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Jack and Jill Politics: Saturday Open Thread

  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Here Is How It Works

    by John Cole

    What does it cost to get $2.4 billion in unemployment benefits extension?

    $24 billion:

    President Obama is scheduled today to put his signature to HR 3548, the unemployment extension bill that’s been struggling to make its way out of Congress for over a month. Thousands of unemployed Americans will applaud this move by Congress and the White House. Despite the protracted process of getting the bill through the Senate after an initial version was passed in the House, this is much-needed legislation that will help unemployed Americans whose benefits have or will run out in all 50 states.

    ***

    Also included in this bill is an extension of the homebuyer tax credit to April 2010. The bill totals $24 billion in economic stimulus through these programs.

    More here:

    The House voted 403-12 today to approve Senate amendments to H.R. 3548, the Unemployment Compensation Extension Act of 2009, and sent the measure to
    President Obama for his signature. The bill extends unemployment insurance benefits but also includes a provision added in the Senate that will expand businesses` ability to “carry back” net operating losses suffered during the current recession in order to claim a refund from taxes paid in previous years.

    You see- you aren’t allowed to just pass a bill extending unemployment benefits at the cost of $2.4 billion dollars, because that would be socialism. It takes another $21.6 billion to grease the palms of the people who own the “moderates” and the “fiscal conservatives,” and once you get the cost up to $24 billion, you have achieved “capitalism.”

    Please tell me I am interpreting this wrong. I would love to be wrong about this. I really would. I’m sure no bad can come from artificially propping up the housing market with tax credits.

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29408
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Woman Passes Driver's Exam On 950th Try
    SEOUL, South Korea — A woman in South Korea who tried to pass the written exam for a driver's license with near-daily attempts since April 2005 has finally succeeded on her 950th time. The aspiring driver spent more than 5 million won ($4,200) in application fees, but until now had failed to score the minimum 60 out of a possible 100 points needed to get behind the wheel for a driving test.

    Cha Sa-soon, 68, finally passed the written exam with a score of 60 on Wednesday, said Choi Young-chul, a police official at the drivers' license agency in Jeonju, 130 miles (210 kilometers) south of Seoul.

    Police said Cha took the test hundreds of times, but had no specific total. Local media said she took the test 950 times.

    Now she must pass a driving test before getting her license, Choi said.

    Repeated calls to Cha seeking comment went unanswered. She told the Korea Times newspaper she needed the license for her vegetable-selling business.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_34929...
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    Now THAT is determination
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    She got lucky
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    She needs to sit her old ass down. She is basically going to be learning how to drive at 68. I expect a story of her causing an accident in a few months.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Dealing With The Blue Dogs
    Posted by Zandar
    The big story this morning is last night's deal with the Blue Dogs to strip any and all abortion funding from the House health care reform measure. Today's vote will indeed continue, but Nancy Pelosi has been forced to allow an amendment vote to block not only the public option from being used to pay for abortions, but from any insurance plan offered in the so called health insurance exchange. As Steve Benen reports, Pelosi had no choice.
    The House Democratic leadership didn't want to go this route, but was out of options -- they just couldn't get to 218.
    The idea, at this point, is to allow a vote on the amendment. Pro-choice Dems can register their opposition, but the amendment is expected to have the votes pass.

    And that's when this might get a little trickier. If the Stupak/Ellsworth amendment is approved, Democrats who've withheld their support over this issue will throw their support to the larger reform bill. The angle to keep an eye on, however, is what happens to the strong, pro-choice leaders in the caucus -- will they switch sides and vote to kill the bill?

    Most of the vote counts I've seen put the number of hard "no" votes in the Democratic caucus at 25. The majority can lose no more than 40. The vote is still expected for tonight, with top White House officials and cabinet sectaries working the phones and walking the halls of Congress, keeping the heat on wavering members.

    On one hand, most private health insurance plans offered through the workplace simply don't cover abortions to begin with. Mine doesn't, for example. There's also a raft of state laws and limited doctors who will perform the procedure that make getting an abortion nearly impossible anyway no matter what the public option says.

    On the other hand, the Dems are better people than to be misogynist assholes. The reality is this: Will the Blue Dogs who vote for the anti-abortion amendment vote for the House bill at the final vote?

    I'm thinking no. If the measure dies in the House due to the abortion measure, well, there's no way anyone will ever touch health care reform in the future. Nancy just may have dealt herself into a corner, and the Blue Dogs may just end up putting the Dems out of business in 2010.

    Hasn't anyone on Capitol Hill figured out that the reason the Republicans won in 1994 was because Democrats killed Clinton's health care reform?

    http://zandarvts.blogspot.com/2009/11/dealing-w...
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Underwater Kite Harnesses Ocean Energy
    A completely new concept of underwater wave energy using a simple 7 ton kite turbine design has been developed by Minesto; which is a spinoff from the Swedish military and aircraft design firm Saab. The Deep Green underwater turbine captures the power of the ocean just like a kite in wind.

    The system could generate 18 terawatthours of energy annually, enough to provide nearly 4 million British households with reliably green electricity every year. UK households now use about a third of what average US households use in energy.

    >>Find local group discounts on solar power for your home.
    Originally Saab was working on a kite design for a wind turbine, but found that the concept would actually work better in water, which is 832 times more dense than air.

    The kite twirls in a repeating figure eight pattern (video) that increases the ocean velocity ten-fold. The first stage increases the relative flow speed entering a turbine. When the tide hits the wing it turns down, which creates a lift force. The kite is mounted to the ocean bed with a tether and is controlled by a rudder to gently nudge it in the desired trajectory.

    According to Minesto’s website, each megawatt-worth of kite(s) would weigh 14 tons, so it would seem that each 7 ton kite is a 500 KW unit. According to CEO Anders Jansson’s estimate, these could probably produce power for somewhere between $0.09 cents and $0.20 cents per kwh.

    Certainly because these are such extremely simple-tech structures they would be cost effective - costing less in materials per power produced, and costing less in transporting them to the site, in installing them and even in ongoing maintenance costs.

    Almost half the potential in Europe is in British waters, with the ocean moving an average of 1 to 2 metres per second between 60 and 120 metres below the surface.

    The Carbon Trust based in the UK gave early development support. Minesto’s Deep Green is now funded in part by the UK and Swedish governments, and has nearly $3 million in additional capital from parent company Saab Group, Midroc New Technology, Verdane Capital and Encubator.

    With these kinds of serious investors, and such a simple and cost effective design, this could be what gets wave power to the world.
    http://cleantechnica.com/2009/10/23/underwater-...
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    The unemployment rate surpassed 10 percent for the first time since 1983, rising to a deeper than expected 10.2 percent in October from 9.8 percent a month earlier. Nearly 16 million people can’t find jobs and employers cut a net total of 190,000 jobs in October, an improvement from a revised estimate of 219,000 job losses in September, according to figures released from the US Labor Department Friday.

    The largest job losses over the month were in manufacturing employment, which fell 61,000 last month, construction industries payrolls dropped 62,000, and retail trade was down 40,000. Private economists had forecast that the unemployment rate would rise to 9.9 percent from 9.8 percent in September, and that jobs would drop by about 175,000 jobs in October. It’s the 22nd straight month the U.S. economy has shed jobs, the longest on records dating back 70 years.

    The underemployment rate, which includes part-time workers, the jobless and those who have given up on searching, was 17.5 percent in October, the highest level since at least 1994. There is great concern that rising unemployment could derail any recovery by restricting consumer spending, which accounts for 70% of the economy. Friday’s report comes one day after Congress voted overwhelmingly to extend unemployment benefits by up to 20 weeks and upbeat economic data on the jobs market and from several retailers helped the Dow push back above the 10000 level with a 203-point gain. The dollar fell against both the euro and the yen following the release of the figures.

    Unemployment Rate Highest in 26 Years - Jumps To 10.2 Percent
    10.2 is the "official" rate. Black males' unemployment in urban areas have been consistently at 50% because long before THIS recession jobs were moved from urban centers where Blacks are concentrated.
  • AM2k9 · 1 month ago
    AM: When the history of the financial crisis and the bailouts for big corporate banks is written (perhaps when the history of the Obama's first time round is written) we will be told that the only alternative available was to bail out the bankers that created the crisis.

    Elizabeth Warren: We Rescued The Top Of The System, Left The Bottom To Fend For Itself (VIDEO)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/elizab...

    Elizabeth Warren, the chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel charged with monitoring the bank bailout, was on Morning Joe Friday morning to dig in to the newly released unemployment report. The numbers are bleak -- unemployment has surpassed 10 percent for the first time since 1983 -- and Warren is not surprised.

    "Let's face it," Warren said, "This is sort of how we went about the rescue -- we rescued at the top and we left the bottom to kind of fend for itself -- and that's showing up in the unemployment numbers."

    Warren went on to explain that the report is really about the guarantees the Government made to protect banks' assets while leaving the public out to dry.
    "Look, it saved the top of the system," Warren acknowledged. "It helped stabilize it, but not so much for families who are hard hit down on the ground, the real economy." There's always the question, Warren explains, about how you save the top -- in this case, the public pays for the banks' guarantees and the top executives benefit. "We said, in effect, at the top, there's really not any pain in return for taxpayer support. Not so much so when it comes to folks at the bottom. We said wait a year, we'll get there, we'll do what we can."
    Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough suggested that it was the old "socialize the profits, privatize the gains" scenario, but Warren took it one step further.

    "The way I think of it is: they say something like 'Give me your money, investors and I'm going to Las Vegas and put it all on red 22. And if red 22 comes in -- woo! we are RICH. If red 22 doesn't come in, don't worry because the tax payers will pay you back the money you invested."


    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/elizab...
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    Sen. Dick Durbin, on a local Chicago radio station this week, blurted out an obvious truth about Congress that, despite being blindingly obvious, is rarely spoken: "And the banks -- hard to believe in a time when we're facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created -- are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place." The blunt acknowledgment that the same banks that caused the financial crisis "own" the U.S. Congress -- according to one of that institution's most powerful members -- demonstrates just how extreme this institutional corruption is.

    The ownership of the federal government by banks and other large corporations is effectuated in literally countless ways, none more effective than the endless and increasingly sleazy overlap between government and corporate officials. Here is just one random item this week announcing a couple of standard personnel moves ...

    Top Senate Democrat: bankers "own" the U.S. Congress
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    Regulators on Friday shut small banks in Georgia and Michigan, bringing the number of bank failures this year to 117 amid the struggling economy and a cascade of defaults on loans.

    The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. took over United Security Bank, based in Sparta, Ga., with $157 million in assets and $150 million in deposits, and Home Federal Savings Bank in Detroit, with $14.9 million in assets and $12.8 million in deposits.

    Ameris Bank, based in Moultrie, Ga., agreed to assume the assets and deposits of United Security, while Liberty Bank and Trust Co., based in New Orleans, is buying the assets and deposits of Home Federal Savings.

    The failure of United Security is expected to cost the federal deposit insurance fund an estimated $58 million; that of Home Federal Savings is expected to cost $5.4 million. The 117 failures this year compare with 25 last year and three in 2007. The failures have cost the federal fund more than $27 billion so far this year

    Two bank failures make 117 for the year
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    Treatment, not incarceration, should be the first option for veterans who commit nonviolent drug-related offenses, a group advocating alternatives to the nation’s “war on drugs” said Wednesday in a new report.

    The Drug Policy Alliance report also called on government agencies to adopt overdose prevention programs and policies for vets who misuse substances or take prescription medicines, and urged “significantly expanded” access to medication-assisted therapies, such as methadone and buprenorphine, for the treatment of dependence on opioid drugs used to treat pain and mood disorders.

    During a conference call with a Drug Policy Alliance representative and seven other advocates for change in the treatment of veterans, the military’s Tricare health benefits program came under fire for what a New York-based physician and specialist in drug addiction treatment called its failure to pay for veterans’ and family members’ opioid dependence treatments.

    The treatments, said Robert Newman of the Rothschild Chemical Dependency Institute, are endorsed by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and the Institute of Medicine.

    Newman cited a 2008 speech by U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Michael Michalak in Hanoi, in which he acknowledged that U.S. dollars were being spent on methadone treatment for Vietnamese drug addicts.

    “And yet, our government, our Department of Defense, has an insurance plan that simply excludes maintenance treatment,” Newman said. “I find that outrageous.”

    Report: Vets need drug treatment, not jail
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    shouldn't be the policy only for veterans.
  • zackboston · 1 month ago
    cosign, thinking about my own community. . .
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    Agreed.

    This article seems to be addressing Vietnam redux: The Iraq War—On Drugs (giving troops bags of meds, pills). Returning soldiers must go "cold turkey" after free flowing drugs given to them to function while in Iraq.
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    A series of caves and rock shelters located in the Summer Lake Basin north of Paisley in south-central Oregon, may hold evidence of the earliest Native Americans living in North America that has ever been discovered. An unassuming scraper-like tool fashioned from bone, found in one of the Paisley Caves, has been definitively carbon-dated as 14,230 years old, which is the oldest and only pre-Clovis artifact ever found in the Americas.

    This exciting discovery lays waste to a still predominant theory that the earliest human inhabitants of North America, referred to as the Clovis culture, arrived here 12,900 to 12,400 years ago, while crossing the Bering Strait.

    Scientists believe that pre-Clovis peoples migrated here south along the North American coastlines. The Paisley Caves are located upriver from the Pacific Ocean, placing them along the possible migration route of pre-Clovis Native Americans.

    The recent excavation of the Paisley Caves was conducted by the Northern Great Basin Field School, with the University of Oregon, lead by archaeologist Dennis L. Jenkins. The head archaeologist presented his team’s exciting finding last month in a lecture at the University of Oregon. He explained that the simple bone tool was subjected to studies of sediment and radiocarbon dating, which suggested it belonged to a pre Clovis culture.

    Jon Erlandson, an archaeologist at the University of Oregon said, “They can’t yet rule out the Paisley Cave people weren’t Clovis.” But none of the Clovis people’s distinct fluted spear and arrow points were found in the cave.

    Oregon Caves Yield Rare Pre-Clovis Artifact 14,230 Years Old
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    But the earth is only 6000 years old and everyone knows adam and eve were the first people and they had two sons cain and able and that's how the human race started.Now if only someone explain to me where was cains wife ?
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    There are no native americans - only a long series of immigrants.
  • Shanti2 · 1 month ago
    Tell Angelar that with a staight face....
  • Town · 1 month ago
    Native Americans aren't Real Americans(tm). Only people straight from the Mayflower and the Jamestown ships were Real Americans(tm).
  • Shanti2 · 1 month ago
    LOL! Yes, and like I said, tell that to Angelar.....
  • ecthompson · 1 month ago
    The progressive Errington Thompson show is now. Streaming at http://www.880therevolution.com. My guest is Alex Koppleman of the War Room on Salon.com. (I tried to get J&J's Jack Turner but he didn't return my e-mail. :-( Hopefully, I can get him on soon.)
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    For the first lady, tradition gets side of Italian dressing
    By Robin Givhan
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, November 5, 2009

    MILAN -- The design team at Moschino, led by Rossella Jardini, didn't even realize that Michelle Obama was wearing one of the company's ensembles the first few times it happened. She'd selected a chartreuse suit for a campaign rally in Iowa. But she'd cinched the belt, which had been sold with the collarless, hip-length jacket, in a pleasingly eccentric manner. It was tied in a bow and then adorned with an abstract brooch that looked vaguely Native American. Later, at the Democratic National Convention, she wore the jacket with black trousers. And without a belt. The result was to render the suit virtually unrecognizable to its own designer. Not that that was a bad thing.

    Yet even more surprising than Obama's personalized styling of the suit was the choice itself. Moschino is an Italian brand -- based in Milan, manufactured in Italy and with 54 percent of its sales in Europe, compared with only 10 percent in the United States. (Dresses, for instance, are priced between $895 and upward of $2,000.) In fact, it was only last year that the company opened a New York flagship after several years without a U.S. presence. In a politically correct world -- one in which first ladies traditionally wear clothes created by American designers for their most public appearances -- Jardini simply didn't think that Obama would ever wear a high-priced Italian designer brand, with a history for outrageous humor, on such public occasions.

    After all, in the 1960s, Jackie Kennedy was taken to task by American apparel unions because of her fondness for French designers. As a remedy, she chose Oleg Cassini as her go-to dressmaker, in part, because he was an American designer who could and would re-interpret the work that came down the Paris runways. (Kennedy still managed to continue wearing French designs.) Since then, it has always been assumed that the first lady's state wardrobe would be handled by Americans. When Laura Bush, for instance, made one of her earliest trips abroad as first lady in 2001, she enlisted old-guard New York designers Arnold Scaasi and Oscar de la Renta to create her most significant ensembles. And other recent first ladies -- from Nancy Reagan to Hillary Clinton -- have relied on Scaasi and de la Renta, as well as St. John, James Galanos, Carolina Herrera and the occasional Donna Karan.

    The executives at Moschino understood that long-standing tradition. So while they have been happy to claim credit when the first lady has worn the brand, they have not aggressively touted it. Their public comments have been brief. Bragging? Almost nonexistent. "It's a bit difficult to handle the situation because you don't want to push it," Jardini says. "That would seem indelicate."

    In addition to Moschino, Obama has worn Lanvin, Junya Watanabe, Sonia Rykiel and plenty of Azzedine Alaia, one of the French fashion industry's most elusive designers. She has had the most international wardrobe of any modern first lady, turning her closet into a virtual United Nations and using her aesthetic sensibility as a form of non-verbal diplomacy as well as a reflection of an increasingly inter-connected world.

    Of all the non-American labels Obama has worn, Moschino appears to be the one most frequently in rotation. And the clothes -- some of them dramatic, insouciant and attention-grabbing -- have made repeat appearances, often on the most memorable occasions. Obama wore a white blouse with a Brobdingnagian bow in Prague on her first overseas trip as first lady. She chose a lime-colored sequined dress with cap sleeves for the Cinco de Mayo celebration at the White House. A coral-colored jacket with a pleated swing back and a matching skirt made an appearance during the "You lie!" address to Congress in September. At other public events, she has worn a purple floral dress, a pink and gray printed skirt, a black blazer with scalloped edges and a circular jeweled brooch. And perhaps most notably, she was in a modest black Moschino ensemble -- veil included -- when she met the pope in July.

    "I was in front of the television when she went to visit the pope in our black bow blouse," Jardini says. "It was an extremely emotional moment."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

    Nice little story about the "stimulus" package.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    What does the Army really do with goats?

    Cover of Men Who Stare at Goats
    When I was a reporter in the Washington bureau of Jane’s Defence Weekly, it was my job to uncover new things that the U.S. military was up to. By far the most tedious way of doing this was to comb through the FedBizOpps website, where the government publicly has to solicit pretty much everything it wants to buy. But for every sexy new missile or helicopter program you’d come across, there would be 10,000 requests for office furniture or lawnmowing services. But that one in 10,000 made it worth the time, so about once a week I got an extra cup of coffee and set to it.

    One day, in 2005, I came across this solicitation, from the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, N.C.:

    88 — LIVE, MALE, CAPRINES (GOATS)
    This caught my attention. I had just read The Men Who Stare at Goats, and was blown away by the incredible story of serious military research done on the paranormal, and that it was ever considered that soldiers might walk into battle holding baby lambs to pacify enemies. And that the Army had a program called “Jedi Warrior.” And, of course, as per the title of the book, that researchers experimented on how to kill goats simply by staring at them. The research was being done, the book said, by U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Ft. Bragg.

    So that listing obviously rang a bell. It went on: “The US Army has a a requirement for Caprines (goats) to be delivered to Fort Bragg, NC as required during the period 1 June 2002 thru 31 May 2003 with (2) one-year option periods. The caprines must be live, male, healthy, weighing fifty (50) pounds or more.”

    Curious, I called the public affairs officer at Ft Bragg, and asked what it was about. He didn’t know — and, to my surprise, hadn’t heard of the book. I also emailed the author, Jon Ronson, through his website, thinking he might find the solicitation funny. (Unfortunately all of this email traffic was on my janes account, which has been lost, so I’m paraphrasing.)

    I heard back quickly from Ronson, who said “Wow — so it might be true.” Which wasn’t the response I expected to get from an author of a purportedly nonfiction book. But as True/Slant’s Dan Kois reports, the opening title of the movie, opening Friday, reads: “More of this is true than you would believe.” So the filmmakers seem to be making no claims about airtight facts.

    And then, I heard back from the public affairs officer at Ft. Bragg. He had found out what they used the goats for, but asked me not to report it: They were used for ballistics testing. Apparently goat flesh is a close enough approximation to human flesh that when researchers want to figure out how a human might react to being shot in various situations, well… (This was not a secret, anyway, plenty of people have discussed it.)

    The army has solicited for goats lots of times, from at least 2002 to 2006. One time, for example, the army was looking for 150 goats, and specified that “[g]oats can not be fed the night prior to delivery.” Would cut down on the mess, I imagine. But I did a search on fedbizopps now, which lets you search for solicitations back 365 days, and found that there have been no goat orders in the past year.

    So: does the army have a better means of ballistics testing now? Did they get in trouble with animal rights people? Are they raising their own goats now? Anyone reading this at Ft Bragg, drop a line…
    http://trueslant.com/joshuakucera/2009/11/06/wh...
  • morphus · 1 month ago
    "So: does the army have a better means of ballistics testing now? Did they get in trouble with animal rights people? Are they raising their own goats now?"
    AMERICA’S body parts scandal deepened yesterday with the disclosure that the US military had purchased bodies donated “to science” to blow up in landmine experiments.

    A medical school at Tulane University has suspended its dealings with a body-broker after discovering that he sold some of its surplus cadavers to the US Army, which used them in tests of anti-mine footwear.

    Donated bodies blown up in US Army mine tests

    U.S. "security interest" projects reveal many paranormal efforts.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Who cares? They're goats.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Question of the day
    Why does Michael Steele always look like his suit is two sizes too big? Is it because his head is so tiny in relation to his trunk?

    Or does he pad the shoulders of his jackets to look all broad shouldered and manly and republican?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Muslim Population in the Military Raises Difficult Issues

    By YOCHI J. DREAZEN

    The deadly rampage at Fort Hood is forcing Pentagon officials to confront difficult questions about the military's growing Muslim population.

    The military has worked hard to recruit more Muslims since the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the number of Muslim troops, while still small, has been increasing. There were 3,409 Muslims in the active-duty military as of April 2008, according to Pentagon statistics.

    Military personnel don't have to disclose their religions, and many officials believe the actual number of Muslim soldiers may be at least 10,000 higher than the Pentagon statistics. For instance, the military "Officer Record Brief" of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in the Fort Hood shootings, said he had "no religious preference" and didn't identify him as a Muslim.

    Even now, Muslim soldiers remain fairly rare in some parts of the military. At West Point, Army officials said there were just 24 Muslim cadets out of a total student body of 4,400. The Muslim cadets worship in an interfaith center on the bucolic New York campus, but don't have a dedicated mosque.

    The push to boost Muslim representation has proven to be a double-edged sword for the military, which desperately needs the Muslim soldiers for their language skills and cultural knowledge, but also worries that a small percentage of those soldiers might harbor extremist ideologies or choose to turn their guns on their fellow soldiers.

    In one of the military's most notorious cases of fratricide since Vietnam, Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar, a convert to Islam, rolled a grenade into a tent filled with other soldiers in April 2003. The attack killed two officers and wounded 14 others. During his court-martial, prosecution witnesses testified Sgt. Akbar had committed the attack because he believed the U.S. military would kill Muslim civilians during the coming invasion. Sgt. Akbar was later sentenced to death.

    Muslim soldiers also face challenges stemming from their dual identities as adherents of the Islamic faith and as members of the U.S. military. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Muslims serving in the U.S. military often use fake last names to avoid being singled out by insurgents as traitors and to prevent reprisals against their families elsewhere in the world.

    The Pentagon's outreach to the Muslim community has expanded significantly in recent years. The first Muslim chaplain in the military, Army Lt. Col. Abdul-Rasheed Muhammad, wasn't appointed until 1994. The military didn't open its first permanent mosque, the Masjid al Da'Wah facility at Virginia's Norfolk Navy Base, until late 1998.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125755853525335...
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    The military needs to confront the growing problem of white neo nazis who find common cause with white right wing christians.Their goal is a white christian nation.The problem is even more grave at the air force academy where james dobson has set up shop down the street and indoctrinating our future officers with a rapture mind set.They want a nuclear war so jesus can come back.Till the armed services comes to grips with this growing menace our nation will be at risk
    www.icanbeastupidassbigotalso.com
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    That's fine. I notice how you didn't address anything in the article.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    First of all the author is a neocon so for that reason alone he can kiss where the sun dont shine.But my main reason for my snark was where was his outrage when the good christian timothy mcveigh murdered over 260 americans.I search but nothing was there.Now you may believe we are in a holy war and every muslim needs to be rounded up and put into concentration camps because if Mr. dreazen had his way that's what exactly he would do.I dont have to address anything in that article because it is nothing more than religious and racial bigotry.And if you agree with anything in that trash he wrote then you are a religious bigot.Happy rapture o you and may what ever god you pray to may he have mercy on your soul.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Dj, you are so passionate. I think the author is definitely on the right side of the fence but to dismiss the fact that there is an extremist part of the Muslim population that wants to destroy this country is foolish. To simply point that out is not racial bigotry but simply stating the obvious. Just by the fact you keep on pulling out moral equivalencies shows you have no logical foundation to stand on. If you are going to talk about Oklahoma City atleast get your facts correct. T. McVeigh wasn't motivated by Christianity his beef was with the US Government. And where are you getting this 260 number from? Now you can live in the land of political correctness but lets do a rundown.

    Marine Corps Barracks in Beirut-Muslim extremists
    First World Trade Center Bombing-Muslim extremists
    Sept 11- Muslim extremists
    Embassy Bombings in Africa- Muslim extremists
    USS Cole-Muslim extremists
    Train bombings in London-Muslim extremists
    Fort Hood-Muslim extremist

    You can ignore the trend if you want. There is a small percentage of the Muslim population that interpret Koran in a way that justifies violence against others. This is a fact dj. Please, get your head out of your ass and don't call people bigots when they present facts.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    1.They murdered the marines when we injected ourselves in the civil war in Lebanon after we gave the go ahead for the 51st state to invade and massacred over 2000 palestinians
    2.When our policies according to the UN killed over a half million Iraqis WTF do you think people will do but to take the fight to your enemies.
    Look all you fuckers are crazy who just want destruction because for some reason that makes you feel manly.I think 99% of us would just say can I just raise my children in peace and you warmongers leave us the fuck alone.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Dj, you are as dumb as a box of rocks. By your logic if the United States became a isolationist country we wouldn't have to worry about terrorist attacks. Lets dissolve the US military and the state of Israel so all of our problems will go away. Hopefully, a terrorist never harms your family. But you'll understand they have a good reason to be blowing up women and children. You're a certified toolbag.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    I said nothing about being isolationism.Remember RIF. If you do dirt mud will be thrown back at you.Read some history for a change and if you want a empire dont be surprised when the oppressed fight back.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Explain your logic to the innocent women and children that are injured in terrorist attacks. You know Muslim terrorist kill other Muslims. I guess that's because of US of foreign policy as well. My friend in Pakistan doesn't send his children to public places because a bunch of animals are corrupting his religion.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Explain your logic when we bomb villages and a mother has to bury her child.Explain your logic when we use depleted uranium shells and the cancer rate goes up in Samaria.Look there are no saints we all are devils.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    What logic are you talking about? You are calling people bigots for pointing out Muslim extremism. And I'm simply trying to explain to you that it exists and it's NOT ALL because of US foreign policy. Some of the them want to destroy us because we are "infidels." And they don't like westernized culture.

    I've been to the middle east the woman over there are treated like fucking property. They kill women for simply having pre-marital sex or having a boyfriend. And your dumbass is excusing it. Get off the computer and get your passport stamped. See the world boy and get back to me. Stop your talking points from the Daily Kos.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    First dont call me boy I am not your boy or someone who kisses your ass.Second I have been to the middle east and who am I to dictate how they want to live their lives.Third who the fuck do you think you are.You know whats best on how people should live.Women here in this country are treated as second class citizens.Gays have their civil rights voted down and you presumed to think whats bests for another culture.You need to get your head out your ass and look at the rot where you live at before you play Kipling and spread the western way of life.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    "You are calling people bigots for pointing out Muslim extremism."

    It's obvious that he's calling people bigots not for calling out Muslim extremists, but for calling out...Muslims.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Ask about gay civil rights in Saudi Arabia? I'm sure Muslim terrorists really appreciate you defending them. I hope they send you a check.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    "To simply point that out is not racial bigotry but simply stating the obvious"

    Of course, a lot of your ideological brothers and sisters say things like that with regard to black people.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    WTF are you talking about Plant. Stop trying to draw parallels and changing the subject.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    It's not changing the subject at all. The point is, if they'd do it to them, they'd do it to us. Remember, the guy who killed some people in that fragging incident was black. Would you have the military but black servicemembers under the same scrutin...ah, never mind...you probably would.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    That is such an silly thing to say Plant. If you don't see a pattern of the behavior from Muslim extremists your are either stupid or in denial. If it doesn't give you pause when a person screams,"Allah Akbar" before he murders innocent then we don't have a nothing to talk about. Either way if you are going to make stupid comments like the one you just made the special education thread is somewhere near your Nambla bookmark.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    You're showing yourself to be an idiot (and a suckass idiot, at that) with those remark. No one is defending Muslim extremists. The objection is to you tagging every Muslim-American in the military as a potiential dangerous extremist. It's no different than tagging every black man as a potiential dangerous criminal.

    There's nothing more sad, stupid, brainwashed and delusional than a xenophobic black person.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    I don't tag every Muslim as a terrorist. I have Muslims in my family dumbass but to simply dismiss Muslim extremism in the name of political correctness is at best foolish and at worse dangerous.
  • Plantsmantx · 1 month ago
    You're playing a religious version of the "Appeal to Melanin" bigot game. That's funny. Again, who is dimissing Muslim extremism? Objecting to calls to violate the civil liberties of innocent people isn't "dimissing Muslim extremism". You have the right-wing, racist rhetorical games down pat, young Ruckus.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    Where did I say I wanted to tread on anyone's civil liberties? Before you open your big mouth know what the hell you are talking about. Didn't your parents teach to stay out of grown folks conversation.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    delete.
  • Guns3000 · 1 month ago
    I'm not saying there isn't any Christian fanaticism but it seems like you are trying to dismiss Muslim fanaticism.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    No I am not dismissing it at all.Like I said all you fuckers are crazy and your god is no more better than the other god.That's why I give peace and blessings to pasta.All hail the flying spaghetti monster.That is all
  • Town · 1 month ago
    I think the military should kick out all Fake Americans(tm). Unless you look like a G.I. Joe character, you need not apply!
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    GOP Turning House into a Zoo
    by Jonathan Singer, Sat Nov 07, 2009 at 11:19:11 AM EST

    For those not currently watching C-SPAN, which is recommended watching at present, the Republicans are trying to turn the House of Representatives into a zoo in an effort to impede debate over healthcare reform. At present, they are interrupting every short speech by a group of Democratic women legislators. The Joe Wilsonification of the GOP continues...

    Take a look:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewafPV2brQA
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    what a pathetic display
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    History is being made today in more ways than one:

    Rep. Dingell to preside over House for first time since 1965 Medicare vote. Democrats wavering on the health care bill will have their heart-strings tugged by the man overseeing today's planned vote: Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), the Dean of the House of Representatives and the longest-serving member in history.

    Dingell's late father, also a congressman, introduced the first bill to provide national health insurance in 1933, and his son has continued a tradition started by his father by introducing health care legislation at the beginning of every session of Congress.

    Rep. Dingell last led debate on a vote on April 8, 1965, the day the House passed legislation creating Medicare, according to his office.


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/7/801700/...
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    The dummycrats I mean you Bart Stupak that would restrict abortion unless you are rich should not get any funding for the next election even if they end up voting for it.How dare you inject your superstitious beliefs into something that Americans wants and American business needs.The reason your state has high unemployment and the auto industry is on life support is because of health care not abortion.
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    The house's California Mafia kicked Dingell to the curb and shat on him. Now they want him to bail out their bloated 1990 page health care bill.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Whats the matter, your compadres cant read?I know that 10 page double space farce that the redumblicans produce is more your speed but adults are in charge so please sit down stick your thumb in your mouth and be quiet.Haven't you and your boys done enough damage to my country?
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Maybe I just don't like the way the house democrats treated Mr Dingell. "Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), the Dean of the House of Representatives and the longest-serving member in history" stripped of his committe post and tossed aside by the all powerfull california cabal. Mr Dingal represents the interests of Michigan - my state.

    As to the 1990 page wish list - I doubt if most people in congress have read it, understand it, and will for the most part just vote their party line.

    Meanwhile - the plan is to save money by shaving money from MEDICARE. Since I have paid money into Medicare for about 40 years and am about to retire in a few years, this reduction in money for Medicare is not welcome news.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    BULLSHIT!!! Show me where the bill takes money away from medicare and please dont post the link from AARP because they have endorsed the bill.
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Hmmm, I am a member of the AARP. I don't remember them asking my opinion.
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    So as long as you got yours, to hell with everyone else?
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    Just do a google search for "medicare savings" or some similiar word combination and that will get numerous hits for how medicare spending will be shaved. I have paid into the Medicare Trust Fund for 40 years with the promise that Medicare will be there for me at age 65, not a cut down version.
    Krugman refers to Medicare spending as "excessive" spending. Are you suggesting that old people should not get FULL medical care? Like my mother said when she was 91 and broke a bone in her back "they don't believe I am in pain just because I am old."
    What are you willing to sacrifice so that others can "get theirs"?
  • djchefron · 1 month ago
    Higher taxes.In Denmark the people pays up to 48% of their income in return they get free healthcare,free higher educationpensions so when you get old you can live in dignity and have higher quality of life than we have here.But you right we are americans john wayne is our idol we dont need no stinkin help unless you rich then we will steal from the poor to subsidize their lifestyle.Like I said, as long as I got mine fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
  • mon_dieu_ishmael · 1 month ago
    I endorse higher taxes to pay for the new health care bill. But congress is trying to hide the real cost by trying to pilfer monies from the Medicare Trust Fund. I would also endorse taxes to fund higher education for individuals (but without the bloating of universities (see post about salaries of University presidents))
    Higher taxes - no problem - in fact I have endorsed higher Medicare taxes on this blog.
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    They Got Nothing… Except the Media

    by John Cole

    Why is this not a bigger story:

    Late last night, the Congressional Budget Office released its initial analysis of the health-care reform plan that Republican Minority Leader John Boehner offered as a substitute to the Democratic legislation. CBO begins with the baseline estimate that 17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won’t have health-care insurance in 2010. In 2019, after 10 years of the Republican plan, CBO estimates that …17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won’t have health-care insurance. The Republican alternative will have helped 3 million people secure coverage, which is barely keeping up with population growth. Compare that to the Democratic bill, which covers 36 million more people and cuts the uninsured population to 4 percent.

    But maybe, you say, the Republican bill does a really good job cutting costs. According to CBO, the GOP’s alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit.

    The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan. And amazingly, the Democratic bill has already been through three committees and a merger process. It’s already been shown to interest groups and advocacy organizations and industry stakeholders. It’s already made its compromises with reality. It’s already been through the legislative sausage grinder. And yet it saves more money and covers more people than the blank-slate alternative proposed by John Boehner and the House Republicans. The Democrats, constrained by reality, produced a far better plan than Boehner, who was constrained solely by his political imagination and legislative skill.

    I seriously do not get this country. The subservience to the Republicans by the media at least made sense when they were in the majority and held the Presidency in 2001. But this is 2009, the Republicans have been routed electorally for the past few years, everything the Republican party believed in failed miserably the last eight years and they have been exposed as total frauds, they released a budget with no numbers on April Fools day, they have been whipping up teabaggers and gun nuts into a froth for months and screaming about death panels because they have no ideas or solutions, and when they finally do release their health care “plan,” it totally and completely sucks. It is nothing but fail, fail, fail, from the GOP, they just lost two more seats in the house, they are going through a horrible (yet delicious) civil war, yet according to the media, everything is bad news for Democrats.

    You know what is bad news for Republicans? They used to be able to get elected and be incapable of governing, and as the House elections on Tuesday and the CBO score today show, now they are incapable of getting elected and governing.

    And yet somewhere, Chuck Todd or one of the other Beltway drooling class is typing up their next thought piece explaining how all of this is bad news for Democrats, and David Gregory’s staff is probably getting touch with McCain and Boehner’s Chiefs of staff to see if they are available for Meet the Press on Sunday.

    I can’t tell what is a bigger joke- the Republicans, or our failed media experiment. Three decades of screaming liberal media bias is about the only smart long-term thing republicans have done in my lifetime.

    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29355
  • rikyrah · 1 month ago
    AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD IS UP
  • ch555x · 1 month ago