Hello! Jack and Jill Politics is using DISQUS, a powerful comment system, to manage its comments. Learn more.
Community Page
- www.jackandjillpolitics.com/ Jump to website »
-
Subscribe -
Community
-
Top Commenters
-
Popular Threads
-
Recent Comments
- You know what's missing out of American life these days? Guys who were just single and straight, and never got married, except perhaps to their jobs and their way of living. They had their own...
- We cheat NOT because we can. We cheat because our spouses/partners/f-buddies let us.
- People are pissed around the world about the actions of their politicians. It hasn't hit here yet to the extent it has in Europe and Iran. In England the abuse of expense accounts has squatters...
- happy monday. My bid to blog my way to Antarctica is doing great. I'm number 15! Thanks for the twitter support, Jill. I hope your readers feel so incline to help send this science blogger to...
- If memory serves, I saw a woman on the Today Show promoting her study of infidelity, which I believe focused on western, industrialized countries (US, Latin America, Europe). I never caught the...
Jack and Jill Politics
A black bourgeois perspective on U.S. politics
That’s the line that leaked from a private meeting that took place between Senator Obama and the Congressional Black Caucus last week.
As reported by TheHill.com, the meeting was apparently arranged to help the Clinton wing of the CBC heal some of its old wounds and get on with the program.
But, in what’s been described as ... Continue reading »
As reported by TheHill.com, the meeting was apparently arranged to help the Clinton wing of the CBC heal some of its old wounds and get on with the program.
But, in what’s been described as ... Continue reading »
1 year ago
Don't be surprised by her or other members behavior. My mom taught me about our community and the meaning of ,"Crabs in a bucket" a long time ago.
Sad its still going on.
1 year ago
I can imagine what he told those &*($%# +*&!@ in that meeting but I'm sure he told them they could get behind them or get gone. I don't blame him, I wouldn't have kissed their asses either.
Ya mad - get over it.
I'm sure they know they will have no place in an Obama whitehouse.
1 year ago
1 year ago
Or, what WE would have said during that meeting. :)
1 year ago
Seriously. I'm going to vote for Obama in November and all, but I don't think that hiding our heads in the sand about some of the stuff he's doing is going to make it go away.
1 year ago
And now they still need time to heal.
Feh.
1 year ago
1 year ago
Good for him, cuz I don't have that kind of discipline.
1 year ago
JJP-You are a WINNER TOO. I voted for you!!!
1 year ago
1 year ago
CPL put up something on the FISA thing and somebody else addressed some other Obama missteps. I hate when folks make accusations without even trying to find out if they are true.
1 year ago
Yes, that would be a good discussion but I fear that too many of us either agree with Obama's positions or don't want to raise a stink about his stance on these matters.
1 year ago
1 year ago
He should have gone GANGSTA on them.
GANGSTA.
LAID.DOWN.THE.LAW.
They had until the end of the meeting to Get Jesus.
IF he left that meeting without their support.
They could count on him to support ANY primary challenger that came their way.
LAID.DOWN.THE.LAW.
1 year ago
But good guys NEVER make it in Politics.
But maybe ...
Look at this HP ad [hey I am a MAC guy] blatantly supporting [?] Obama.
hptouch_maestro_640.mov
Quicktime file.
1 year ago
I think the clintons are still trying to neg...what I am not sure at this point since VP is now out of the question..perhaps the keynote address?
Oh yeah, sources say that it was heated and said rep would not elaborate on what was said...only that the congresswoman was HEATED..
1 year ago
he showed great character during those times.
1 year ago
"And NOW you trifling mofo's still need MORE time to heal?
"O.K."
"Take as much time as you need."
"But understand this, I have a job to do:
winning the Presidency of the United States of America."
"I am focused on that, so I can't wait...and neither can the American people."
"So...take as much time as you need."
"And if I become President of the United States, I will be using my time to ensure domestic tranquility, and to protect this country from enemies, foreign and domestic."
"So, as you can see, I plan to be busy...and I won't be on CBC time."
1 year ago
1 year ago
1) Barack Obama is not the current president of the United States; George Bush is. He broke FISA and this is why this is even an issue.
2) Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid who run the House of Representatives should not have brought this bill forward. The democrats have enough people in the U.S. House of Representatives to stop these bills/recommendations, yet the Senate does not.
3) Mr. Obama definitely is not a perfect vessel (as he has stated numerous times), he is a politician. But if you think that he could push back against FISA and not be painted as soft in terror by the Republicans, please keep a score. Americans are just paying attention NOW to the fact that for two (2) election cycles they have been played by the terror issue.
Yes, terrorism to America is real, but to use it as a weapon for re-election with all of the problems we have (gas prices, home loans, home foreclosures, employment rates rising) is not appropriate.
Americans have to prioritize and keep us stable from an internal crumbling economy and safe from potential outside terrorism.
My Humble Opinion!
1 year ago
Wonder if they spoke about his healthcare plans?
Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
1 year ago
Why do you think Obama's FISA stance was a misstep? I think it was calculated. I think he may believe he'll need FISA as president. He doesn't want to tie his hands.
Also, plenty of folks (including me) had problems with the Supreme Court's ruling in the child rape case and it's impact on our ability to deter these crimes and protect children from these crimes.
I guess I'm just not sure what your problems are with his views. Please explain.
Thanks,
Shelly
1 year ago
Minnesota, Michigan, Colorado, Wisconsin
26 Jun 2008 12:40 pm
These four large sample surveys from Quinnipiac....
COLORADO: Obama 49 - McCain 44
MICHIGAN: Obama 48 - McCain 42
MINNESOTA: Obama 54 - McCain 37
WISCONSIN: Obama 52 - McCain 39
suggest that the make-up and mood of the 2008 presidential electorate is right now perfectly trimmed to embrace Barack Obama. As Quinnipiac puts it, "[a]n emerging Democratic coalition of women, minorities and younger voters is propelling Illinois Sen. Barack Obama to leads." As with every statewide poll, we must wave the caution flag: these numbers can and probably will change over time.
At least the McCain campaign knows who they can target: white conservative independents, especially men. But even as McCain performs solidly with that group, the composition of the electorate is changing so much that they can't help him. (Obama, for example, is doing well with Hispanics but is doing extremely well with younger Hispanics.) Obama wins independents; he does weakest among them in Michigan, but Republicans in that state are demoralized. Some of the more interesting nuggets: In Colorado, Obama and McCain split the white vote and almost split the vote of those 55 and older; same with Michigan. The gender gap in Minnesota is huge: Obama leads by 26 points among women and seven points among men and double digits among white voters. In Wisconsin, Obama even leads among white men -- 51 to 40%. The polls have margins of error of no more than +/- 2.5%.
1 year ago
"I have held my tongue, let all of y'all diss me, and haven't said a word. Here's the deal; homegirl needs to mend the fences since she and her man tore them down. Now, either get out of my face before I get in that ass..."
1 year ago
If you're going to cite articles about Canadian Health Care, you should pick ones that get their objective facts straight. You wouldn't want to misinform your fellow Americans now, would you?
1 year ago
1 year ago
I think he shouldn't reach out to them any more. Once is enough...he's the winner goddamit!
From now on, I think he should give them the silent treatment and let their constituents deal with them.
1 year ago
Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
"Sick with ovarian cancer, Sylvia de Vires, an Ontario woman afflicted with a 13-inch, fluid-filled tumor weighing 40 pounds, was unable to get timely care in Canada. She crossed the American border to Pontiac, Mich., where a surgeon removed the tumor, estimating she could not have lived longer than a few weeks more.
The Canadian government pays for U.S. medical care in some circumstances, but it declined to do so in de Vires' case for a bureaucratically perfect, but inhumane, reason: She hadn't properly filled out a form. At death's door, de Vires should have done her paperwork better."
Rough, huh.
"Since the spring of 2006, Ontario's government has sent at least 164 patients to New York and Michigan for neurosurgery emergencies — defined by the Globe and Mail newspaper as "broken necks, burst aneurysms and other types of bleeding in or around the brain." Other provinces have followed Ontario's example.
Canada isn't the only country facing a government health care crisis. Britain's system, once the postwar inspiration for many Western countries, is similarly plagued. Both countries trail the U.S. in five-year cancer survival rates, transplantation outcomes and other measures.
The problem is that government bureaucrats simply can't centrally plan their way to better health care."
1 year ago
"I think he shouldn't reach out to them any more. Once is enough...he's the winner goddamit!"
"From now on, I think he should give them the silent treatment and let their constituents deal with them."
-Word.
1 year ago
1 year ago
Charity health care, where is this, the jungles of South America? No, the USA.
60 Minutes - Remote Area Medical
1 year ago
1 year ago
Will Obama's shifting stances undermine his true-blue image?
"From the beginning, Barack Obama's special appeal was his vow to remain an idealistic outsider, courageous and optimistic, and never to shift his positions for political expediency, or become captive of the Inside-the-Beltway intelligentsia, or kiss up to special interests and big money donors.
In recent weeks, though, Obama has done all those things."
1 year ago
1 year ago
The question that is now raised in my mind is are these people not wanting to support Obama because of his skin tone or because of his stance on issues?
1 year ago
My friend and I were saying that for some of Hillary's female CBC supporters, it was as if they still haven't gotten over the light skinned guy in high school never asking them out, and they were sure going to take revenge on Barack as a result. That's a horrible thing to say, but that's as good a reason as anything else. Since none of it makes sense.
I wish he would have told them to grow the hell up, and stop cowering in fear of the imagined wrath of the Clintons. I mean, what do these people think Bill and Hillary can do to them?
1 year ago
The best explanation of why the FISA bill--which gives the White House broad surveillance powers and the telecom industry immunity--is bunk comes from the ACLU. http://blog.aclu.org/2008/06/19/this-spade-is-a...
The whole post is worth a read, but the most contentious FISA provision grants retroactive immunity for the very phone companies that compromised your 4th amendment privacy rights and mine to begin with so long as they can produce a document from the president or government asking them to comply. In short, “We were only following orders.”
There is no question of whether Obama supports it, Big Man, despite his having promised in October 2007 to filibuster any version of the bill that contains immunity for the phone companies. Here’s Obama’s statement from earlier this week supporting it: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/201032.php
We can call this whatever we want, from level-headed politicking and sound political strategy to a failure of courage and principle, but either way we’re still looking at a candidate who is running on a platform of change, but perpetuating the same constitutional violations, and accommodationist positioning, that have made these past 7 and a half years such a bleak time in this country.
I don’t think it’s rude or inappropriate to ask when, where, and on what issue Obama plans to take a stand against “politics as usual.” I’m a little uncomfortable with the panacea that “All that will change once he’s in office.”
As for the death penalty, I think it’s wrong, period. But it’s particularly ironic that Obama would support it given that, as astute commentators on the Talk Left thread http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/25/234840/218 noted:
“Even the SCOTUS opinion referenced the research finding that having a death penalty for child rape increases the likelihood the child will be killed to ensure the child cannot later be a witness against the offender. It also referenced the research showing that family members would be less likely to report another family member who raped a child if they thought the offending relative could be executed.”
And then there’s the fact that the death penalty is disproportionately levied against black men.
Obviously and understandably, Obama doesn’t want to be caught in the Dukakis trap and painted as “soft on crime.” But is this really the best place for the candidate of Change and Hope to make a stand?
1 year ago
Brian Francis said...
See, I think Obama has just as much leverage over her to force her to address what you're saying.
She must pay back all of those debts to small vendors all over the country. If she doesn't, she has no political future. So that means she would write another check for $10 million to clear the debts out of her personal fortune before she lets them go unpaid.
So, if she doesn't play ball, she is in the hole for another $10 million.
I personally look at it like this....Obama is telling Hillary that at the click of a button he can pay off her debt. But before he does that, he is going to hold it over her head until the convention to ensure that she stays in line. But he is also going to make sure she makes absolutely no noise about VP, which she and her prominent supporters have stopped calling for. Only the fringe nutballs call for it, not the Rendells of the world.
So i think Obama is using her weakness to his advantage very very effectively.
And I think it is why you see Bill Clinton pouting. Obama has them over a barrel.
1 year ago
Yup, I think he cussed said y'all and wished he could have a Newport. I wonder if that would be 'black enough' for Nader? *snark*
1 year ago
I understand certain people wanting to ride out for Hillary but I don't think they (CBC members) should support Obama just because he is Black. If these people are so called "Democrats" they should be rallying behind the party's chosen candidate regardless.
The question that is now raised in my mind is are these people not wanting to support Obama because of his skin tone or because of his stance on issues?
----------------
These Negroes and the Geraldine Ferraro faction are the only people still with their lip poked out. Everyone else is like "Obama is the nominee, we're behind our nominee." So that tells me the CBC and Ferraro resistance isn't political, it's personal.
I think certain people of the CBC still have their lip poked out because
a) They were promised favors and goodies in return for riding for Hillary and Obama winning messed that up, since obviously an Obama win means they won't get the favors and goodies they were promised;
b) Obama rendered them effectively useless, because they thought they were the gatekeepers to the black vote, and Obama proved you don't need to kiss the CBC's ass or get their endorsement to get the black vote.
1 year ago
Thanks for your post. I agree with your comments both about Obama's positions of these two critical issues that disapportionately affect Black folks, and also the unwillingness of many Black folks to want to discuss these issues and why Obama is in support of them.
I was totally shocked when he said he agreed with overturning the ban on guns in Washington, DC and as for the death penalty -- WOW. Yes, it is an abomination to rape a child, but death? How many black folks have and are on death row for crimes that did not commit, or were put to death proclaiming their innocence for crimes they did not commit.
Tavis was correct and that many in our community have not fully vetted Obama on many of his positions and how they will affect THIS community. I know that he is a politician trying to get elected, but if he truly believes many of the things he is saying to get votes, regrettably, we will continue to be treated by the Democrats as we always have; a inconvenience to be used during election time, only to be discarded when no longer needed. Let's see how long our expiration date is if Obama is elected.
As you stated is this the change we can believe in, because I can't.
1 year ago
I disagree with Obama on it. I do blame the House more, because it never should have come for a vote.
I'm not going to have deep issues with him over the death penalty ruling. I don't agree with it, but that's only because I'd have the pedophile killed in prison by other prisoners.
1 year ago
1 year ago
For good reason. Much (most?) of the change that Obama's supporters seem to expect would require Constitutional amendments. All change will require funding whose specifics must be first approved by Congress. Otherwise, the only wiggle room Obama has in enacting change will be minor procedural and logistical things in the interim budgets that he inherits from Bush.