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Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Temple Stark — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:49:00 -0000

I'm glad I found this site.

My pithy comment is that this survey neglects one important question. It does not ask "Do you care what religion Obama / Clinton /McCain is?

Temple

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Michael Davis-Dallas Progress — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:33:00 -0000

Count me out of voting for Billary in the fall. I WILL vote, but just in the other races.

These people have really hurt me. They have agreed to cast off Black people to win. They want all of Barack's new energy voters, but they won't come out in November for Billary.

I still think Barack can win. People forget he is up in NC (112 delegates).

While I don't think they should get a do-over, I think he does better in FL and Michigan that he would've in January.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

BigAssBelle — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:39:00 -0000

In a general election, the media will do a better job at getting the public to know Obama; right now they are influenced way too much by Hillary to do their job properly.

Anonymous, you have lost your mind. The media??? Are you crazy?? The same media that destroyed Kerry will try to destroy Barack Obama or Clinton. It doesn't matter which democratic candidate runs, the media will join forces with corporate power and their ass sucking rethug friends to destroy the candidate.

If you're relying on the media to straighten this out, you are delusional. They will only make it worse.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:01:00 -0000

In a general election, the media will do a better job at getting the public to know Obama; right now they are influenced way too much by Hillary to do their job properly.

As for Hillary not defending Obama from the Muslim smears on 60 minutes, well that just shows you how unworthy of our vote she is. As some have pointed out, she has been to prayer breakfasts with Obama. She could have used that cackle of hers for good for once, and just said something like "oh, it's so silly...I've been to prayer breakfasts with Barack, and he has a strong Christian faith."

There is no doubt that Hillary is indeed a destructive and divisive candidate, who is very bad for the party and the nation. Indeed, I fear that we could not tolerate another 4 years of partisan polarization, like we would have under Hillary.

Obama is clearly the way to go, and I do believe we will win. It will take a lot of hard work and faith, but we can do it!

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

justice58 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:10:00 -0000

"Hillary Clinton is a divisive and destructive force, as is her husband. Their presence inspires strife, separation, disgrace and insecurity".
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Lord Yes! And it is ungodly!

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:09:00 -0000

@ angela,

I'm sorry that you lost your Dad.

Your comment highlights the reality of different experience of America depending on what race you are.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:02:00 -0000

@ anonymous

Hillary Clinton is a divisive and destructive force, as is her husband. Their presence inspires strife, separation, disgrace and insecurity. I am sure, if she steals this nomination unopposed, and if she becomes President(unlikely) - she will bring that destructive, non-productive, stife-filled spirit with her. And, it will become the tone of the entire country.

No amount of political power that can fix what is wrong with her "soul".

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

justice58 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:55:00 -0000

Angela,

I feel you. I too have Native American blood running through my veins. Choctaw! In College, took some History classes & I had a very hard time sitting there, listening to the brutality that happened to my ancestors! It was horrific! And now top that with black oppression that we've suffered too! And they wonder why blacks are angry!

[For starters]---apologize for this horrific trauma that have been inflicked upon America's own people! Acknowledge the wrongness!

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:48:00 -0000

Much has to be said against the politicizing of religion. Isn't that what this furor over Obama's Pastor is really about?

Christianity has injected itself into the business of the state for over 10 years, against the mission of the Constitution. What did we think Gay marriage or the anti-abortion movemement was really about? These are divisive beliefs that do not belong within the narrative of State.

Churches receive tax exempt status by refraining from Political endorsement. If the media does it's job, perhaps it will question the involvement of the church in influencing social policy.

It seems our Obama embodies the spirit of Loki. His mere presence inspires change - whether we want it or not. He drags things into the open where we must face up to them. This is a terrifying but necessary thing.

:)

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:42:00 -0000

It's amazing that Hillary Clinton is getting blamed or is responsible for nearly everything. I can't believe that it's up to her to convince other white folks of something she shouldn't to assist her opponent win the nomination. Sad. Just sad. If Obama wins the nomination, then it's her fault, and if he don't, again, it's her fault.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Angela — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:29:00 -0000

bottom line is this...you keep fighting..you keep on no matter what.

My feelings are raw tonight...

I just went to my dad's funeral....he was an 85 year old Native American who very much experienced racial bias.

I found it very interesting at my dad's funeral that he was honored by a caucasian elderly contingent of men who probably fought my dad every step when my dad tried to earn a way to support his family.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:20:00 -0000

America has a history of killing it's "prophets".

To put things in perspective, America voted for George Bush TWICE! Yet, here they are demanding answers from Barack regarding his Pastor...demanding that he assume the position...demanding that he prostrate himself, prove himself. There is no one in America who dares question George Bush in this way as he acts with impunity.

It is said that nations receive the leaders they deserve. As the economy collapses, as Americans burn their foreclosed homes for the insurance, as Americans line up for charity health care, It remains to be seen whether America has "earned" Obama or Hillary, or McCain.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Shazza Nakim — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:22:00 -0000

1. Does it matter what religion someone is? Last I checked, the only thing that would bar a person from becoming President would be if they were not a naturalized citizen born in the United States.

2. Since when did being of the Islamic Faith make you evil or the enemy? OH YEAH, it was the Media and the Bush Administration that sold American those bag FEAR and lies.

3. If being a Christian President is the norm, and Barak Obama is a "messenger" of CHANGE maybe him NOT being Christian or Jewish is a GOOD thing considering the Issues that this country is under.

4. All these statistic show are the percentage of people who do not READ and or lack the comprehension to want to know the TRUTH about Obama, an inherent prejudice that they are willing to live with and most likely would not vote for Obama anyway.

5. GUESS WHAT .. there is something called the separation of CHURCH AND STATE. For me, anyone Champion their FAITH before the ISSUES and we go right back to what we currently have in Office.

Lastly ... If Obama says he is Christian when asked .. then CASE CLOSED. Then again, the Church he belongs to (TRINITY) is a bit SUSPECT. Since "Perception is Reality" most Christian Americans will say .. that's not the type of Christian Church I recognized. Jews will then see that that Church is friendly to Farrakhan and that too will be an issue. That will and is Obama's problem, no different than how Americans over analyzed the Mormon Church with Romney.

Personally I don't care what his RELIGION IS, as long as he knows how to seperate CHURCH from STATE in his Presidency.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:47:00 -0000

Clip of Harvard Prof talking about the red phone ad on Hardball:

Link to redlasso clip

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:45:00 -0000

It's frustrating to keep hearing that there's not a dimes bit of difference between the two candidates. That's only partly true about health care plans. Obama has stated that their plans are about 95% alike, but not having a mandate (except for children), is not a small difference. Having merit pay for teachers is not a small difference, neither is agreeing to sit with the likes of Chavez, Castro, etc. within the first year of an Obama administration. Not to mention foreign aid and his approach to reducing poverty.

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TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:59:00 -0000

Video of Bill Richardson saying some nice things about Obama:

Video

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:39:00 -0000

Excellent comment anonymous Fri Mar 14, 02:57:00 PM 2008!

My fear has been that there is a message to Senator Obama to show white people how deferential he is.

I agree anonymous....

Hillary to Obama:

"shame on you, Barack Obama!"

Ferraro to Diane Sawyer:

"I'm hurt, absolutely hurt by how they've taken this thing and spun it to imply.." (distress call to white males)

Ferraro to David Axelrod:

"If Barack Obama is the candidate he shouldn't really antagonize people like me because he's going to come to me and ask me to raise money for Barack Obama.."

Clinton Campaign:

He hasn't passed the commander in chief threshold

He hasn't passed the national security test

etc etc..

(She subjects him to tests which he consistently fails according to her benchmarks)

Hillary plays "which one of these things is not like the other" by saying she and McCain are qualified and Obama is not...by suggesting she's a workhorse an he's a showhorse...by saying he was "missing in action" or in other words, a deserter and absentee father.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

magatte — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:30:00 -0000

Obama's church is a standard church. Rev. Wright goes off the
deep end sometimes, but that is not his standard sermon and does not represent the church's beliefs in any way. Also he's not racist. He also said this:

The good news that's coming is for all people! Not white people—all people. Not black people—all people. Not rich people—

all people. Not poor people—all people. I know you'll hate this... not straight people—all people! Not gay people—all people. Not American people—all people. ...God's good news isn't just for Americans, it's for all people. Say "all people"! Jesus came for Iraqis and Afghanis. Jesus was sent for Iranians and Ukrainians. All people! Jesus is God's gift to the brothers in jail and the sisters in jeopardy. All people! The Lord left his royal courts on high to come for all those that you love, yes, but he also came for all those folk that you can't stand. All people!

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Nita — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:27:00 -0000

Considering that I was still hearing that Saddam Hussein financed the terrorists who flew planes into buildings on 9/11 -- from military families no less -- even 2 years ago, this is no surprise to me.

A vote for Hillary is the equivalent of uttering this evilness one's personal self.

@Angela, ooo, that's gonna be good. Too bad I don't have cable. Wonder if Keith is gonna bulldog him to make up for his Special Commentary, though? Oh well, whatever happens, I think Obama can handle it.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Angela — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:02:00 -0000

FYI, I just heard Barack Obama is going to be on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight!

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

TruthSeeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:50:00 -0000

Did you guys hear the Clintons are throwing cocktail parties to woo undecided superdelegates?

Here's a site that tracks superdelegates:

Superdelegate Transparency Project

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Ms.Martin — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:44:00 -0000

Senator Obama's statement on his faith and religion have just been published over at the Huffington Post.

He denounced and rejected the statements of Pastor Wright, spoke on his previous teachings and said that he was angered and pain by the publicized statements.

He did however maintain that he will still attend the church. He spoke about the good the church does for the community

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

mcc — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:40:00 -0000

I just find it fascinating that Fox & co are going directly from the "Obama is a muslim" thing to the "Obama's preacher is an angry leftist" thing without skipping a beat. I wonder at what point the smears are going to combine into one.

For years people have been telling the Democrats that the Democrats need to be more publicly cozy with religion. Okay, well now we have a Democratic presidential nominee who is public and visible about their Christianity for the first time in, what, thirty years? And the only response is we have people working overtime to turn his religion into a liability in the public eye, one way or another.

So let's say "The bulk of folks just don't know about Obama's religion." right now. As long as the media keeps ignoring Obama's religion except to either misrepresent it, or dig through his ex-pastor's old sermons looking for anything controversial-sounding-- is that ever going to change?

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BigAssBelle — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:01:00 -0000

Rhonda, I hope you're right, but I'm afraid this thing with the minister has barely begun.

Maybe 8 years of Karl Rove have left me gunshy, but I don't even have to put on my little tinfoil to see this as the plan all along.

They let him build up momentum, look like he's going to take it, then start rolling this shit out, one video at a time.

The first I saw of this man was watching Jon Stewart this morning ~ last night's show. It was absolutely shocking and it is going to go viral on the internet. Lord, I hope not, but I am so afraid this is it, this is the end because hardly anyone's really aware of it now. It's take months for the Muslim thing to really take hold and now pastor shut the fuck up . . . i am so fucking depressed.

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jon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:15:00 -0000

Excellent analysis, thanks Jack. I guess in a country where for quite a while the majority of people thought that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, it shouldn't be surprising that 20% of those moving from "don't know" get it wrong ... it's still depressing.