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Re: Responding To The Progressive Obama Haters Not Quite One Year Out

TruthSeeker — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:43:39 -0000

What proof is there, here?...

I am sure there are rational arguments to potentially defend the President...this one isn't one of those arguments...that is my contention.

Also, re the author, I'm referring to a post some time ago about an author, flogging her book.. when asked to talk about the book, she said that you only need to know 5 words...

At that time, there were only advance reading copies available, and I don't think Jack read the book, while recommending it. It seemed a comedy of errors..as is this harsh assessment of the "nobody" Zirin. There are others on HuffPo to attack...why Zirin? Why not Arianna?

I just find the whole thing perplexing.

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baratunde — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:34:00 -0000

I'm late on this one, but not only did candidate obama never promise single payer, he explicitly said the following (paraphrased): "If we could start from scratch, I'd be for a single payer system, but we are decades beyond our ability to implement such a thing."

The candidate and the president have been consistent on promoting competition, controlling costs, de-coupling insurance from employment and a few other key values, but never ever single payer.

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baratunde — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:31:50 -0000

still working on the font size. sorry for the delay

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Ametia — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:59:09 -0000

WEESeeYou, CLEARLY.

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GreenLadyHere13 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:38:16 -0000

RobM: THANKS 4 this NOTE. :>)

Shoot, I thought that it was my "READING GLASSES & I went and bought some with a higher MAGNIFICATION!! :>) :>)

Couldn't C any betta!! :>)

***shakin' my head*** :>) :>)

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PBomb — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:06:57 -0000

Please don't feed the this commenter. I have broken down several of this person's arguments with no reply back. No matter what factual evidence you prove and show, this person lives in la-la land and only believes ideas that fit their agenda.

It's honestly a waste of time.

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Webb — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:45:47 -0000

We need to fight for the change we believe in.

We would be much better fighters for change if we were unified. But how can I unite with someone who continuously fights (and doubts) my President?

My bad--you all at the Huffington Post are only acting in the best interests of All Americans, right? Nope, you all are acting in the best interests of your web traffic and profits. Sometimes, I don't know what to believe anymore...but I see you Dave. WEESeeYou Dave.

As a matter of fact, WEESeeYou Jane Hamsher, Jack, Jill, & Arianna: All Hugged-Up--Too Close for Comfort?

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soothsayer — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:57:53 -0000

Obama is never above criticism, and he's received a lot of mine. But he has not flip flopped on DADT. He was against it during the campaign and he still is.

Congress will have to overturn it.

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texascowgirl — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:23:03 -0000

President Obama campaigned on universal health care, not single payer. They aren't the same thing, not even in Europe. Hillary campaigned on single payer. That was one of the few places that they disagreed.

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paramendra — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:21:28 -0000

http://democracyforum.blogs...

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dthomas_85 — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:56:33 -0000

Thank you for posting that site, it's very informative. However, how politifact categorizes what promises have been broken and what promises haven't been broken is a little vague and questionable. There's like 4 or 5 categories and there is far too much grey area in determining where Obama stands on an issue at present. Politifact seems to be running with the assumption that Obama might stiill do everything even if he's shown little or no support for a particular issue while being president thus far. How politifact makes certain determinations makes little sense as well. For example, they say the following about the Obama administration pushing for a bill that would allow medicare to negotiate for cheaper drugs oversees:

"As the negotiations in Congress over health care have progressed, though, it appears the White House will not push Obama's campaign promise to allow Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices, nor another measure to allow consumers to buy imported prescription drugs"

Yet politifact categorizes this as just being "stalled". Come on.

The site also does not include Obama's flip flops that came before he was elected either - things like voting for FISA or changing his position on NAFTA. People actually voted for him in the primaries because of his positions on these issues. . The general election Obama was much more conservative than the primary Obama - politifact seems to be using the general election platform as a measuring stick totally dismissing the promises made during the primaries that were broken.

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Miranda — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:48:20 -0000

"is skidish to govern fully from the left the way Bush did from the right." Ummm, what gave you the impression that then Candidate Obama would ever do such a thing? He never ever ever once implied he'd be some radical leftist counterpart to Bush, and heaven knows I wouldn't want that anyway.

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Miranda — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:44:42 -0000

*dead*

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Miranda — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:40:50 -0000

Facts smacts........who needs reality when making up shit is so much more fun?

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Miranda — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:36:22 -0000

No Santa?????????

http://www.blogcdn.com/www....

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Miranda — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:33:09 -0000

Well, I think "impatient moonbats" is a fairly accurate term to describe the hissy-fitters.

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JeffL — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:59:31 -0000

EB, is this the one you mean?
http://narcosphere.narconew...

Another Giordano writeup on health care making the point it is not just about laying back and taking verbal shots at the Prez:
http://narcosphere.narconew...

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Liza — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:27:18 -0000

I am late to the party but I do think Obama needs to be heavily criticized for his choice of Tim Geithner as Treasury Secretary. The man is so beholden to his buddies in the financial industry that he will do whatever it takes to protect them while screwing the President at the same time.

Mr. President--dump Geithner!

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LTMidnight — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:44:34 -0000

I could rebut all of your arguments you just laid out (and will do so is you wish), but I'm assuming your bigger argument is that Obama hasn't lived up to ANY promises you made, and nothing could be further from the truth.

http://www.politifact.com/t...

If you look at that sight, you can see "Promises Kept" is more that "Compromised", "Broken", and "Stalled" combined.

If you have an issue with a president keeping every single promise he/she makes, you could elect the biggest moonbat in office and he wouldn't be able to keep the promises he/she made if he could.

http://www.politifact.com/t...

As you can see, he hasn't broken that promise, yet. So you're wrong there.

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MoObama — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:02:24 -0000

Thank you. Can't anybody tell the truth? Deed was a bad candidate. When Obama came to Norfolk people came to see him not Deeds. These politicians are lazy, they think Obama's political machine is going to show up and work to get them elected while they sit on the sidelines. The word is, Deeds didn't want Obama here but needed him.

Re: Responding To The Progressive Obama Haters Not Quite One Year Out

MoObama — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:56:06 -0000

WOW! you sure expect a lot in 10 months. And you are so turned off that you will not vote Democrat again...good luck with your 3rd party.

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MoObama — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:50:10 -0000

Thank you! And I never heard him say anything about single payer healthcare. He always said, we should get the same healthcare as the Congress, "Choice".

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Admiral_Komack — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:43:45 -0000

It means she doesn't know what she's talking about.

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Admiral_Komack — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:37:36 -0000

"You probably took the fact that Santa Claus wasn't real pretty hard as well."

-Santa Claus isn't real?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(sob) But who ate the cookies & drank the milk I set out for Santa?

(wails) Darn you, LTMidnight. darn you to heck!

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eclecticbrotha — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:17:06 -0000

Great post, Jack.

I need to find Al Giordano's smack down of the liberal elite and post it here.