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LINK BELOW:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ask-marian-wright-edleman-to-support-barack-obama
Petition short version:
We the under signed ask Marian Wright Edleman to show
her support for Barack Obama for president 2008. We
also would appreciate Marian explaining why her
husband resigned from Bill clintons cabinet and why on
July 24th when Marian Spoke to Amy Goodman at
democracynow.org she didn't eleborate further in her
views of Hillary Clinton who proclaims to be the
candidate for childrens right.
The following are a few articles explaining in some
detail as to the clintons dealings with regards to
Marian Wright Edleman. (note: these articles can be
found at the petition site by clicking petition
overview under Marians picture)
PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY ASAP
Danielle Clarke
""Hillary Co-Ops Marians organization as if Marian is
endorsing her""
NOTE: The link to Hillary's site is below.
http://hillaryclinton.com/issues/family/
Go to hillaryclinton.com. Click 'HILLARY" tab at top
of page and select "Hillary's Story". Then on the
right of the page under "HILLARY ON THE ISSUES" click
"Supporting Parents and Caring for Children". In the
second paragraph read..."From her first job out of law
school at the Children's Defense Fund..."
Hillary is effectively associating herself with the
CDF without seeking actually saying she is and without
saying why Marian the individual citizen, her mentor
at CDF is not supporting her for the nomination. This
mention of the CDF by Hillary in this fashion does not
give the correct impression. Namely, that neither
Marian nor her husband, who resigned the Clinton
Administration in PROTEST, are at odds with the
Clinton's in a most serious way. What is the nature
of that disagreement when the Clinton's are giving the
impression that all is well with her relationship with
the CDF. This is SO a typically Clinton (not quite
honest) maneuver. Marian has a Christian and
Citizenship duty to correct that false impression. To
share the truth with the Democrats and the American
people BEFORE they nominate another Clinton to the
important job of President of the United States at
this critical point in our Nation's history.
further writings in support of my petition can be found here = http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/11... here = http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/11... here = http://mirroronamerica.blogspot.com/2007/11/why... here = http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/11...>
Well we knew this was coming. As long as he was a cute oddity then there was no concern but the moment he became a serious threat they (Clintons) did what white folk do when Black folk become threatened...go racial.
And as always in history from Slavery to the Civil Rights movement they always have their Black minions in tow.
Don't know how Obama responds to this. And he can't ignore it for too long without it taking affect. And I know his White advisors are clueless as to ow to approach this withot making Obama seem like a race man.
My momma always said White folk may be your friend bt the moment they are pushed into a corner they will choose their own over you.
How Black are the Clintons seeming now?
http://www.BrownSugar.blogspot.com
1. Some element of the Obama campaign-be it his supporters or the campaign itself-is taking this stuff WAY out of context.
2. The Clintons-and their supporters-are dumb for making these kind of statements, knowing full well that they're going to be taken out of context.
Whether it's racist or not, I leave open to interpretation. But, eventually, Obama is going to have to reply to some of this. And that reply is ultimately what's going to make/break his campaign.
D.R.
I don't claim to be anything special or some great friend of the black community (I'm just an average guy who tries not to make overaching judgements or treat anyone unfairly) and I can only hope that the majority of white americans that are being targeted by the Clinton's in this don't fall for it.
I say targeted because as was pointed out in this article, this is the Hillary trying to have her Sister Souljah moment where she throws someone under the bus to try to gain the favor of a majority of voters who may not like the target. By claiming that Obama is race baiting, they hope to gain more than they lose in SC.
So terribly sad and depressing, Hell hath no fury like a Clinton camp scorned.
Hopefully no matter what color the voter, they won't fall for this machevellian bullshit.
After 2-5, Maryland and Virginia vote. Governor O'Malley has desperately been trying to get people lined up behind Clinton. But he has low approval ratings and people are looking for something they can oppose him on, so it's not as effective as it could be. Maryland has the tendency to back insurgents. In Virginia, Gov. Kaine is with Obama; Webb is officially neutral. Virginia elected Wilder to statewide office twenty years ago. Obama might have an advantage there. He could sweep both 2-12 states...
This is why Barack -- and any of his supporters with media access -- MUST NOT TAKE THE BAIT. The Barack revolutionaries must continue to asuage voters that all of this race language--where ever it came from--did NOT originate with him or his campaign.
Put it this way: someone laid down in the bed of racial politics, and the only piece of evidence is a blonde pubic hair. All Barack has to say is "it ain't mine".
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html
Hillary Clinton team throws racially-tinged mud at Barack Obama nonstop
Monday, January 14th 2008, 4:00 AM
As Barack Obama continues to get the full Clinton treatment - a daily, nonstop stream of attacks from Hillary and her supporters - chroniclers of Obama's extraordinary rise must sort through the muck and ask whether the mud being thrown is racist garbage or run-of-of-the-mill political garbage.
It's a hell of a call to make, the political equivalent of asking whether a back-alley baseball-bat ambush is a hate crime or "merely" a mugging.
As if it made a difference to the victim.
Consider the following incidents, all of which took place in the last month.
Clinton's New Hampshire director, Bill Shaheen, the husband of ex-Gov. Jeanne Shaheen, told The Washington Post that Obama, if made the Democratic nominee, would have to answer questions like, "Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?" Shaheen apologized for the remark - a reference to Obama's admission in his best-selling book that he experimented with drugs as a student - and resigned from his campaign post.
In recent days, billionaire Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, revived the same attack, making a disparaging reference to "when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood; I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book."
Ex-Atlanta Mayor Andrew Young threw out a crude racist gag line on live television, quipping that ex-President Bill Clinton "is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barack."
Ex-Sen. Bob Kerrey, president of The New School, another Clinton surrogate, aimed a religious low blow by saying Obama "spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa" when growing up. He later apologized, part of the Clinton team's pattern of skipping back and forth across the lines of decency.
All these attacks are coming from people who have been public figures for decades, who we must assume are fully aware of what they're saying. Some are black and some are white.
Sadly, the victim is not just Obama himself, but the broader public, especially Obama's most important target constituency - people grown cynical or apathetic about politics who don't normally vote.
Taking a campaign into the gutter is a tried-and-true method of suppressing voter turnout. The idea is to make people so disgusted that they stay home, enabling the election to be won by a handful of loyal supporters.
Clinton herself would never admit to consciously trying to turn Americans off from voting.
What we know for sure is that the Clinton team has been throwing racially tinged mud at Obama nonstop, while the Illinois senator has refused to respond in kind.
It signals an early end to the hope, embodied in Obama's life story and candidacy, that the 2008 campaign might be free of the orchestrated poisoning of American politics.
elouis@nydailynews.com
Someone in the MSM actually got someting right for a change.
Who knew.
The issue of context is moot, to the extent that these types of things have actually been said.
2. The Clintons-and their supporters-are dumb for making these kind of statements, knowing full well that they're going to be taken out of context.
And to credibly admonish Obama or his supporters to ignore it, you first have to concede that there is, in fact, something contextual to ignore.
As you suggest, Obama's response will say it all. And I think all he has to do is indicate to the voters that all the crap that's being said, certainly isn't coming from HIS campaign ...
dnA wrote:
All of which has the "unintended" side effect of keeping the nigger in his place, which is with other niggers, not in the White House. White people, you will notice, never have obligations not to "sell-out" their people, because they see themselves as individuals. We don't have that freedom yet.
The Democrat Party represents socialism, and is well known for 'playing-the-race-card' (one of the key ingredients of socialism here in America). Socialism, like Communism, is a system that doesn't allow for the 'Individual'.
It should come as no surprise to you, that the powerbrokers of the Democrat Party are now ‘playing-the-race-card’ against Obama, since they have always feared “African-Americans” who could stand up as individuals, e.g. Condi Rice, Justice Thomas, etc.
The Democrat Party hates the ideal of Capitalism, since Capitalism is primarily about the rights and freedoms of the individual. Basically, dnA, IMO, you have been duped by the Democrat Party, and are just now realizing it.
Won't happen, of course, but would be interesting (if not outright funny) to watch.
While we should leave the Democratic Party en masse, because of the way Barack Obama is being treated, why should we join the Republican Party? Now, you wouldn't happen to be a member of the Ron Paul club that is all in favor of capitalism, the individualist and all, as long as it isn't one of those black individualist.
I mean, don't you think we have too much freedom alrightly?
Lawdy, Lawdy, Mr. Seaberry, what are WE going to do?
And that's why damn near every white Republican and Clintonite are hoping for; the Angry Black Man.
Pelham, NY 1953
I think about her often now.
She came into the apartment
Smile first.
I liked to see her warmness
Say hello first.
She spoke slowly when she spoke to me
And listened too;
She brought me collard greens
Black eyed peas
Ham hocks.
Seemed always to be happy about things
Laughing softly.
I think about Aunt Delia often now.
She wasn't really my aunt
That was too bad, she was nice.
Soft, wrinkled hands
Bony joints on thin brown fingers
Raised only to make a point,
Never in anger.
I think about Aunt Delia often now.
A colored woman
Who was a part of my family.
I never noticed color
She was just Aunt Delia
I think about her often now.
I'v already written Marian Wright Edelman asking her to address Hillary Clinton's opposition to retroactivity for Mandatory Sentencing, but I haven't heard from her. If she does endorse Senator Clinton, let's see if she can "shuck and jive" her way of that contradiction.
You sure use the word "we" a lot, in case you didn't notice.
Republican Party and Ron Paul club...I’m further to the right of both, and mainly just vote against the Democrat/Socialist Party, i.e. not necessarily voting for the Republican Party.
black individualist...?!?...anyway, personally, as an individual I do not look at myself in terms of color.
we...there you go again.
WE...capitalized this time.
....of which I'm neither, so...
I'm going to play it from a different angle: he needs to show some toughness. He needs to show that he can mix it up witht he best of them (and the Clintons seem to be pretty good), instead of taking the "holier than thou," abover the fray attitude he's been taking.
I think it's the Rove card.
Hit your opponent on all of his strong points. The war, youth, inspirational brilliance, and if you believe the meme that white folks only support him because we feel guilty or need imaginary Black friends, then you hit him there too somehow.
Your analysis filled in the rest of the picture about how this was supposed to play out with Black folks vis a vis white folks vis a vis Black folks. That's the evil genius of the Rove card, because now we're going in circles.
I don't know if it's possible to play the Rove card against a Black candidate without sounding bigoted, condescending, ignorant, and/or insensitive, but what kind of decent person wants to try?
I see no reason to cut her any slack at all. They didn't have to go there.
It's very sad about the young Cuomo. Obama is the most inspirational Democrat since Mario Cuomo. And Obama has the guts to put it on the line for us. But it was always going to be Up Hil against the Clinton machine.
The other guest, Bob Simon from politico.com had to say that Hilary was wrong and tore down an icon with her comments. I hate it when black journalists and politicians carry water for the Clintons no matter how embarrassing and out of touch they are with black public opinion.
Listen, I'm not completely sold on Obama's candidacy (see Glen Ford's criticisms) but we should all pay attention to the paternalism of the Clinton Dynasty...
Oh My! Now Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee another Clinton lackey, is defending Hilary's comments on MLK.
WTF???
Be it race or Iraq or voting record, these distortions are malicious. Hopefully, Obama can rightfully portray these non-attack attacks as Karl Rovian in nature, instead of racist in nature.
Bob Johnson needs to STFU and SIT DOWN. This man got rich denigrating black women and the entire black community. The smut merchant is throwing stones. Christ! That he gets any airtime for his foolishness is unbelievable.
Andy Young's remarks foreshadow the ugly trump card that someone in the Clinton campaign is trolling for: the photo of Obama with the white girls at Harvard (or is it Yale?) If they can Harold Ford him, they will. Mark my words.
"black" people only want our "blackness." Our otherness. Our victimhood. Our shruggle.
Thats all that will satify black folks like these.
Well keep the shit. 'cause that's all we gonna have with Billary.
Eeeeevil white male Republican here. Nobody on the Right that I've met or read takes this view, mainly because Identity Politics are a Leftist trope, never a Rightwing one.
To the Right, the only 'people' one should have in mind are the American People. Thats why we're so frequently disgusted with race-baiters and -hustlers.
Its also why I admire Obama thus far: I have not seen him play the race card, which makes me think that finally we have a worthy adversary, someone I could respect even though I despise his politics.
And understand, I'm well aware that the Right frequently fails at fulfilling its own high standards, but at least we'll do you the service of treating Obama as a political enemy rather than some uppity black guy.
Hillary is only digging on his race because she hasn't any of her own views. Don't you see? She has nothing else to work with.
Hope for the Future
Difficult as it may be, Obama needs to stay on the high road and not let the Clinton machine take his focus off the voters. WE ARE LISTENING.
My daughter is biracial, and I know it can be difficult...even in 2008. Everyone is always trying to tell you who you are. You find yourself never being on the right side of the color line. I'm not voting for Obama because of his skin color, or some perceived loyalty to whites (or blacks for that matter). I'm voting for him because he is the most rational, inclusive, and inspiring candidate I've seen in a long time. I'm a 40 year old white female, and will cast my vote for Obama in NJ on February 5th. So much for NJ being Hillary country!
In a word: Excellence.
There is simply too much value placed on mediocrity these days. Hell, I'd say its enforced to be perfectly frank. Could we produce the same great men and women of the past? I don't think so. Even politicians are focused on maintaining good poll results - a recipe for mediocrity if there ever was one.
Remember the old hymn?
Dare to be a Daniel,
Dare to stand alone!
Dare to have a purpose firm!
Dare to make it known.
Just add Don't to the front of every line and you've got every spineless "leader" out there.
The Clintons know that if they win the election, there will be no one else for whom African-Americans can vote since voting for a Republcian would be suicide. For the Clinton campaign, this is a win-win situation. They have nothing to lose.
Last year, people sent CBS packages of peanuts to campaign for the return of the TV show "Jericho." Someone needs to start a similar campaign with the Clinton. Maybe blogs should have a picture of Hillary with a red stop logo over it. Or, a Clinton Free Zone logo?
This is why I wished that Clinton had lost in New Hampshire. If you look at John Edwards, he has stayed about using racist games to win votes and focused on the issues. A contest between Edwards and Obama would have been much better for the country.
Bill Clinton as President signed the "Three Strikes Law," which emptied black communities all over America of its black men. This law expanded the building of prisons in America, to the extent that large investment firms were offering stock options as Christmas gifts to their children. Jail building and expansion suddenly was an American pasttime, creating jobs for whites who had been socialized to view black men only as animals behind cages.
Bill Clinton also signed the "Personal Responsibility Act of 1996" which moved already impoverished black women from welfare into low-paying and low-skilled jobs, which allowed companies to fire these women after receiving tax credits allowed by the state and federal governments.
Unfortuantely a clause of the agreement stipulated that women had to obtain work and after 5 years could not return to the system. If women lost their jobs or were imprisoned they could not receive benefits under this new law. As a result women unable to work because of low-skill sets and little experience ultimately found themselves in jail too. Corporate America benefitted, but the black community lost its ability to educate its children, feed its families, or medicate the sick. Families became more fragmented, separated and the levels of poverty were further exacerbated.
People congratulated the law for the numbers of women who fell out of the system, just as number of black imprisonments increased during Bill's tenure.
Black men in the meantime were incarcerated based on three convictions. This served to make America the world's largest jailer of her own citizens. Quite a distinction!!!
Bill Clinton left a legacy that destroyed black communities throughout America, and managed to kill off the one person who helped him get elected twice as President in the United States, Ron Brown a brilliant black strategist. The Clinton legacy needs to end, and right now.
Barack Obama is a threat to the Clinton Clan and those who support it like Bob Johnson, who has successfully allowed the demoralization of African American youth to nose-dive into perpetuity by being driven by the money he made with his network, BET, which was sold to a white owner.
Johnson obviously likes white women, and that is probably why he is divorced today and defends the Hillary of the Clinton Clan. Johnson's former wife is black and likely would not do the things he believed he was entitled to receive as a black millionaire in America.
Finally, Hillary has a preference for white women and the activities of white people in general. Her world does not include black people unless they are ironing her clothes or shining her shoes. Also, Bill Clinton opened an office in Harlem as evidence of his affection for black people in the Harlem Mecca. However, Bill Clinton rarely shows up at that office since opening it, and if he does show up, he does not stay long.
Barack Obama as president might be able to do more for America than Bill Clinton ever did, and certainly improve the race relations in this nation and throughout the world. Obama might be able to get the 600,000 residents of the District of Columbia representation in the Congress, where other people including Nancy Pelosi could not. Obama might be able to redirect the troops out of the Middle East, where George Bush and most Republican candidates believe an extended stay is necessary. Obama might be able to create jobs to improve the American economy, while education and healthcare might find meaningful pathways beneficial to all Americans. Obama might be able to quell the hatred being spewed in the immigration debate.
Won't know if white people are enpassioned to believe that a black man cannot do the job a white woman can. White people have an extraordinary opportunity to become informed and make the right decisions based on accomplishments. Obama did not enter this race because he was black, but because of his personal dissatisfaction of where the country was going.
People are reacting to the Clinton machine, which does not work anymore in my opinion. The Bush Family has done enough to destroy America, and another Clinton is not needed to implode the country for good.
I am a registered vioter, a black woman, holding a Masters degree in Public Policy Administration. I need a job, because right now I drive a taxicab. Hillary believes I should be in a service oriented position, and not one of public service. For that reason she will not receive my vote.
Then I may just commit suicide (along those lines). At this point, if HRC wins the nomination, I will not vote for her. If McCain or Guiliani is the Repub. nominee, I will vote for them. If Huckabee, Thompson, or Romney is the nominee, I either write-in someone or leave that category blank (if allowed).
Oddly, if Obama doesn't win this time, I don't want HRC to win. If she wins, that means Obama may never have another shot at president. HRC will be in office for at least four years, and no one will run against her among the Dems if she runs for re-election (which she would), so even if she weren't re-elected, it would be another 8 years before Obama could make another run at it. If a Republican wins, Obama only has to wait another four years. Obviously, these are worst-case scenarios from my point of view.
Damn. I'm good. Called you out and you took the bait.
Ladies and Gentlemen for all to see, there he is Mr. Seaberry a man of the people.
Now how far to the right are you really? Huh?
To the comment above we, Obama supporters are not over-reacting. I can not speak for all, but I am sick and tired of seeing Hillary attack Barack and white people believing the lying biatch.
She is coldly calculating her moves. She got exactly the reaction she wanted, a quiet "I think you may have offended some people" and nothing more, then has people believing "He played the race card". She is a bigot, of this I am now sure.
Even black people trust her. Sad day for the US of A.
"Propaganda must not serve the truth, especially not insofar as it might bring out something favorable for the opponent." Adolph Hitler
This is very sad. I have called his campaign hq whenever I hear of some hint of possible dirt being stated or having been said. I hate that. Why can't they stick to the issues? Do they have any other than the other party is wrong?
PS. I am a Conservative, but I truly believe you wrote an excellent article. And I do not like people attacking other people, especially when it comes to race, religion, etc. Will we ever find a way to come together? To come alongside one another? This is my prayer. Have a wonderful day.
PSS. I came over through digg. Good day.