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Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Nita — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:42:00 -0000

for some reason I can't pull up comments anymore at ABC, probably just a glitch.

"It's currently 1:33am MST, 04.20.08: The current post count is: 19709.

Last time I checked in, 6:00ish pm MST, 04.19.08: 19866

Approximately 15 hours before that: 19929

The morning before that: 20000+

The counter is broken. Folks have screenshots. ABC please fix the problem."

Since the counter didn't change from when I posted it to when I attempted to pull up the page again, it probably didn't make it. Or maybe it did. Oh well.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Michelle — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:14:00 -0000

@ TruthSeeker: I give a damn! I'd love to know about your idea.

I can't promise in advance that I would be involved; I'm needing to be very careful and deliberately grounded in deciding what I do and don't do in relation to all this. But I have tons of respect for your intuition and I would love the opportunity to know what you're thinking about ... and get involved if it is right for me to do.

I hope you post about it! (or email it to me at storiesproject at mindspring dot com if you don't post? But hopefully you will post it)

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

TruthSeeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:05:00 -0000

Jack and Jill,

I think we need an "angry? What you can do about it thread"

we can post links of pages/addresses/phone no/ where we can take action to channel frustration.

I have some ideas about what's going on. What we see in the campaign doesn't make any sense..but an idea has occurred to me and it's interesting because I go a hunch about this weeks ago but dismissed it. I'm too tired to type it up right now...maybe sometime tomorrow..that's if anybody gives a damn.

goodnight.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

kid — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:37:00 -0000

I have an idea that might help. Most of Stephanopolis questions came from Sean Hannity's radio show.We should all contact Pennsylvania MSM and Jewish media and let them know before tuesday about Hal Turner,Sean Hannity's anti-semitic,racist friend that had a sleepover at Hannity's home. He even invited him to Fox studios. Sean's friend want to blow ricin into Sen.Obama's face. I don't think Baraack had the Weather Underground sleep at his house.this would shut Hannity up, then O'reilly is next.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:36:00 -0000

Craig

Maybe you're right. To me it looked liked he was surprised and disappointed to discover it was going to be 3 against 1.

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Nichelle — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:33:00 -0000

volunteers work hard, but I don't think it can compare to the pressure Obama is under. I heard him say he gets 4 hours sleep..

I agree. I volunteered for a few days in Rhode Island, but there are TONS of full-time volunteers who bust their behinds for the Obama campaign going from state to state - and the pressure they are under doesn't come near what Obama himself faces.

He is not only running this campaign, he has early Secret Service protection that he couldn't afford to refuse like McCain and two young daughters - also under Secret Service protection - to think about.

I'm not surprised that questions about Ayers, Rev. Wright and the stupid flag pin would take precedence over Columbia, Mark Penn, or the "Screw 'em" comments. But I am hoping for a pro-Obama backlash that will just piss the MSM off! I am really, truly hoping that most Americans FINALLY stand up and show the MSM and the real "elites" that they are not stupid.

This is the first election where the internet is playing a HUGE part (hence, the idea that we know right away that ABC has received a boatload of critical comments on their website) and it has, and will continue to be, favorable to Obama. The fact that people are reading blogs and watching YouTube helps him in the longrun so I'm still hopeful.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

justice58 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:29:00 -0000

After that BS debate tonight, Barack needed that cigarette!

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Craig Hickman — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:22:00 -0000

ms.martin, I don't think Obama was awful. But he wasn't sharp. He lacked energy. I do think he was tired and frustrated and probably wanting to slap somebody. He kept his cool as he knew he must. Got in a few digs and Hillary and the moderators and held his ground.

But it wasn't a good performance.

I'm bet he fell off the wagon tonight and had a few cigarettes.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:17:00 -0000

All complaints to ABC will go unheard. ABC is protecting its interests.

Make no mistake, Barack Obama's bottom-up movement threatens those interests.

If you want to make an impact save your emails and phone calls and boycott ABC and all its affiliates. In fact, you'd have to stop watching all the networks and boycotting all their advertisers.

You'd have to become Amish.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:17:00 -0000

Scruncher

I know you're right, but I hope at least Olberman will touch on it.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:14:00 -0000

Craig

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how he did so bad considering the context and nature.

Where do you think he was weak at?

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

scruncher — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:13:00 -0000

I'm afraid the news *won't* be about the moderators and ABC because the media hates to go after itself.

It already is the story in the blogosphere, but it won't be in the NYTimes, WaPo, LATimes, small town newspapers, etc.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:11:00 -0000

Another thing that we forget is that Obama got death threats so long ago he was the first presidential candidate outside of Clinton to have SS protection.

How do we know if those threats have subsided or gotten worse.

What if the recent manufactured firestorm caused those threats to increase? What if his family received a threat today?

I'm not making excuses for his performance, but there's a whole lot more going on than meets the eye.

We simply can't know what's going on.

Obama knows, though. He had an off night.

Don't fret about the outcome.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

andyfrombrooklyn — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:10:00 -0000

what i wrote in my email to abc...
dear abc,

your debate questions and moderators were ...

BULLSHIT...

and you know it....so

FUCK YOU!

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:03:00 -0000

Thanks Cranky:

I've already sent an email, but I will call tomorrow.

I think the headlines tomorrow will be about the quality of the deabte.

Folks are outraged about that sideshow!

I feel so bad for Barack and Michelle, they are literally taking a mental and emotional beating in a quest to help the people of this country to a better place.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:57:00 -0000

I did like it when Gibson asked Hillary if she thought 8,000 people should have left Trinity.

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cranky — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:56:00 -0000

In case somebody wants to talk to somebody at ABC

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Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:54:00 -0000

I trust that he knows what he's doing, afterall he has come this far.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

TruthSeeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:50:00 -0000

@ angela,

volunteers work hard, but I don't think it can compare to the pressure Obama is under. I heard him say he gets 4 hours sleep...this is weeks on end. He has to prepare for every appearance. Can you imagine the loads of material he has to go through to prepare for debate? Think of the constant traveling. He has been doing this for close to 2 years! A volunteer can quit when they get tired...he can't! Think of all the insults to him and his wife! Think of the humiliation he has to endure from nobody reporters like Lou Dobbs and company. Could you handle that??!! I know I couldn't.

I am sometimes angry at Obama for not pouncing on Hillary's gaffes in the past. He brought some things up tonight...but I think he should have nailed her long ago. But I am deeply empathetic to the tightrope he has to walk....I understand intimately what that means.

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Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:50:00 -0000

The ABC and MSNBC online vote totals show Obama as having won.

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rikyrah — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:38:00 -0000

By the way.. for those who have said Barack is tired??? too bad...we, his supporters who are out there every day...who sometimes sacrifice to donate to his candidacy??

I understand where you're coming from, Angela. I really do. But, tonight, if nothing else was as stark to you as it was for me, I tried to make light of things, and lighten things up here because I am sitting on a mound of rage at the outright lynching of this man that I have seen accumulate for him ever since that heifer at Huffingtonpost published the ' bitter' remarks.

Actually, it was before that.

Angela, we can be disappointed, but we can't abandon him. For, he is alone. He's Jackie Robinson and he has to shove all this racist bullshit down, because he is who he is. And, because he is who he is, I think it somewhat hurts him more than some of us who are more cynical, ya know?

I donated tonight, I will be calling again tomorrow. I will not abandon him, even though it's hard.

Could he have done better? Sure he could have. Could he have been as vicious to that heifer as she was to him....I would love for him to have done so, but that's not who he is, and he's trying to be true to himself. Respect him for that.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:37:00 -0000

Angela

Get a grip.

He defended himself the best he could short of gut-punching a mofo!

But, that's what they wanted him to do to lose it.

You are like one in 1 million of his supporters who that can't see that was a set up.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Admiral Komack — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:36:00 -0000

My remarks to ABC:

This is sent to express my extreme disgust with that so-called "debate" that occured Wednesday night (4/16/2008).

I do not appreciate such a biased attitude exhibited by the two moderators, with their "gotcha" questions.

When we as a nation see billions squandered in the war in Iraq, our economy poised for a fall into resession, housing crisis, rising oil and food prices, and dwindling paychecks, it is madness to be subjected to such a performance in incompetence.