigot Farrakhan. It doesn't help me get health insurance, it doesn't help a kid go to college, it doesn't help the family that is a paycheck away from losing their house, it doesn't help the person who saw their job at the steel mill be sent to Juarez and the list goes on. The fact that Obama doesn't play these petty games and actually addresses the real issues facing Americans is precisely why he's winning, and precisely why he'll be the next President of the United States--much to the media's frustration...they're going to lose their tax cuts.

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Anonymous — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:06:00 -0000

@ craig hickman

""Perhaps she ought to have divorced Clinton and separated herself from him completely before running and then she might actually have a point. But she never would've been able to consider herself an incumbent candidate if she tried to run on her own because the Clinton Machine belongs to Bill, not Hillary.""

That's exactly it. She's always turned a blind eye to his philandering in exchange for what he could do for her politically. Now it's dawning on her that it was all for nothing...she sold herself out for nothing. Now, her image(illusion) has been damaged and Bill's image is toast; and, she still won't win the nomination! What did Dick Morris say..."The politics of personal destruction"?

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Craig Hickman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:45:00 -0000

The Louis Farrakhan question, which, make no mistake, wouldn't have even been asked if the media was favoring Obama, allowed Obama to talk about the historical relationship between Blacks and Jews. That's not being reported much today. I'm not surprised. But it was an answer that helped shore up support for Obama from Jewish-Americans and quell some of the concerns many had about his stance on Israel. That's a huge deal. It also made Hillary look like she was pandering to Jewish-Americans by hijacking the question , as the commenter I quoted here earlier said, to try to show that she was more against anti-Semitism than he was. It was a desperate moment and it made her look beyond petty. It also turned off many Jewish-American voters sitting on the fence. And again, Obama detonated her opportunistic attack with such cleverness he got an applause out of it.

If Clinton thinks she can actually win this election by playing the victim, more power to her. If she thinks referring to a comedy skit is good presidential campaigning, more power to her. But if she thought she was going to have it easy as a woman riding on her husband's coattails to victory, she ought not to have run in the first place. Perhaps she ought to have divorced Clinton and separated herself from him completely before running and then she might actually have a point. But she never would've been able to consider herself an incumbent candidate if she tried to run on her own because the Clinton Machine belongs to Bill, not Hillary. And that's why she refuses to release their tax returns. She's got a lot to hide. Always has; always will.

At least one of the Democratic candidates came prepared to deal with all the attacks coming his way. He'll be far better prepared to be President. Obama won the debate hands down.

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Anonymous — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:40:00 -0000

Lewis flipped! He has officially pledged for Obama -- on record.

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Big Man — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:41:00 -0000

The person who made the comment about the CNN guy was on point.

Hillary tried to paing Obama as a Jew hater, plain and simple.

She should have been called on this, but nobody said shit about her underhanded slur. As lolo noted on my blog, the group she said she distanced herself from is also headed by a black person. She's trying to get Jewish peole to believe they can't trust the Negroes.

http://ravingblacklunatic.b...

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ac — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:16:00 -0000

What is with Tubbs-Jones? As a Clinton surrogate she spends as much time defending Ms Ann as she does making personal attacks on Obama. Why is that? I don't see any of the other Clinton surrogates as shrill and irrational in their denouncement of all things Obama. It got me to thinking...

Last week on the Field Negro a commentator stated they were a Washington insider and knew firsthand how many of the female CBC members had "cougar'd" up on Obama when he first hit the Washington scene only to be turned down flat. I thought it just idle gossip but now, I wonder if there isn't something to it.

Maybe I am just imagining things, but Tubbs acts as if it's less about defending Clinton as it is about throwing some venom down on Obama. Did he do something, real or imagined, to offend her personally?

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Angela — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:53:00 -0000

Russert was on with Matt Lauer this morning and he made a comment regarding Clinton's complaint about always getting the first question. Russert told Lauer that the question isn't the problem its the answer and that if you can't answer tough questions you can't make tough decisions. He then went onto say he had asked a couple of questions that weren't directed to either of them but Clinton jumped at the chance to give an answer.

She sounded so petty when she bought up the SNL bit.

In listening to the morning shows it seems most think the debate was a draw, that Obama did what he needed to and Clinton didn't do anything to change the dynamic.

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Ronnie B — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:06:00 -0000

First, Barack handled his business in a way befitting a chief executive. His adversary was lightweight, inartful and shrill. He needed only to remain the cool, smooth rock in the presence of her hot mess. A rather effortless yet fruitful closing to an otherwise ordinary Tuesday evening at the office.

Second, the only challenge that comes from Tuesday's debate is the Trinity UCC question. Personally, though, I don't think the GOP wants to implement a tactic of politically attacking churches. Nor do they want to open up the can of worms of segregated or homogenous churches. The so-called "party of faith" hasn't a leg to stand on in this regard. But if the question does come up, i.e., "Senator Obama, if you're truly about unity, why do you attend an 'unashamedly Black' church?". I would hope Barack's response is something like "I attended my church long before political pundits knew or cared about my church. Are you suggesting that I leave my church home only because it's politically expedient to do so?" or something to that affect.

That should put the whole church thing to rest.

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Rhonda — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:46:00 -0000

Darrell Simmons from CNN, is a smary guy. He always says the right things. I heard him talking yesterday, its a non-issue unless people want to either spin it like they did Michelle's comment and the allegations of him being a radical muslim for the past year. Russert brought it up to close any suspicion. Now if it were Hillary trying to make a point by bringing it up then i would slap her and bar her from pandering in any black church. Both Jesse Jackson and Simmons handled it well. There are never questions or suspicion when it is the opposite way around.

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BigMik — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:38:00 -0000

It seems Obama was against an award that his Pastor's daughter gave to the Minister last year. This is from the Pastors bio on Wikipedia:

"In 2007, Trumpet Magazine (published and edited by Wright's daughter) presented the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to Farrakhan, whom it said "truly epitomized greatness."[12] Wright is quoted in the magazine offering praise of Farrakhan "as one of the 20th and. 21st century giants of the African American religious experience" and also praised Farrakhan's "integrity and honesty."In response, Obama noted his disagreement with the decision to give the award to Farrakhan; his statement was praised by Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League."

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rikyrah — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:18:00 -0000

Stephanie Tubbs Jones is on something! She is just embarassing. I wonder whats being put in her "malt liquor'. She is smiling like an idiot, she can't make a sentence and when she does she makes no sense. Her comment about Obama and owning King's dream tells me about how she and a lot of the black establishment look at Obama. I knew it, at least she admitted it.

She's absolutely pathetic, and disgusts me. It's these personal insults that just cross the line. Take her HHH self and go somewhere and sit down.

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Nichelle — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:29:00 -0000

CNN Analyst and Obama supporter Jamal (shame on me I can never remember his last name) was asked about the Farrakhan question and said that he loves it how no one ever questioned when Strom Thurmond, an admitted segragationist came out and supported a candidate. He went further to say that Louis Farrakhan was a public figure and Thurmond an elected official. Silence fell over the discussion and Anderson Cooper moved on as he usually does when a point he is in opposition to is well made.

WOW!

This is a great rebuttal. I think that point should be made each and every time someone wants to slam Barack Obama with Louis Farrakhan.

And don't let us start digging up the video and newspaper articles of endorsements from damning Republicans like Strom Thurmond, Trent Lott and the rest.

And Stephanie Tubbs Jones - Lawd, Lawd, Lawd... I can't WAIT to see who will be challenging her for her seat in Ohio.

The writing is on the wall...

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justice58 — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:28:00 -0000

Hillary is crazy as hell. She got slammed on that reject/denounce question! Serves her @ss right! Teeheehee!

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:15:00 -0000

I was concerned about the public financing question and wondered how Obama would answer and I was satisified with his answer. In light of recent developments surrounding McCain and public financing, I don't blame him for readjusting and applaud him for standing firm even though some will accuse him of going back on his word.

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Rhonda — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 01:08:00 -0000

As I am watching the debate again, Hillary is proving the fact that she is a petty and dogmatic politician. Who wants her leadership. She likes to spin things and lie, kick people when they are down, nitpick about words (denounce/reject), deny that she is ever wrong, she is a poor loser. Omg!! I dont even want her as my senator in new york at this point.

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Ultramagnetic — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:56:00 -0000

Poll results at MSNBC. 72156 respones.

Who won the debate?

Barack Obama won. 65%

Hillary Clinton won. 22%

'Nuff said.

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Rhonda — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:52:00 -0000

Yea, Hillary is the Queen of cheap shots, she wont admit it until sge is bcked into a corner the way she was with NAFTA and her vote for the war of iraq.

I like Obama's church and believe in their message.I love how his pastor said that, Bill Clinton did to black people what he did to monica Lewinsky"..its so right. An old professor of mine actually attended it when she was at the University at Chicago for her masters. She would always speak fondly of it. However i know how the media loves to spin and fear monger esp when they have Farrakhan in the pciture and I hope that they dont entertain creating a non-issue. Of course, this is an old issue that is being brought up. The Rezko thing was an old and debunked issue that was brought up by Hillary's desperate behind but people entertained it for too long regardless.

I'm watching the debate again, Hillary looked kind of defeated at points. I'm studying her body language. She usually has this smirk on her face but she looks like shes about to cry.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:51:00 -0000

Hickman:

I purposefully wrote United Health Insurance. It is as much about forcing payment for medical services as it is making sure folks can be taken care of when they are sick. If it were Universal Health Care everyone would have it regardless of their financial status. Listen to Hillary's criticism of Obama's plan. She constantly says that if folks aren't forced to buy insurance, the rest of "us" who have purchased it will end up paying their medical bills through a secret tax.

I would really like to know more about the types of coverages that will be provided at what costs!

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Caged Lion — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:44:00 -0000

"Her comment about Obama and owning King's dream tells me about how she and a lot of the black establishment look at Obama."

That was truly a non-sequitor. I had to switch the channel seeing her toothy grin and "yassah boss" demeanor.

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Caged Lion — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:42:00 -0000

"That commenter hit the ball out of the park."

I hope that is the general sentiment.

As for me, I wish politicians were fighting over who hates anti-black bigots more often. That's a good problem to have.

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Rhonda — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:41:00 -0000

Stephanie Tubbs Jones is on something! She is just embarassing. I wonder whats being put in her "malt liquor'. She is smiling like an idiot, she can't make a sentence and when she does she makes no sense. Her comment about Obama and owning King's dream tells me about how she and a lot of the black establishment look at Obama. I knew it, at least she admitted it. She continued to talk about black men for Obama and black women for Hillary, by referencing Dyson, jackson and their wives. She makes no sense.

Hillary was so open about her gender being this big plus, god forbid Obama ever did the same thing. There is an obvious double standard.

CNN looks like a joke compared to MSNBC.

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Submariner — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:34:00 -0000

I wanted to save this for next week but after tonight's superlative performance by Barack I simply can't contain myself.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:33:00 -0000

Also, Hillary was truly exposed on the NAFTA position. She countered with: "I said it wasn't working for states like....." Of course, the states she said she said NAFTA wasn't working for are the ones who haven't voted yet.

Obama quicly clarified how his position on NAFTA had never changed when he was questioned about a supposed discrepancy.

I seriously believe the American public sees Hillary for the liar and would be opportunist that she truly is.

The inuendo surrounding Trinity Church has been out there for quite some time now. That's actually what they thought would put him out early. They are simply rehashing old fears that have been visited. It will be easier this time to refute.

Did anyone see where Trinity is being investigated by the IRS for supposed political activity that surrounds a speech that Obama gave. the penalty would be that they would lose their non-profit status.

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Craig Hickman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:29:00 -0000

I'm sick of Hillary needing the last word on health care. It's childish to say the least. Just wanted to share a quote from a reader of Daily Dish:

You have it totally reversed on the Farrakhan question. It's not Obama's worst moment of the debate cycle. It was Clinton's. As a Jewish-American, I can't tell you how offensive I found her attempt to hijack the question and attempt to score cheap political points. If it wasn't clear before that she views my people as just another ethnic group she can pander to, it's perfectly clear now. I was sick to my stomach. "Hey look at me! I hate anti-Semites more than Obama does!" What an insulting attitude to take. Before tonight I was planning on supporting the Democratic nominee no matter what, even though I voted for Obama in my state's primary. But Hillary crossed a line today, and I can only hope she isn't nominated. Otherwise I may have to make an ugly choice in November.

That commenter hit the ball out of the park.