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And yes, the fault for the split in the party right now lies squarely with her. But as we have seen, she is incapable of putting anything ahead of her own ambition, so the repair work is going to fall on Obama. Sucks, but that's the way it is.
His campaign wouldn't survive if the media were to keep concentrating on his church and on the people they invite to speak who have controversial ideas. It was a no-win situation so Obama had to do what he had to do. You have to understand the political realities here.
-Michele
Plus I'd love to see the faces on those crazy Hillary lovers the second Hillary starts saying positive things about Barack.
Sorry, but if there was ever a time for a little political suck up this would be it.
How he gonna get those hard core Clinton's supporters?
There is NO need for ENEMIES in politics, it is like BUSINESS.
Gee!
The friendlier we are to her and her supporters the less they have to complain about and try to use as leverage to get her the Vice Presidency or a seat on the Supreme Court or whatever position Obama would be stupid to offer her.
You don't have to like them you just have to act like you do.
Besides we'll have plenty of folks in 2010 and 2012 to kick out of office to show how we feel.
Be patient.
Off topic,
I am dying about the parody comparing Hillary Clinton to the woman in Sunset Boulevard...haha!!
I'm thinking it's a bit naive to bitch slap this energizer
bunny before she literally hands over the keys to the crazymobile . . . .
Obama doesn't owe that woman shit! He hasn't done anything wrong. He played by the rules and won. Now he's the one reaching out to HER? He's the one looking to placate her and her crazy fringe supporters. Ugh!
I know the frustration CPL, but you have to look at it in the manner that how Obama REALLY feels about Clinton is not going to be put out there. Can you imagine how that would play?
The guy has proven that (1) he knows how to recognize a fellow Democrat when he sees one, (2) he isn't going to get into an all out tussle with said Democrat (AND the first ever female presidential candidate), (3) he has to keep the peace between he and Clinton somehow if he's going to draw some of her most ardent supporters towards him. And on that last one, I'm not talking about them punk bitches who weren't going to vote for him anyway. I'm talking about the people who have sense and aren't going off the deep end.
I would dearly love for somebody to tell Hillary Clinton to stick it where the sun don't shine, but that won't happen as much as she and her "followers" may deserve it.
Big picture, CPL.
Lou Dobbs is such a pompous blowhard.
You know I agree with you.
You know I do.
You know, if it was up to you and me...well, we know what would happen to Hillpatine.
But, you saw those lunatics on Saturday.
I said it before, and I'll say it again...
He can't give ANY reason for her whining and bitching lunatic fringe to be justified.
YES< he's shown 1000% more respect to her than she has to him.
NO....her racebaiting ass doesn't deserve an ounce of it.
But, you've been hearing her whiners. The woman who played the White Woman Victim DECK is now the victim of SEXISM?
BULLSHIT.
You and I both know it.
Yeah, I cringe listening to him saying it.
But, that's why he's running and we're not. Because, you know what the two of us would say - TO HER FACE.
So, it's best that we're not the candidate...LOL
I mean what is Lou Dobbs problem? I can understand taking a hard stance as an "objective" journalist, but he never has anything good to say about Senator Obama. Other than when he is chastising him, he will then throw in the occasionally, "I have not even gone after this MAN" blah blah blah.
I saw him on Booktv last week and he was a reasonable man, but when he gets on his show he turns into an ASS! ugh!!
Did SBO really say something about him personally??
HOLLAH!
yeah, Obama said something in his stump about Lou stirring up the immigration debate..can't remember the exact wording. Lou went ballistic and demanded an apology. Sometimes I think Obama is having fun needling him.
When Obama says nice and polite things about Hillary, I get a creepy sense of "up is down, left is right, 2 plus 2 equals 3." When I listen to his polite words, I want to scream: "but that's not true!"
I get a similar funny feeling about the attitude that "we're all Democrats", and "all Republicans are bad." Yes, I would be very happy if a Democrat (other than Clinton) wins in November. BUT it doesn't feel quite right the way Obama is so darned NICE about Hillary, and is so quick to attack McCain for all kinds of little things.
I have many disagreements with McCain, and I hope Obama beats him in the fall. Still, it seems like Obama is dumping on McCain a little too often.
My honest opinion is that he's having fun with all of these mofos.
He was the unlikely, Hillary was the inevitable, he worked his game strategically and won!
It's over, let them cry, it's over.
The election is The Apprentice.
When you think of Obama, think Kwame.
When you think of Clinton, think Omarosa.
Kwame tried magnanimity only to have Omarosa straight up sabotage his chances.
Obama has a chance to win it all. He's got a chance to be Randal. Don't make the same mistake Kwame made.
Strive for unity. But DO NOT put Hillary on the ticket!
He's thoughtful so he can take all of this in stride, learn from it and not miss a beat b/c his eyes are on the grand prize.
I realize he has to play nice; I just wish he'd quit talking about it and just handle his business.
No matter how nice he continues to be to Hillary, she will not reciprocate, nor will she lift a finger to help him, and that includes getting her supporters to vote for him.
Alice Huffman, I have hope for, if the majority of Clinton's supporters are reasonable as she portrayed herself to be on Saturday.
It's the bat-shyt crazy ones like Harriet Christian (I can't believe her last name is CHRISTIAN), not to mention the Mountain/Rural folk who wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were Black, that are worrying me, and I think it's a waste of Obama's energy and time to court people who are pretty much telling him to his face to stick it.
I do consider the whole picture, and when I see what Hillary CLinton does and continues to do, it's very difficult to hear the man continue to make these overtures; however, it does place him in the driver's seat when she has absolutely nothing to offer.
Yes.....we can and Yes we will
This is an anti unity blog as far as I am concerned. I do not like it at all.
In response to a Vanity Fair article (he considers it a hit piece) examining his legacy and questioniong his connections and liaisons he said this:
You know he didn't use a single name, cite a single source in all those things he said. It's just slimy. It's part of the national media's attempt to nail Hillary for Obama. It's just the most biased press coverage in history. It's another way of helping Obama. They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her. So then they saw the movie they thought this is a great ad for John McCain-- maybe I better quit the church. It's all politics. It's all about the bias of the media for Obama. Don't think anything about it."
"But I'm telling ya, all it's doing is driving her supporters further and further away-- because they know exactly what it is-- this has been the most rigged press coverage in modern history-- and the guy ought to be ashamed of himself. But he has no shame. It isn't the first dishonest piece he's written about me or her."
Talking about his family roots and how he's distantly related to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, the vice president noted that he had Cheneys on both sides of his family.
"And we don't even live in West Virginia," Cheney quipped.
"You can say those things when you're not running for re-election."
I just came to drop that Bill was blaming Obama for Pfleger. Totally wild....but, par for the course with Bubba.
This proves CPL's point. Obama apologizes about Pfleger(didn't say it, wasn't there, had nothing to do with it, but STILL APOLOGIZED TO HILLPATINE),and Bubba spits in his face. This is why CPL is correct, but Obama is Jackie Robinson and has to deal with this garbage.
"Chuck D, who you voting for?"
" I'm voting for Barack Obama for all the right- SPELL IT WITH A 'W' -(BWA HA HA HA HA) and for all the wrong reasons.
Why?
The right reasons?
He can do the job.
I know the pressure's going to be deep and all of Black America better have our hard hats on Day 2 if he gets up in there.
All the wrong reasons..
Cause he Black..YEAH..."
BWA HA HA HA HA
" Let me tell you. Since the first election,not only has there been a White man that has won. It's been a White Man that has Lost. I just want see some change."
While we welcome all readers here at JJP, I have to ask if you think we're an anti-unity blog, why are you still visiting here?
Especially since you don't like us?
We thank you for your patronage, but if you don't like what we have to say, start your own blog, and I mean that without any snark quotient, either.
All of us may say things that will not sit well with everybody. In a democracy, it's expected that a person has individual chains of thought and we express them here.
I'm sorry you didn't like the post, but I've noticed no one's asked me to rescind it, either. I'm not apologizing for Obama having to damn near walk on water and the MSM is STILL NOT HAPPY WITH HIM.
He tried non-threatening, willing to work with everyone, compromised, and has been almost twisted into a pretzel trying to be everything to everyone. My post was saying he needs to remain himself and do what he has to do.
Where is the non-unity in that? Or in any of the posts? Just because we're not always singing "Kuubaayaa" because we're too busy staying on top of developments and reporting them here?
If you want group-think only, head over to DKos, but be warned if you venture to disagree with them, because what you get here is a walk in the park compared to getting flamed on DKos.
You know from being a Christian that the point of grace is the place where the one receiving it is utterly undeserving.
Barack Obama has every right in the world to hammer her. And if he did, it would destroy his candidacy and his message of transformative politics -- from attacks to respect, from personal to issues.
He has practiced what he preaches. When he says he will find ways to reach out to enemies and find common ground, there is no more immediate illustration of that intent than his outstretched hand to Hillary Clinton.
Who appears to be the loser here? Certainly not Barack.
Be angry, be furious, but also be forgiving, because the goal here is to get this incredible man elected. He is doing all the right things to make that happen.
I think that's some of what drives Hilary's die-hards, along with the "we're feminists and we need a woman president to feel good about ourselves as womyn" crowd.
I just think Obama is sticking to the message: unity, class, grace, rise above the strife.
I think he will find a way to let Hilary know how he really feels. Did you ever see that clip of him walking out to talk to reporters on his Caribbean vacation this spring? Just how he walked down the path let you know that he was Not Amused at being stalked by the press. His first few exchanges were extremely... clear. He said nothing untoward but he vibed "why the hell are you miserable rats bothering my family with your telephoto lenses? You are intruding."
But then he went right into his spiel about how they worshiped on Sunday (it was Easter I think) and relaxed etc. The words sounded easy and casual but in his eyes he was still saying - back the fuck off, I am giving you your sound bite even though you don't deserve it.
I think Obama is a true prince, a Leo, and he will make his displeasure known, but at his own time and in the manner of his choosing. Meanwhile, Hilary is still Senator of a big and powerful state so the President will need her as an ally.
This guy is not where he is because he acts like I would. He is a politician, remember, and a very good one. And we're going to need those diplomatic skills when he's leader of the Free World (if God wills, insha'allah as the Arabs would say)
I know it's all about unity and Barack has to reach out to these mofos but I feel just like you do!
I think you're onto something there. I recall that icy vibe from him in the Virgin Islands.
It seems to me that some people think he's a chump, due to his restraint. Some SD's may be trying to twist his arm to take Hillary as VP in exchange for their vote. They better be careful.
More and more, I'm coming to see that Barack Obama is not one to be trifled with.
Leo's are deeply nurturing and kind, but they'll cut you if you overstep.
When people are unaccountable to any sort of truth -- when their very foundation is lies and distortions, created reality, and the burning desire to "win" at any cost -- they soak up the energy of anything they perceive as attack, and it fuels and energizes them.
And for these people, acting from and telling the truth feels like an attack.
Hillary Clinton is an extreme example of someone like this.
I really don't understand this dynamic. I have seen it happen more than once in my life. It took me a long time to see what it was. I feel that truth has its own power. But. Not in this society, it doesn't. This is what I have learned.
But then Senator Obama has done something different to harness whatever power this system has available related to truth. I have watched him. How he acts .... it doesn't feed the beast the way that direct truth-telling seems to do. I don't understand it and I can't really do it myself, but I see it in action and I have to admit its reality and effectiveness inside the insanity of this society.
(Craig Hickman helped me see this more clearly in another thread.)
I can't stand this thing about him wanting to work with her. I can't stand it. I am horrified by her having any place anywhere near things that will affect my life or the lives of those I love and care about.
I can't stand it. But I am schooling myself on this, telling myself that maybe he knows what he is doing. Pushing on her would feed the beast. Maybe she won't know what to do with where he's coming from. Maybe he knows what he is doing.
I don't understand it, really I don't. But I can't ignore the effectiveness of his approach so far, compared with a more pushing-back kind of thing.
I guess I'll wait and see.
It is not about whether we would have HRC run with us---which I must admit I would not---but about what he would do and what he thinks would be best for this country; what would unite the country and win the general election; and, also, how his presidency can effectuate the changes we so desperately need.
Mitchell