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From DailyKos:
Chuck Todd on MSNBC:
You know, there is a big thing we should be getting out of this party tonight, and that is the Democratic National Committee is not somehow controlled by the Clintons. Not by the Clinton campaign any more. We may have started this campaign believing that the Clinton campaign controlled, but this [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ ... Continue reading »
Chuck Todd on MSNBC:
You know, there is a big thing we should be getting out of this party tonight, and that is the Democratic National Committee is not somehow controlled by the Clintons. Not by the Clinton campaign any more. We may have started this campaign believing that the Clinton campaign controlled, but this [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ ... Continue reading »
1 year ago
1 year ago
They still would have lost to Obama, but at least their legacy would be intact.
And if Hillary really did want the veep role, that would have been the better way to make a play for that. You audition for the job, not try to force it on the other person.
Hillary should have been the first defender of Obama against the garbage out there...the Muslim smears, the attack based on Rev Wright, the crap about the white working class vote.
That not only would have been the right thing to do, but if she had done it well enough, she might have landed on the ticket as veep.
But now the Clintons have lost their dignity.
1 year ago
She also has a screen asking for people to sign up as a supporter.
Anyone want to guess what she's up to?
1 year ago
1 year ago
They are trying anything...anything. It's over Hillary...it's over!
Do you see these people? Do you hear them?
MY God.
Hillary should just grab Bill, Stephanie Tubbs Jones and the rest and start a Clinton party.
Hillary is not going to make losing the democratic nomination stop her froming becoming president of the Unites States of America.
1 year ago
He could've taken what he wanted from Florida. He didn't.
He could've taken what he wanted from Michigan. He didn't.
He deferred to Party officials in both cases and I hope that uncommitted superdelegates from Michigan and Florida reward him for it.
Obama is, above all, a class act.
1 year ago
From Blacks4Barack....We're half way there people. Now is the time to get EVERYONE registered to vote. The Black vote will be the key. We're on our way to HISTORY !!!!!!!!!!
Visit: www.Blacks4Barack.org
Special appreciation to the Warriors at Jack & Jill. You've been incredible !
1 year ago
Watch for them and their fanatical followers to try something on the Convention floor, rather than cut their losses and think about Hillary being re-elected. Because in the current mood, people are willing to have long, long memories. Already some are openly touting strong alternative candidates going against her with enough oppo to last a lifetime. The Clintons have burned money, opportunity, good will, and bridges. They're not going to recover from this.
...and don't oount on them giving any support to Obama. They won't. They didn't to Gore or Kerry. So why expect it for Obama? They've shown their true colors. More than once, I've seen people writing them off, writing them off as nothing less than Republicans, not Democrats. They're not a class act, with Bill's peevishness and Hillary's outright lying and race-baiting. Feminists, they are not. Opportunists to the nadir degree, yes.
And finally, this opposition party may at last be able to grow a length of spine that bends to no more defeatism, Repubs, or their bankrupt strategies. An opposition party that throws off years of DLC pandering, silencing, and subversion of Democratic ideals.
A REAL opposition party that doesn't crawl or parrot the other party's worst policies and tendencies. I'm hoping--but praying for Obama.
1 year ago
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In my opinion...
If Hillary Clinton had run a classy campaign from the beginning, she would be he Democratic nominee, not Barack Obama.
Obama would have received a good number of black votes, but not 90% and the black votes that Hillary Clinton would have gotten would have been enough to put her over the top.
As she would have racked up wins, Obama would have fallen further behind and he would have had to sit his ass back down after the Potomac Primaries.
Hillary Clinton had this nomination and she threw it away with both hands by being arrogant, overconfident, nasty and dismissive.
1 year ago
1 year ago
If Hillary Clinton had run a classy campaign from the beginning, she would be he Democratic nominee, not Barack Obama.
Obama would have received a good number of black votes, but not 90% and the black votes that Hillary Clinton would have gotten would have been enough to put her over the top
town,
You are indeed correct.
IFFFFFFF
She hadn't of racebaited, I believe she could have gotten a mere 20 percent of the Black vote.
Someone on HuffingtonPost wrote a post about this.
Just 20 percent of the Black vote, and it would be a completely different ballgame for Hillpatine.
But, oh well.
As Andrew Sullivan wrote...
Black voters did it.
They were the ones to torpedo Hillpatine.
Sullivan loved that irony.
And, I did too.
1 year ago
1 year ago
I think Obama has to figure out how to replace them. A prime target should be disillusioned Evangelicals. These are people who don't like the war, and want a more compassionate government but also oppose abortion. Selecting a pro-life running mate makes sense. Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania would take PA out of play, aid the cause in Ohio and shore up Michigan (Casey and organized labor are staunch allies). And it could help in the deep south, where Obama could win a state or two if he can get somewhere between 27 and 33% of the white vote. The key is to make sure we're bringing more new people into the party than we are losing the old people like Ferraro.
So I say pick a pro-lifer. I say Bob Casey is a solid pick.
1 year ago
1 year ago
1 year ago
I had read that, and I've said before that I was going to write a piece on Obama's campaign once he formally won the nomination flat out.
when people say that the past leads to the present, that is truly what it means.
There would be no Barack Obama without Jesse Jackson's run for the Presidency.
You know, and I know, and I know it finally dawned on the Clinton camp, which, IMO, was another reason why they were seething about Black folk going to Obama.
I don't believe even most Black folk understand how Jesse helped Barack out. Because, it was Jesse Jackson and his think tank, that got this system of distribution put in place as far as delegate allocation.
1 year ago
I just got through talking about how Obama's fall campaign voter registration is shades of Jesse and you know Sr. and Jr. are working, organizing behind the scenes.
Jesse is a big time Democrat and an Obama win would be vindication in a lot of ways for him and all the disrespect and disappointments he's faced while dealing with the party.
1 year ago
The Clintonites take this to Denver. Civil war ensues.
They lose.
The Obamaists don't necessarilly welcome them back into the fold with open arms, especially after the "Clinton for VP" fight (which is a loss for the Clintonites as well).
Senator McCain becomes President McCain. "Operation Chaos" is vindicated as a great idea.
Clinton isn't re-elected in NY.
Obama finishes his term, and goes home to Chicago.
Yep, it's over.
1 year ago
clinton shot herself in the foot since new hampshire with the bizarre racebaiting. all the post mortems should end with this folly. as you say she could have done much better with the black vote...remember the obama isn't black thing.
but her folly began with her war vote and the contempt she held for the anti war left. if she had shown respect for out opinion and a desire to recognise our foresight rather than insulting us with bogus explanations of her thinking at the time and insulting mockery of obama' 2002 speech, the far left vote would also have been less dramatic.
she would have won. if, if , if...but she was who she is...self destrucyive and infuriating!
good riddance!
1 year ago
1 year ago
obama described her comment as "ill advised"...yup!
1 year ago
“That was a crime!” a man shouted.
“McCain in ’08! McCain in ’08!” a woman yelled from the back of the room. “No-bama! No-bama!”
1 year ago
Like Pat Buchanan, the other "Goldwater Girl", Clinton just wanted to make sure ya'll knew to thank Whitey (his term) who ya'll owe so much. If it hadn't been for Whitey ya'll have no luck or luxury at all (to whatever extent it exist which is well above what ya'll would have anywhere else, so THANK WHITEY!).
Without Whitey ya'll would still be in chains or, at the very least, still without them rights. "It took a [WHITE] president." Obama can't be LBJ/JFK; skin color and speeches says he can only be MLK (aka - not president material). All the more reason to VOTE WHITE in 2008.
It doesn't matter whether it's Clinton or McCain. Per Clinton, they are both Ready On Day 1... Barack "the black man" with White voter problems not only isn't ready but he can't win anyway.
1 year ago
My favorite moment from yesterday was when Ickes said, "Was the contest flawed? You bet your a*s it was flawed."
Umm. . . He admits the contest was flawed, but he still wanted the votes anyways.
That's the disconnect this Clinton camp has with all forms of logic.
Let's be clear. The MI and FL contests were deemed non-binding by law (Democratic rules). That means the results from those two contests were non-binding.
All this "fair reflection" crap that Ickes was spewing loses its relevance because those contests. . . those votes were non-binding. And it's hard to get "fair reflection" of a flawed, non-binding contest.
People knew hat going into those contests. That penalty was made LAST YEAR. Where was Hillary and her band of protesters then? If it's wrong today, then it was wrong last year. If she's upset today, then you she should have been upset last year. But she didn't say a damn thing last year. . . BECAUSE SHE DID NOT CARE! That's right. She didn't care about those voters in MI and FL. Just like she didn't care about late-voting states and "letting every vote count" when she thought she was gonna win the nomination by Feb. 5!
MI and FL were non-binding. If the contest is non-binding, then the RBC has the authority to allocate the party's delegates as they see fit. And if Ickes is so concerned about "fair reflection," then he should realize that 73 delegates for Clinton and 0 delegates for Obama is not a fair representation of the voters' will.
Fact is Clinton got 53.5 delegates from two states that had illegal contests. She got 53.5 delegates when the Party initially said she'd get ZERO. She got the majority of delegates in each compromise (19 in FL and 5 in MI). And she's still not happy.
Why? Because her fake civil rights argument was as hollow as her integrity.
The MI and FL state Democrats agreed with the resolutions. Obama's camp agreed with the resolution. MI and FL are now officially seated at the convention.
Hillary didn't get what SHE wanted. But the party is bigger than her.
I hope people see Hillary for what she is. This was never about the people of MI and FL. If it were, she'd be happy. Those two states came up with bipartisan plans with bipartisan support. . . both of which got approval yesterday. This was never about the voters. This was about Hillary's campaign and her partisan efforts.
1 year ago
BSerious, Carville has already started with the smackdown. The problem is the Clinton supporters aren't listening, and would probably label him as Judas.
I appreciate Al Gore keeping his yap shut in an attempt for neutrality, but he needs to come forward and say something. OTOH, maybe not Gore, because the Clintons would spin it as him being disgruntled, (and he has every right to be because they tanked his chances back in 2000).
The party leaders like Nancy Pelosi need to issue a strong statement to tell Hillary it's over. That way, Hillary can't play the gender or race card if that statement and can of STHU comes from another woman.
1 year ago
1 year ago
Although irritating at times, this Dem race has been very entertaining. Billary got outmaneuvered with the world watching. Excellent.
1 year ago
stupid me.
maybe barack obama's party can get us there.
1 year ago
"Hillary Clinton had this nomination and she threw it away with both hands by being arrogant, overconfident, nasty and dismissive".
Same way she threw health care away in '93. She never changes.
And here she is this evening, STILL dismissing Barack's "slight lead":
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/clinton-says-no.html
(Hillary Clinton) argued that there will not be a nominee on Tuesday saying, “So, when the voting concludes on Tuesday, neither Sen. Obama nor I will have the number of delegates to be the nominee. I will lead the popular vote, he will maintain a slight lead in the delegate count. The decision will fall on the shoulders of those leaders in our party, empowered by the rules, to vote at the Democratic convention.
Speaking directly to superdelegates, Clinton said, “I do not envy the decision you must make. But the decision has to be made. And in the final assessment, I ask you to consider these questions. Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted?” Clinton said. “Which candidate can best lead us to victory in November, and which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?”
I am so grateful that we'll be done with her soon.