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@ms. martin
Yep, and he's dodging their bullets like Neo.
Why should he have to answer on whether or not Wright loves America!!!
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you love America? DO YOU LOVE AMERICA?!?
Once again, Barack was Neo. "He was a Marine." But like a lot of black folk who lived through Jim Crow, Rev. Wright is not fucking Captain America.
I wonder if he knew any of his mother's relatives.
Seriously, ABC News has not asked one serious question. Instead they're connecting the dots of every faux controversy (Rev. Wright, "bitter", Bosnia snipers, flag pins, etc.).
What's next...
"Sen. Obama, are you a Muslim?"
This is a bullshit debate, and Obama just slapped Hillary with Bill Clinton' pardoning of two members of the Weather Underground.
"Hillary, do you have a vagina?"
What was that explanation of the Bosnia sniper fire lie?
Am I watching Fixed Noise?
"Sen. Obama, you listened to a Public Enemy album back in 1988, are you and Prof Griff equally patriotic?"
What did they spend 50 minutes on Jeremiah Wright and other bs?
-Translation:
"Oops, my bad."
Give me a break!
He had the most questions and the most follow-up questions! Obama
They didn't ask her about Columbia or Mark Penn or Bill Clinton...all current, close associates! But Ayers, someone who live in his neighborhood, he has to answer for??!!
thread, but I think it fits this debate:
Celebrity Deathmatch:
The Angry Negro vs. The Media (aka The Angry White Men)!
A lot of loaded questions. And they're not letting them (specifically Obama) finish their points.
Every faux controversy of both candidates was touched on. Sadly, even that was the usual coverage with nothing novel.
Without even approaching those issues with a bit of grace or intellect, most people who have serious questions about the candidates tuned to better forms of entertainment. The only ones left watching were the partisan supporters of each picking apart each gaffe or misstep.
Thank you,
ABC News
"Sen. Obama, does the fact that you haven't surgically removed the mole on your face indicate you support a form of benign cancer?"
As much as I love him...obama has to make his mark.
HellOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Obama
what did you expect him to "do".
How can Obama make his mark when they keep asking him about BS. Every debate we have to go through the nonesense that the media wants to keep alive. By the time they get to the real issues, people have turned off the tv. I know I did. I just couldn't take it anymore.
Where's a YouTube debate when you need one?
"Sen. Obama, do you say the N-word?"
Jenn
My jaw is still open
- KXB
I hate Charles Gibson, smug mofo - it was clear he's no Obama fan. Someone said something to him after the debate about his associates being investigated, I didn't catch that. I think he looked stupid for not letting Obama finish his answer to one question.
ANGELA
OBAMA DID THE BEST HE COULD UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES - that was an all and out lynching.
Hillary came of as the liar she really is. I hope those poll numbers about her honesty ring in her ears all night long.
i guess we know now...swiftboat abc. swiftboat weatherman. i am so angry i am beside myself. charlie gibson...pompous ass. george stephanopolous...rat. hillary cinton...junior high nightmare. and on olberman, chuck todd is saying obama was rattled... like duh! who knew the fix was in?
we all need to send bucks, take some time away from big brother and have faith in each other and the campaign and barack. he is a frickin saint. yes we can. one love.
MSNBC political director Chuck Todd put it best. The campaign in Todd's words has sunk to such a low-level of politics that people will question what is the point?
"Sen. Obama, you were born in 1961. Che Guevara was alive. Do you reject and denounce him?"
Why would he create an impression Obama was being evasive?
George, Charlie & Sean Hannity all mofos!
No one should be surprised. If the other candidates can't stop him, and the voters won't, the MSM will sure as hell try.
Goodnight!
thanks for a great laugh on the public enemy prof. griff disavowal.
dear jenn, he is pledging to be PRESIDENT OF THE FRAT! they can't stand how he is going around them by speaking to the people. they are mad.
You mean to tell me that they were in Pennsylvania and there were NO questions about trade and the Clinton connection to Columbia and China?? WTF?
---Sepia
One Hillary supporter told me that this ruins her chances cause she can only win by desperately tying him to guilt by association arguments.
I'm calling ABC's debate tonight, "Desperate White Housewives"
"Sen. Obama, a pixy died today, are you not going to clap?"
Also, no mention of the "screw 'em" comment?
I agree with everyone here. I sat through the first 90 minutes and was not impressed with abc at all. I was particularly upset with the argumentative style of the moderators.
Just watch this mofo! I practically hate him!
<... complain
ABC/DISNEY phone: 818-560-1000 go to #2 then #6 then # 639
Here's another: 818-460-7477
do call
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/16/211134/946?detail=f
Tomorrow I'm calling ABC, and I'm writing their sponsors. This is bullsh*t the way Gibson and Stefan-whatever-the-hell-his-name-is treated Obama. Nobody brought up the "screw 'em" comment to Clinton. But Obama had to explain his affiliation with his third grade teacher.
I suggest to everyone to write a nice email.
Phone line was busy, but I'm gonna try again.
But, that's it for me...no more bullshit debates with that heifer. Next debate will be with John McBush.
I am disgusted by what I witnessed tonight on what should have been a Democratic debate. The audience was restrained from applauding because this was supposedly a debate for Pennsylvanians; however, there was not a single question asked about trade. In an economically devastated region, there was not a single question about creating jobs but Charlie Gibson pressed the issue of capital gains in an argumentative style not appropriate for a debate. This debate was a insult to the American people
they limit the characters you can type. I am soooo enraged.
Boy, I refused to watch this debate tonight because the media has gotten under my skin..officially. From what I have been reading and hearing...this debate was disgraceful!!
Oh boy!!
The funniest posts ever!!
Phillip- classic. I should pay you for making me laugh that hard.
Ms. Martin- Of course he knows his mothers side of the family. He is a regular person. He dealt with all of the family issues love and confusion like any other bi-racial child growing up in the 60's. He is just well adjusted...now.
Thank all of you. We have a long way to go until November. Thank GOD Almighty for Jack and Jill Politics!! I love the whole fam.
kenya
"Is ABC News aware of a lawsuit being filed by the Jackson 5 for copyright infringements of its hit song, A-B-C?"
- KXB
---Sepia
Philip...hilarious. You suggest thoses for the general.
Hillary-"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb"...hmmm
"Will ABC also simulcast the scheduled steel cage match between Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama for World Wrestling Entertainment?"
Ain't nobody asking if he's Black enough now......
BWA HA HA HA HA HA
Sorry....trying to lighten things up here. My blood pressure rose just going from board to board reading the comments on it.
I've decided not to watch it and just delete it from the tivo.
This was the worst Presidential debate I’ve ever watched. The latent racism-that a black man’s affiliations must be suspect-is offensive. Gibson and Stephanopoulos chose to focus on Sen. Obama’s acquaintances. Why the hell is it relevant that his pastor said some offensive things? Are we supposed to assume that Obama harbors those same opinions? And if that’s the case, why didn’t anyone direct a question toward Sen. Clinton and her husband’s adultery? Does this mean she will cheat, too?
Nope
Oh yes, please feel free to copy & paste.
Another e-mail to ABC News:
"Can ABC News explain a nationwide blackout of all television sets tuned in to its station after 8:55pm eastern standard time?"
You had me laughing out loud on the cheating part!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
-- Sepia
"Some have said your next debate will be between Sen. Clinton and Willie Horton, any truth to those programming rumors?"
Ms. Martin- Of course he knows his mothers side of the family. He is a regular person. He dealt with all of the family issues love and confusion like any other bi-racial child growing up in the 60's. He is just well adjusted...now.
I was just asking because I haven't read anything about them.
I wanted to make the point that they would clearly be rural working class people and that would kill the argument that he doesn't know them.
"Mr. Obama do you allow you daughters to play with white dolls?"
"Have you taught them the pledge of alliegance?"
They are that desperate it seems. Anything...anything.
My fam lives a stone throw from the Clintons home in Chappaqua. I should head up there and egg her house=)
He is very intelligent..he is eloquent, I think he played the cards too close to his chest tonight.
I think he should have taken the fight to her....he let her skate by.
Before I was so disgusted with Gibson and Stephanopoulos (and still am) that I hardly noticed Clinton's despicable Ayers diatribe.
Scumbbag Gibson saying he's so sorry they've paid soooo much attention to Obama that he hasn't given Clinton enough chance to talk. Prick.
There are two op-ed already over at Huffington.
get it....???
Obama let Clinton get by tonight...why? I haven't a clue
I'm not saying that Obama is soley responsible, but I think the people deserve to know. to me this is a legitimate bit of information that people need to know unlike Tanya's spin that he is condescending to them by calling them bitter. Why don't they bring up that Asian guy who was a big contributer and whose $ her campaign was forced to return? I'm sure there are a myriad of unscrupulous people in the lives of the clinton's. I hate to see him roll with their BS.
Seriously, black folk, we need to laugh at this debate to keep from crying.
Fuck what Pat Buchanan is saying, the headlines will be on the poverty of the debate. The blogs are burning with indignation. Olbermann is going to kill them. The alternative press is going to eat ABC alive.
"Sen. Obama, considering your parents were an interracial couple in a time where their coupling was illegal in many states, aren't you therefore a natural-born criminal?"
WTF
She admitted that she purposely lied. Which means that when she said that she wasn't lying, she was lying some more. It means that her husband's defense of her comments was another lie.
A whole viper's nest of lies, and everybody shrugs and let's it go.
But, Obama is the one getting the free pass.
It's difficult to control my anger right now.
The viewers in Pennsylvania that haven't had a chance to meet Obama who are sitting on the fence (if they watched the whole lynching party, that is) will probably vote for Hillary.
But I can't imagine anyone being swayed that match by that debacle.
If anything, there will be a backlash, Obama will get a lot of money, and the citizenry will begin to boycott ABC and its advertisers.
You can't count of people to be stupid forever.
You see Obama...look what you did!!
I'm out.
Whatever, my two cents is just that...I don't have a vote in PA...but, I am a volunteer in KY for Obama.
I'll continue to work for him...although I know my county will go for McCain..most here can't stand Hillary and don't want a black president....my efforts will only help to mitigate the number of delegates Clinton gets. I am convinced I live in a racist county, whatever...I will push on.
I went and watched the first hour anyway.
First of all, my blood pressure has been raised.
Second of all Angela, I feel what you're saying, but I'm going to give Obama his props.
That he didn't go South Side on all them Mofos and cuss their asses out is a testament to him.
I couldn't even get past that, so obvious and blatant it was.
Haha...lol
obama may come out stronger because it was so ugly. abc better hope that is the case or charlie and his sidekick will go down as the lee atwaters of our time.
He asked us to support him...he can get tired just like the rest of us but don't tell me the "leader, Barack Obama would allow himself to think he is a whiner or a wimp when the rest of his followers are not.
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That's why I think he won. Because that was what they were baiting him to do.
But let's be real. The real losers were those who can't afford cable or Internet access in PA and who have a TV with regular network coverage who tuned in to finally find out what these candidates would do for them.
They don't have a clue who Wright is, who Ayers is, where Tuzla is and why should anybody care if their president wears a flag pin. Neither candidate was wearing one, so what was the big deal?
These people will stay home or just go and vote for the candidate who looked the best to them because that's all they could get out of this 'debate.'
It was the worst debate I've ever seen and if I wasn't addicted to this shit, I would've turned it off after the first 10 minutes.
(Or just watched American Idol.)
This is sent to express my extreme disgust with that so-called "debate" that occured Wednesday night (4/16/2008).
I do not appreciate such a biased attitude exhibited by the two moderators, with their "gotcha" questions.
When we as a nation see billions squandered in the war in Iraq, our economy poised for a fall into resession, housing crisis, rising oil and food prices, and dwindling paychecks, it is madness to be subjected to such a performance in incompetence.
Get a grip.
He defended himself the best he could short of gut-punching a mofo!
But, that's what they wanted him to do to lose it.
You are like one in 1 million of his supporters who that can't see that was a set up.
I understand where you're coming from, Angela. I really do. But, tonight, if nothing else was as stark to you as it was for me, I tried to make light of things, and lighten things up here because I am sitting on a mound of rage at the outright lynching of this man that I have seen accumulate for him ever since that heifer at Huffingtonpost published the ' bitter' remarks.
Actually, it was before that.
Angela, we can be disappointed, but we can't abandon him. For, he is alone. He's Jackie Robinson and he has to shove all this racist bullshit down, because he is who he is. And, because he is who he is, I think it somewhat hurts him more than some of us who are more cynical, ya know?
I donated tonight, I will be calling again tomorrow. I will not abandon him, even though it's hard.
Could he have done better? Sure he could have. Could he have been as vicious to that heifer as she was to him....I would love for him to have done so, but that's not who he is, and he's trying to be true to himself. Respect him for that.
volunteers work hard, but I don't think it can compare to the pressure Obama is under. I heard him say he gets 4 hours sleep...this is weeks on end. He has to prepare for every appearance. Can you imagine the loads of material he has to go through to prepare for debate? Think of the constant traveling. He has been doing this for close to 2 years! A volunteer can quit when they get tired...he can't! Think of all the insults to him and his wife! Think of the humiliation he has to endure from nobody reporters like Lou Dobbs and company. Could you handle that??!! I know I couldn't.
I am sometimes angry at Obama for not pouncing on Hillary's gaffes in the past. He brought some things up tonight...but I think he should have nailed her long ago. But I am deeply empathetic to the tightrope he has to walk....I understand intimately what that means.
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I've already sent an email, but I will call tomorrow.
I think the headlines tomorrow will be about the quality of the deabte.
Folks are outraged about that sideshow!
I feel so bad for Barack and Michelle, they are literally taking a mental and emotional beating in a quest to help the people of this country to a better place.
dear abc,
your debate questions and moderators were ...
BULLSHIT...
and you know it....so
FUCK YOU!
How do we know if those threats have subsided or gotten worse.
What if the recent manufactured firestorm caused those threats to increase? What if his family received a threat today?
I'm not making excuses for his performance, but there's a whole lot more going on than meets the eye.
We simply can't know what's going on.
Obama knows, though. He had an off night.
Don't fret about the outcome.
It already is the story in the blogosphere, but it won't be in the NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, small town newspapers, etc.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how he did so bad considering the context and nature.
Where do you think he was weak at?
I know you're right, but I hope at least Olberman will touch on it.
Make no mistake, Barack Obama's bottom-up movement threatens those interests.
If you want to make an impact save your emails and phone calls and boycott ABC and all its affiliates. In fact, you'd have to stop watching all the networks and boycotting all their advertisers.
You'd have to become Amish.
But it wasn't a good performance.
I'm bet he fell off the wagon tonight and had a few cigarettes.
I agree. I volunteered for a few days in Rhode Island, but there are TONS of full-time volunteers who bust their behinds for the Obama campaign going from state to state - and the pressure they are under doesn't come near what Obama himself faces.
He is not only running this campaign, he has early Secret Service protection that he couldn't afford to refuse like McCain and two young daughters - also under Secret Service protection - to think about.
I'm not surprised that questions about Ayers, Rev. Wright and the stupid flag pin would take precedence over Columbia, Mark Penn, or the "Screw 'em" comments. But I am hoping for a pro-Obama backlash that will just piss the MSM off! I am really, truly hoping that most Americans FINALLY stand up and show the MSM and the real "elites" that they are not stupid.
This is the first election where the internet is playing a HUGE part (hence, the idea that we know right away that ABC has received a boatload of critical comments on their website) and it has, and will continue to be, favorable to Obama. The fact that people are reading blogs and watching YouTube helps him in the longrun so I'm still hopeful.
Maybe you're right. To me it looked liked he was surprised and disappointed to discover it was going to be 3 against 1.
I think we need an "angry? What you can do about it thread"
we can post links of pages/addresses/phone no/ where we can take action to channel frustration.
I have some ideas about what's going on. What we see in the campaign doesn't make any sense..but an idea has occurred to me and it's interesting because I go a hunch about this weeks ago but dismissed it. I'm too tired to type it up right now...maybe sometime tomorrow..that's if anybody gives a damn.
goodnight.
I can't promise in advance that I would be involved; I'm needing to be very careful and deliberately grounded in deciding what I do and don't do in relation to all this. But I have tons of respect for your intuition and I would love the opportunity to know what you're thinking about ... and get involved if it is right for me to do.
I hope you post about it! (or email it to me at storiesproject at mindspring dot com if you don't post? But hopefully you will post it)
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The counter is broken. Folks have screenshots. ABC please fix the problem."
Since the counter didn't change from when I posted it to when I attempted to pull up the page again, it probably didn't make it. Or maybe it did. Oh well.