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Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:56:00 -0000

Barack Black Eagle was adopted into the Crow Nation, right?

Well here's the crow as spirit guide:

Crows are very vocal birds. They are sly and often deceptive in their actions. Crows have been known to build false nests high in treetops to confuse predators. The height of their nests give them the opportunity to watch everything that is going on around them. Many cultures think of crow as the keeper of knowledge for nothing escapes their keen sight.

Crows travel in groups and make mischief in teams. As one crow explores something new, others will watch closely to see what happens and then learn from it. In this way they seem to always be in council with each other. They often raise a ruckus when hunters are around, warning deer and other birds. Crows recognize possible danger and always post lookouts when feeding---thier most vulnerable time.

Their language is complex and they have a remarkable voice range. Each caw has its own meaning. Sometimes crow warns of impending danger. Other times it signals a time to join in council and make decisions. Listening to crow can teach those with this medicine how to hear the truth of what is being said.

The striking black color of crow represents the color of creation. It is the womb out of which the new is born. Black the color of night gives birth to the light of a new day. Crow is a daytime bird reminding us that magic and creation are present in both. Their ability to shift between the known and unknown world indicates new journeys.

Because crow is adaptable to all environments and will eat almost anything they can survive in almost any situation. Crow is associated with magic, unseen forces and spiritual strength. If crow flies into your life, get out of your familiar nest, look beyond your present range of vision, listen to its caw and act accordingly.

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Barack is going to be just fine.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

GoldenAh — Sun, 25 May 2008 13:32:00 -0000

The Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra, Laurence Harvey, and Angela Lansbury (Queen of Hearts).

Billary is channeling Queen of Hearts.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Angela — Sun, 25 May 2008 10:55:00 -0000

I have also read that the Clinton people will bus in supporters for demonstrations. I know some don't think it will be a big deal, but, I would sure like to see some Obama supporters out there holding Obama signs.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Angela — Sun, 25 May 2008 10:51:00 -0000

Every time I get to feeling Obama has this nomination I come across chilling comments like below. Its a long article.....I have an excerpt of the paragraph that makes me feel ill. Taibbi is writing about the Rules Committe meeting on May 31st, of which I have read have more Clinton supporters on it than Obama supporters. How does that make you feel?

http://www.rollingstone.com...

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The Superdelegates

By trying to overturn Obama's victory, Hillary has helped make America a place where elections are decided by lawyers instead of voters

MATT TAIBBI

Posted May 29, 2008 12:00 PM

The reality, though, is that no one really knows what the fuck is going on now over the phone lines. All we know is that D-day is May 31st and that between now and then — unless Hillary bows out — the orderly and rational process of primary season is going to give way to the clubs-and-stones Hobbesian jungle that is unregulated, raw politics, the politics of using any means necessary to fight your enemy. While we wait for this process to play itself out, we are as helpless as Chinese citizens waiting for the Politburo to hand them a new premier, or Catholics watching the chimney in St. Peter's Square for word of a new pope."

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Sun, 25 May 2008 10:39:00 -0000

Howard Wolfson and Terry McAuliffe are on the morning shows doing exactly what I predicted:

Smearing Obama and his campaign for inflaming the situation by calling her remarks unfortunate with no place in the campaign.

All of them are evil incarnate.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

craig — Sun, 25 May 2008 10:32:00 -0000

Is this something that we're looking for?

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Sen. Barack Obama accused Sen. Hillary Clinton of stoking anger in Florida and Michigan over the Democratic Party's decision not to recognize the states' primary votes.

"They weren't stirring it up when they didn't need the delegates," he said. "Let's not sort of pretend that we don't know what's going on. This is, from their perspective, their last slender hope to make arguments about how they can win."

Obama, speaking to reporters on his campaign plane late Saturday, also took on Sen. John McCain's suggestion that Obama's lack of military service makes him unqualified to criticize him on veterans issues.

"I will cede to no one the ability to talk about veterans issues," Obama said. "My grandfather was a veteran. Those veterans benefits helped my grandparents to raise my mother. I have veterans throughout the state of Illinois that I've been fighting for since I came into the United States Senate."

Obama returned to his home base of Chicago, Illinois, Saturday night after a campaign swing through in Puerto Rico, which holds its primary June 1, and spending three days in Florida.

Obama said he wants a resolution of the controversy over the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegations so that they "feel that they've been treated fairly and they're seated."

"I want to be looking at them when I'm standing on the stage in Denver in August," Obama said.

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Nixon is saying the nomination process needs to be changed.

May I remind people that after the 2000 election, she claimed that the first thing she'd do in the US Senate was work on pushing through an amendment to get rid of the electoral college.

Far as I'm aware that was all hot air.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 08:50:00 -0000

val said, Not all the Kennedy's are so easy to "understand" Hillary's statements.

http://www.nypost.com/seven...

Yup, I don't think Hillary's completely off the hook as far as the Kennedy family is concerned. They might play it cool, but I don't think they're gonna forget it. And I'd think that this could come back to bite her in the near future back in NY politics.

It was weird to see RFK Jr. come out with such a strong defense so soon. I know he's the son, but I'm not sure if he speaks for the whole family like that.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Val — Sun, 25 May 2008 08:30:00 -0000

Not all the Kennedy's are so easy to "understand" Hillary's statements.

http://www.nypost.com/seven...

Kennedy's Feel Bobby-Socked.

May 25, 2008 --

Members of the Kennedy family are incensed over Hillary Rodham Clinton's invoking the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy to explain why she's staying in the race - and they think it could be the death knell of an increasingly desperate and sloppy campaign.

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Michelle — Sun, 25 May 2008 04:30:00 -0000

I just saw this in a quick google news check before turning off the computer:

Trouble brewing in N.Y. for Clinton: Black leaders say that if Hillary Rodham Clinton returns as senator, she'll need to heal racial wounds her campaign has inflicted.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 03:20:00 -0000

I agree with teacher. That whole, "let's give bill a shot at redemption tour" would be a bad idea.

You just gotta cut some people loose sometimes.

Message to Obama: Keep bill and hill as FAAAAAR away from your campaign as possible.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

teacher — Sun, 25 May 2008 03:01:00 -0000

Truthseeker, your post was really interesting and insightful. Let me also add that she doesn't strike me as a very self-aware person. How could she be when a majority of her life and actions are based on a charade, lies & denial? Even though I think those are her personal problems, there is still something very tragic about her & her life choices. Humiliation follows her like a dog following a floating pork chop. It's weird. She's in the closet in so many ways. Let's count them later.

Babyming, what you said was so succinct: Assassination is to African Americans as oven is to Jews. That truly summarizes it.

Craig, I read the article about the Obama campaign allegedly asking bill to campaign for him to heal the rift in the party. To me that seems like somewhat of a faulty strategy, and one that I am vehemently opposed to. For one, bill hasn't done that great for hill. I have seen quite a bit of footage of him talking about himself and his accomplishments when he is (so-called) campaigning for his (so-called) wife. It's almost as if he is saying "if you vote form her, you'll get me back." Secondly, he didn't campaign all that great for Al Gore, who he knows well and "respected." You never hear of them having anything to do with each other since then either. I think the best bill would be able to do would be similar to a John Edwards fake ass endorsement, suggesting that hillary is better, but since she's not going to win, I endorse Obama. Who needs it? Third, I think billy is a lose cannon and can't be trusted. He has also endorsed McCryptkeeper over Obama along with her. Part of why these people keep doing this unsavory stuff is because they continuously get bailed out. I honestly don't believe he wants to heal his relationship with AA's except for the sake of continuing his career & having power. He didn't hesitate to play the race card & then blame it on Obama & neither did she. Let them just live with the ramifications of that.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 02:30:00 -0000

truthseeker said, "This is abusive, not hit you upside your head abusive - it's the killer not telling the grieving parent where their child's body is kind of abusive."

You hit the nail on the head with that one, truthseeker.

Olbermann made a great point in his special comment. . . Hillary won't go away until we, the people and media, start holding her accountable. She gets away with as much as we're willing to let her.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

inkognegro — Sun, 25 May 2008 02:21:00 -0000

Rik,

Keith Olberman's audience, particularly between 25-54, is roughly the equal to O'Reilly's and is pretty much must see TV for progressive Political Junkies.

And this is taking into consideration that it isnt available in parts of the NY media market apparently for some kind of random carrier reasons.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 02:19:00 -0000

black american princess,

"Uhhhh, why does Obama keep giving this pig a pass???"

My family and I were having the same conversation today. Of course, the idea is that taking the high road gives a stark contrast to her evil ways.

But Obama needs to bring the hammer down the next time she even THINKS of stepping out of line. Otherwise, he's just enabling her poor behavior.

The next time she shows her a*s (which should be any day, now) Obama needs to come out with a list, just like Olbermann did, to shut her up and put this thing to bed.

This issue came up on some other discussion threads. People are noting how Obama has a list that he can point to of times when he either (a) took the high road; and/or (b) gave Hillary cover for one of her stupid statements.

Hillary, on the other hand, doesn't have such a list. In fact, she has a list of times where she's piled on along with the media, John McCain and the RNC (Rev. Wright, "bittergate," "NAFTA-gate" etc.).

One person recalled how Obama also defended Hillary's "sniper" gaffe during the ABC debate in late April.

Add that to his constant praise of Hillary despite her evil ways, and Obama's got a TON of karma points through good faith.

But he needs to cash them in sooner or later.

People have a tendency to mistake kindness for weakness.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Sun, 25 May 2008 02:06:00 -0000

I hadn't seen and didn't know about the past references to assasination.

Maybe this is why he didn't spend a lot of time in WV or KY.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sun, 25 May 2008 00:51:00 -0000

rikyrah and michelle,
I don't know... it just really hit me in my gut, as it made all of the events of the past week take on an even more ominous tone... If it does predate this week, then maybe I'm just being hypersensitive... but that doesn't change the fact that, as you stated rikyrah...she's an evil woman.

On that same note... over at The Field, Al posted an interesting plea NOT to give HRC's remarks more play (and this may also explain Obama's decision to take the high road): He asked folks to read this (http://www.psychohistory.co... article before "speaking aloud" about her remarks.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Michelle — Sun, 25 May 2008 00:30:00 -0000

Truthseeker: I'm adding my voice to those who have said how great and accurate your post is. Very deep, very on-point IMO.

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lexusOakland: I'm almost 100% certain I saw the new picture (him alone, not the family) on May 7th when donating $25 in response to his campaign's email about Clinton lending her campaign 6.4 million -- I think I noticed and remarked on it to my girlfriend at the time. I just asked her and she thinks she remembers that too, we were both standing there with the credit card and looking. But then, rikyrah says she saw the old picture a couple of days ago. So maybe they've switched it before as well?

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Black American Princess — Sat, 24 May 2008 23:45:00 -0000

Uhhhh, why does Obama keep giving this pig a pass???

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/...

But then again, I guess he has to keep taking the high road. Lord knows I would have snatched off my microphone by now and told Hillary a thing or two.

But that's why he's going to be our next President...

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

N. Mahana — Sat, 24 May 2008 23:13:00 -0000

This was the shit back in the day!

Heeey party ovah heeere!!!

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

rikyrah — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:45:00 -0000

lexusoakland,

I went to the site a couple of days ago, and the opening picture was of the family. You are probably right, and it hurts my heart too.

She's a wretched, evil woman.

EVIL.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:41:00 -0000

The events described here are disturbing if not horrifying (and one might add the Tennessee smear on Michelle)... but what I found the most frightening (and forgive me if I'm giving in to paranoia) is this: I hadn't gone to the official Obama website for awhile, and decided to do so. Until now, the opening screen had the picture of Barack, Michelle and the girls -- it now has a picture of Barack alone. Given the tenure of the last week, I cannot believe that is coincidental. I'm hoping someone can tell me it happened weeks ago, and was unrelated to these events. Otherwise, one is only left with the idea that it was changed to protect his precious family... that hurts my heart.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

TruthSeeker — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:29:00 -0000

ms.martin & craig,
thanks for the kind words!

As for Donna Brazile...I read somewhere today where she commented "I'm numb" when asked about Hillary's statement. It might have been at a link posted here...I can't recall.

I suppose Brazile and Clyburn must stay officially neutral to be able to speak out without being accused of bias.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Sat, 24 May 2008 22:07:00 -0000

rikyrah

I agree the laundry list was the most important thing he did. He broke it down. You did this and that, and that and now you have just gone too far.

The laundry list was a validation of all things wiki we know to be true.

Re: Saturday, It’s A Saturday Open Thread

Val — Sat, 24 May 2008 21:36:00 -0000

Last week I mentioned that a few of Senator Clinton's super delegates were filing a lawsuit regarding seating all the Florida delegates.

Here is a link to the letter from Senator Steven Gellar. He sent it to the DNC RBC and wanted them to review during the May 31 meeting. I thought you would be interested. Pretty long but this is the tactic they intend to use.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel...

I will also repost this on next Tuesday to make sure it is available to folks who are away this weekend.

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Val — Sat, 24 May 2008 21:28:00 -0000

Hi All - I attached the information on May 31st RBC meeting in Washington DC directly below. Just in case anyone is interested in attending.

information on getting tickets into the meeting...

The DNC has just announced that you can register to attend the meeting starting at 10am on Tuesday, May 27th.

Online registration will open at 10:00AM on Tuesday, May 27.

A meeting of the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will take place at 9:30AM on May 31, 2008 at the Marriott Wardman Park Hotel in Washington, DC. This meeting is open to the public, however due to space constraints, guests are being asked to pre-register their attendance.

Meeting Registration

Guest credentials are limited to one (1) per person. In order to reserve a seat, please fill out the registration form at the bottom of the page. A confirmation message will be sent to the e-mail address indicated on the registration form. You must bring this confirmation e-mail, along with a photo ID, in order to pick up your guest credential.

Credentials must be picked up at registration tables located outside the meeting room between 8:00-9:30AM on May 31st in order to guarantee a seat. If reserved credentials are not picked up by 9:30 AM, they will be released and given out to other members of the public. Those with reserved guest credentials will be allowed to leave the meeting room, and return to their reserved seat.

Same Day Registration

If you are unable to pre-register, limited same day registration will be available. Same-day guest credentials will be distributed on a first-come first-serve basis and are limited to one (1) per person. Individuals with a same day credential will be permitted into the meeting room as space permits.

Additional Information

In order to maintain the decorum of the meeting, banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind are strictly prohibited. Also, please be advised that the agenda for the meeting does not include time for questions from the general public.

For more information -

http://demconwatch.blogspot...

Will repost on Tuesday morning to make sure the info is available to everyone.