DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: Remember . . . This is What We’re Up Against!

  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Thanks B.

    Love it, and you're on point. Gotta keep the nose to the ground.
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    Thanks rikyrah
  • RonnieB · 1 year ago
    You know ...

    I'm quite weary of these petulant, onoxious, spoiled brat white kids who act like little more than teenage rebels, intent on pissing off their parents. They're so consumed with their personal Hillary drama that they'll allow it to carry them right through another 4 years of war and economic decline.

    I say fuck 'em. Let 'em marinade in real life for a minute. Meanwhile, we need to be reachin' out to Latinos, Asians, Native Americans and all manner of Brown Americans who have adult lives to lead, and who have a grip on reality.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Say it again.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Amen.
  • icebergslim · 1 year ago
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    I said in the Open Thread, that our campaign was baiting McCain. We want them to bring out the nastiest stuff NOW. They will be exhausted come October and out of ammunition. OR they will go so over-the-top they will be crushed under the weight of their own hate.

    And then Our campaign will go all Chicago on those entitled dolts and beat the living daylights out of them.

    It was the strategy all along.

    I'm a Midwesterner.

    I know rope a dope when I see it. And Bid Whist. And Poker. And Backgammon. And Sheepshead.

    And Basketball.

    And to every Barack supporter who whined about him being a lightweight...

    Well....

    Fasten your seatbets.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    From the Marc Ambinder article you referenced:

    "Though McCain is widely perceived to to drawn first blood by attacking Obama's character, the official said that the difference between Obama's mocking McCain for his wealth and his shaky answer on the number of homes he owns was that McCain's charge "reflects an existential reality," where Obama's charges "attack Cindy. She owns the homes. I thought he said the wives were off-limits."

    Oh please! This is such a weak excuse! The McCain camp has been dying to attack Obama on Rezco, Wright and Ayers, but they needed an excuse to go there, so they create this weak crap. I won't even go into the subliminal message that they're trying to put out: The big, bad black guy is picking on the poor, wittle white woman.

    However, they left themselves wide open. A Dem 527 could use Cindy owning all those houses as a way to paint McCain as a man who has to depend on his wife for financial means, and/or a man who dumped his physically disabled first wife to hook up with an UNDERAGED heiress.
  • baratunde · 1 year ago
    B, this is an incredible post. Much respect. Ever since folks pounced on Obama for "praising Reagan," we could see something was up. The ideological purity and ridiculous standard to which he is being held is unrealistic and unproductive. I worry that many on the left (who i actually care about) are so invested in the "fight" they would risk losing this important battle for the white house to continue the long term war
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    co-sign. Thanks.

    We need to stay focused.
  • shebrew · 1 year ago
    I still suspect PUMA, at least, of dirty tricks. Their founder is a Ms. Darragh Murphy. According to Open Secrets, the only donation anyone of that name has given in the recent past is $500 to McCain in 2000. Problem: person listed is a MR. Darragh Murphy. OTOH, occupation is given as homemaker.

    This of course does not speak to everything in your post by a long shot. Just throwing it out there.
  • Town · 1 year ago
    PUMA is still insisting that Barack is not a US Citizen. They claim that his mother knew back in 1961 that he was going to run for POTUS in 2008 so she snuck into Canada and had Barack but snuck back to Hawaii real quick so he could have American citizenship.

    The next rumor they're putting out is Barack is really a Kenyan citizen because his daddy was Kenyan so he's automatically a Kenyan citizen, not an American citizen.

    The next rumor is that his legal name is Barry Soetoro and he's a dual Kenyan / Indonesian citizen but not an American one.

    The next is that he forged his name over his sister's birth certificate. And they claim that both Bill and Hillary know that Barack is not an American citizen because Bill said that "if he's qualified by the Constitution then he's qualified."

    I heard on local radio today some PUMA woman saying that Obama was going to prevent the superdelegates from voting for Hillary at the convention because everyone at the convention knows they really want to vote for Hillary and Obama and the DNC were going to prevent it.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    They're a piece of work.
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    PUMA was on Hardball again today. And their spokeswoman said that they're lining up interviews for the convention.

    There's no reason for the media to keep giving this group air time. It's like they're the 2008 version of the swift-boaters.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    PUMA should be lining up tin cups to help with Hillary's debt problem:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/21...
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    Wait . . . I'm getting my haters mixed up. On second thought, I think the group might have been "No Deal," not PUMA.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Hold up.....I swear....wait....yes! Yes! Now I know where I've heard these rumors!!!

    The PUMA people are stealing plot lines from Buffy the Vampire Slayer! These are not even original rumors. These are all episodes from season 3. I guess they think Hillary is Buffy and Obama is the Mayor of Sunnydale.

    Yep, that's it...I knew I'd heard it all before.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Never watched that show, but know many fans.

    Are you being serious or sarcastic?
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Slightly sarcastic....but just ask anyone who's watched the show if the PUMA fanatics talking points are the stuff of Joss Whedon...watch them suddenly stop, ponder...and bust out laughing...I'm telling you Hillary is Buffy, Bill is Angel, Obama is the mayor of Sunnydale and hmmmm, I guess Michelle is Faith when she went bad and was working with the mayor.
  • RobM · 1 year ago
    This is a fantastic work of art. You just nailed it w/ the charge against the Janus coin of left/right cynicism.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    From the mouths of babes......
    quote from my 7 yr old nephew on why he likes Barack Obama:

    "he knows how to talk to people"
  • Jibreel Riley · 1 year ago
    "he knows how to talk to people"

    so dose pimps
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Hillary referred to Barack today as "my opponent."

    LOL.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Dang, somebody's gonna have to put the Avada Kadavra curse on his witch.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    She said: "I've done more for my opponent than anyone."

    If we dissect that statement with minimal precision, it just simply isn't up to snuff.

    She's still stoking.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    And that wasn't a mistake either. Those Clintons are very crafty when it comes to wordplay.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Of course it wasn't a mistake.

    We see them.
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    Do you have a link, Craig?

    This woman is out of her damned mind if she thinks the contest is still on.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    No link. I saw it on television.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Freudian slip my ass.
  • dave crockett · 1 year ago
    A fine post. A couple thoughts.

    1. I agree that some of the criticism of Obama is over the top coming from various progressive segments. However, some of the support for the Senator has been equally uncritical. I think both sides have ample room to "come to Jesus" on that issue.

    2. On a personal note, at this point I'll vote for the brother but I'm going to have to hold my nose to do it. And I was pretty excited when he spoke here in Columbia, SC at the football stadium, appearing here with his wife and Oprah. What happened to that candidate? I want to acknowledge and validate the hope and engagement his candidacy has brought to many people. But, I see Obama beginning to run the same DLC-inspired campaign we got from Gore and Kerry/Edwards. And frankly, I think his dwindling poll numbers reflect this. I HOPE he gets it together.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    But, I see Obama beginning to run the same DLC-inspired campaign we got from Gore and Kerry/Edwards.

    Can you give examples?
  • dave crockett · 1 year ago
    1. The one I was most personally insulted by was his Father's Day stunt, where he presumed to lecture black men everywhere on the importance of fatherhood. There was little nuance, and no real insight. It was scarcely better if at all than anything you could hear on right wing talk radio any day of the week. When I heard it, I didn't feel that he was even talking to black men at all. He was talking to white people, showing them he's not afraid to "tell it like it is" to blacks. He took the one day he might have held up those black men, no matter how few in number they may be, who handle their business. But he didn't. I felt sold out. You may disagree, but I don't think that's an unreasonable interpretation of his actions.

    2. His capitulation on the death penalty, that it should be broadened. That is, to the best of my knowledge a change in position. My impression is not that this change of mind is based on some new data or new insight. He's chasing a segment of the voting public that frankly, probably isn't going to vote for him anyway. At the same time, to my knowledge, there has been no major statement about racial inequality in criminal justice. When you're the Senator from Illinois, and the question of the death penalty is raised, no matter how it's phrased, how can you NOT mention what has gone on in that state with its death row inmates?

    With those two examples, the thing is I understand the political calculus of playing to the so-called center. I just think these Republican-lite tactics are losing tactics, and have been for a long time.

    3. This final example isn't so much about DLC-inspired, as a question of basic political competence. Why does he continue to allow Hillary Clinton to just punk him unmercifully at every opportunity? I'm genuinely confused by this. The Clinton family is going to have more airtime than the Obama family at the convention. He's paying down her debt. After all that, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say, she hasn't exactly campaigned hard on his behalf. She's been civil. That's about it. He has not demanded that SHE "denounce and reject" anyone the way she demanded that he "denounce and reject" Farrakhan.

    If this were my brother, cousin, or friend trying to reconcile with a former enemy I'd tell him, you're not being a bridge builder. You just think you are. You don't look magnanimous. You look like a punk.
  • monika · 1 year ago
    DC,
    You won't hear this a lot on j and j but thank you. Sometimes I feel like I'm in twilight zone. My god, even MLK had black critics (like Malcolm X). DeBois criticized (hated) Booker T and Garvey but we still honor the memory of all these men.

    Why are the motives of any black person who is not fervent supporter of Obama questioned. No one here can answer that, just like no one can explain that father's day speech.

    Black men had been Obama's most ardent supporters up until that time.
    Were a significant number of them MIA dads? Who knows? I do know if I had been a black man, I would taken as a gut punch.

    This is how he repaid his earliest supporters.

    That's not change I want to believe in
  • dave crockett · 1 year ago
    monika,

    Several years ago, when the Dems got spanked in the Congressional races, Don Fowler came to my campus (U of S. Carolina). Fowler, as you may know, is one of the architects of the Clinton/DLC "capture the center" strategy. He's also from right here in Columbia. These are his words below, practically a direct quote:

    * Roughly a third of the electorate will vote Democrat, no matter what. Another third will vote Republican. The number may fluctuate a bit from year to year, but I believe this is the way it is. The winner is the party that's more successful in capturing that third of the electorate in the center.*

    I almost wept. I thought, "Damn. This is why these people keep losing to vastly inferior candidates." All both these parties really do is sell a "brand," one of the first rules of branding is that you craft your appeal to your heaviest users, your "red meat" base in political parlance. You don't appeal to the casual users, the undecideds. They aren't influencers. They get influenced by others. Nike basketball doesn't craft its appeal to people who don't play basketball (even though they sell most of their shoes to people that don't play). The Republicans don't play to the center. They play to their base, who pulls the center to the right.

    Unfortunately, I see Obama taking the Don Fowler assumptions and running that playbook play by play. It's one thing no to go out of your way to antagonize white folks. That's wise. But that's not the same as letting them run you over. Even *they* don't respect that who just kisses their butts. It feels like Obama has denounced damn near every black person he's not married to. I saw an Obama ad here in SC a couple days ago focused on the economy and the mortgage crisis. It had NO black people. Not one. Come on brother! You can do better than that. And WE have to demand that from him--but without engaging in insane fratricidal attacks. I definitely agree with the tenor original post.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    DLC-inspired?

    He's not a fan of that wing of the Democratic party.
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    And this is what we're up against.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Hear, hear.
  • dave crockett · 1 year ago
    He is a one-time member, but then dropped his name from their roles. Nevertheless, Kerry wasn't a member of the DLC either but he ran their signature "capture the center" campaign.
  • caligirl · 1 year ago
    the freaks come out at night.... the freaks come out at NIIIIIIGHT!
  • Monika · 1 year ago
    I think it's better to vote for McKinney or stay at home.

    I think of how I wasted my vote on Kerry and Gore, I get mad at myself. They were the "best" candidates. Two men would would keep a Republican out of the White House. I voted for both men because I thought they had the experience and intelligence to lead this country. They had those qualities in spades, what they didn't have was balls. They wouldn't get down dirty and fight for the voters who believed in them.

    Now I know not to waste by vote on someone who has the best chance of winning. Do we have the same values. Will he stand down when the Republicans kick him in the balls (and they will. This Fisher Price stuff is going to end after the convention).

    You can say a lot of thing about McKinney, but no one will ever say she doesn't call it like she sees. No one will can question her commitment to progressive issues.
  • arieswym · 1 year ago
    This makes me think of a Machiavelli quote that I read in the NY Times a while back that reflects on the the fear of change that crops up all the time in the campaign.

    "It must be considered that there is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order, this lukewarmness arriving partly from fear of their adversaries, who have the laws in their favor; and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had an actual experience of it. Thus it arises that on every opportunity for attacking the reformer, the opponents do so with the zeal of partisans, the others only defend him halfheartedly, so that between them he runs great danger."
  • aaronraul · 1 year ago
    Heres some truth to power a lot of people seem to be ignoring .The white power structure runs this country and dominates most of the world.No one gets to be a candidate unless he is controlled by THE WHITE EURO/ZIONIST POWER STRUCTURE.Why do you think every candidate has to go to Israel and kiss the ring.So why does THE WHITE POWER STRUCTURE POSSIBLY WANT OBAMA ELECTED.They have rigged diabold voting machines that keep no record of who you voted for.All they have to do is make a candidate popular enough to lend credibility to their election. Bill Clinton holds thee key. He purposelly sabotaged his wifes campaign to give Obama the noomination. This is not conspiracy talk this is thinking like a strategist and not ascribing MTV emotions to one of the most powerful men in the world whos past is just as mysterious as Obamas(hes a Rockefeller.ame story missing father etc.) Obama has royal blood,even Lynn cheney had to admit the surface facts.Once you join the game you can only influence it. In this game the Clintons are the best friends Obama has.All presidents are blackmailable and expendable.In every political fabrication theres a kernal a truth This is the kind of critical worldview thats necesary to be prepared for whatever happens.Stay on top of the game dont let the game control you.Ask yourself why do all these afro american blogs beat the same Roland Martin story line. WE need people thinking outside the box if we as BLACK PEOPLE are going to aquire the type of real economic power necessary to overcome the conditions were in.Somehow people believe that Obama has circumvented all of the invested global power and launched himself into the democratic candidate , Or they think if he gets ther he can buck the system with no repercussions,Look behind all of these Kennedy comparisons.Kennedy and his brother signed off on wiretapping Martin Luther King and didnt get behind him until they had to,But dont forget they were blackmailable to.Through were.Chicago One of the most mob connected political machines in the country. The chicago mob helped put Kennedy in,they took over hollywood with the help of Ronald Reagen,and now there behind Obama,but why .Look at the timing of the Retzo indictment and Obamas announcement to run There all just PICES ON THE BOARD.
  • ra60785 · 1 year ago
    Here's something I found that was written in March. Of course, the mainstream media is not picking up on it:

    http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_...
  • Angela1 · 1 year ago
    This is interesting the same guy who wrote Obama Nation the anti Obama book (Jerome Corsi) apparently wasn't always a fan of McCain either.

    found over at www.rightwingwatch.org

    August 19, 2008
    Jerome Corsi, McCain Basher

    Current New York Times best-selling author and proven liar Jerome Corsi has been lavished with attention by the likes of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for his slanderous new book about Barack Obama.

    But before Corsi put Obama in his crosshairs, he plied his wares in the GOP presidential primary. Fox and Limbaugh treat Corsi like he’s a legitimate political commentator, so we’ll trust they’ll have Corsi back on to discuss his groundbreaking work on McCain:

    Group tied to al-Qaida backs McCain for prez
    March 02, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi

    McCain fortune traced to organized crime
    February 26, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi

    Influence peddling claims dog McCain
    February 15, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi

    John McCain funded by Soros since 2001
    February 12, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi

    McCain aide touts 'Mexico first' policy
    January 25, 2008
    By Jerome R. Corsi
  • Michelle · 1 year ago
    You might realize that demagogues on both the right and left do not like nuance. For while they’ll go on and on about their particular theories of “truth” to power, too many lack answers or ideas to test said truth in practice.

    Yes. This.

    Thank you.

    There's something about this pattern that I never really saw clearly until this election season.
  • aaronraul · 1 year ago
    Well Michelle youre going to see a lot more before this is over.The people that put these charades together called Presidential Elections are experts in marketing,psycology,advertising etc.Go through your house or apartment and pick out all the things that youve bought and hardly used ,all because they promised to make you feel good.Well thats what Obamas campaign is all about an illusion of power,If you want some real solutions check out my ideas on the Jesse Jackson Sr. says something appropriate thread about consumer power,boycotting,targetting companies through the internet to get them to invest in the community,why Im not afro american but I chose to be black.I went to private school and alot of my black friends were creole or upper echelon ,Icalled them BOURGEOISE.Yea just like this thread A BLACK BOURGEOISIE PERSPECTIVE, they thought thay were more classy or smarter than lower income blacks.But the way I see it theyre getting played just like everybody else but thyre also getting payed so that makes it a little more real.This election in going to cause more division than ever for thats the white power structures game,Divide and conquer you think Rove and them fell asleep at the wheel who do you think is behind Obama.Thweres no two parties thers just one with two faces thats why all candidates are two faced Power in this world is based on power against not power with.Thats why people are lead to conflict over religion race gender and class.Anyway enough is enough it seems most people dont even read each others comments.Its like when youre talking to somebody and ther not even listening because theyre thinking about what they want to say
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    B-Serious: WOW!! This post is amazing!!! I have learned sooooo much!

    Thank you!!! :>) :>)

    Whew! Educational Deep Breaths!!! :>) :>)
  • Lilytiger · 1 year ago
    Don't be fooled that it is only the pumas but the progressives are even more in their heads. This is the reaction to linking this blog to a site that I won't bother linking to. They don't deserve any traffic.
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    That is the same view of the election, not a different one. Why must we all see it that way, or else be accused of all of these absurd things? I don't understand that.

    Seriously, I don't understand this. What is it you would have people not think and not say?
    What is it that is so threatening?

    It seems to me that it takes a lot of work and mental gymnastics - listening to Limbaugh to drive oneself onto some sport of frenzy of fear, for example, or portraying any and all critical voices as Stalinists or something - in order to keep re-creating this all-or-nothing good versus evil scenario in your mind. And for what? Just to shut out unpleasant or disquieting thoughts?

    "You are a bunch of commies and they are no different than fascists" and "you just tear down and don't have a plan" are not rational arguments, they are desperate attempts to discredit people who don't agree with you.

    Support Obama. Vote for Obama. Whatever. Many will. Most here will, no doubt. What is the problem? If no critical analysis is to be tolerated, does that itself not suggest that there is something seriously wrong? Can we not talk about that?
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    I have a bad feeling about this country and a bad feeling about many of the "enlightened" people and their thought processes. I am thoroughly depressed by this. I can't wait until we overtake the majority in this country, I'll be old but revenge is best served cold.
  • Anderkoo · 1 year ago
    One of my colleagues has approached the campaign about conducting some hard-core network analysis of these sites, trying to determine if they're really astroturf sites thrown up by conservative/Republican/anti-Obama activists to look like grassroots blogs, etc. While I think there is genuine anti-Obama feelings among Hillary supporters, I also think a lot of it is being stirred up by fake Hillary supporters who are being seeded to keep stoking the resentment. (The exact same thing would have happened, in reverse, if Hillary were the nominee -- admit it; if Hillary got the nod, I'd be very disinclined to help her win).

    Some of this circular firing-squad stuff is for reals, but I think we should start taking everything with a grain of salt and start looking into ways to expose the frauds among them.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 year ago
    You know Jibreel, the novelty of militant Tomism is starting to wear off:)
  • aaronraul · 1 year ago
    If blacks dont get beyond their racism and anger at white people they will continue to be played.Im BLACK that being a state of mind that realizes ther is A MALE DOMINATED EUROCAUCASIAN POWER STRUCTURE THAT HAS MEMBERS OF ALL RACES TO DO THEIR BIDDING.ITS PURPOSE IS TO ENSLAVE THE MINDS OF ALL RACES THROUGH DIVISIONS OF GENDER RACE RELIGION AND CLASS.THIS IS THE POWER STRUCTURE BEHIND OBAMA LOOK AT THE CHASM BETWEEN HIS RHETORIC (A UNITER)and the results of his camapaign (divisions)YOU CAN DELUDE YOURSELF into believing that we are uncle toms haters afraid of progress and all of this other nonsense but we are soldiers and students of history of political propaganda and thought control.On my previous post I mentioned several theories to stimulate thought.Clinton is a true progressive.As a student in college she worke with the ACLU to make sure the BLACK PANTHERS got a fair trial.Notice the things that media matters are Obama wont refute in Corsi book.crosscheck with other sources many true radicals with no agenda.Stop getting all your information from people who think like you and the media.Iunderstand a lot of you are young and new to this game but in order to be on top of the game you have to think of every scenario possible and then weigh them against what you see.DONT FORM YOUR PERCEPTION THAT BECAUSE OBAMA IS BLACK HES IN OUR CORNER,SO WAS PAPPA DOC MUGABE IDI AMIN. THE ONLY CRITICAL THINKING IVE SEEN ON THIS SITE IS MONICA AND LILYTIGER I KNOW THERES MORE OF US OUT THER AND WE ARE GOING TO BE NEEDE TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS AS THE GAME PROGRESSES
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I was looking at some pictures that EVITA posted in the open thread. They chronicle Obama's campaign thus far.....beautiful pictures.

    I thought....Oh shit, he's really going to win this thing!


    These pictures are great, thanks again, Evita.
    http://www.scouttufankjian.com/main.php
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    I have to co-sign about these pictures. I'm looking through them now - they are terrific.
  • Jibreel Riley · 1 year ago
    The Truth Hurts... Thank you Jerome Corsi
  • Miranda · 1 year ago
    Your parents really did a bad job.