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Jack and Jill Politics: Sometimes Our Readers Say It So Well

  • Gregory · 1 year ago
    A-frickin-men!


    Everytime I turn around Hillary is new person. She's a mother scolding Obama, she is this person with "35 years of experience", she's the "agent of change," then she's Scarlet O'Hara. One moment she's gracious and friendly, next moment she is ridiculing, mocking and attacking someone she has "great respect for."



    It's like a game. "Which Hillary will come out today?"
  • liza · 1 year ago
    b-serious fucking slam DUNK IT!
    there's so much i want to quote here, i don't know where to start!
  • freespiritbeautee · 1 year ago
    Please forward this entire post to all the networks. They need to know the double standard!!
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Olbermann on MSNBC sure as hell didn't applaud her for this weekend's performances. He called her out for not only being disingenuous, but also for potentially helping John McCain in the fall.


    You gotta think of the media's acceptance of Clinton's behavior and its willingness to run whatever she says up the flagpole ("You lost 11 in a row... but oh, the new goalpost is now Ohio!") as a desire to stretch this thing out as long as possible. I think the MSM doesn't necessarily care who wins -- either candidate will provide a compelling narrative to them (not the voter, likely) - it cares about ratings.



    The GOP race is over. Very little drama there -- and when some did flare up with the NY Times, the GOP and McCain were successful at pushing back. They put the MSM on their heels for trying to insinuate a sexual affair with no solid proof. No traction there. No traction = no ratings.



    The only way then to keep people tuning into CNN, MSNBC, FOX, and the three major network newscasts then is to keep the Dem race going as long as possible. Remember, you have commentators openly wishing for a brokered convention. That is ratings gold. Wouldn't you watch the whole thing to see if Clinton was able to somehow wrest the nomination from Obama via backroom deals? Of course!



    So, yes, there are double-standards at play here. Obama definitely has to be cautious about becoming the "angry black man." It is a trap and everybody from the Clintons to the head of CNN is praying Obama steps in it. If Obama bared his teeth and got as furious as he likely is when he is alone and thinking about the trickery the Clintons are trying, the media would pounce. They would eat him alive.



    But, trust me, if Clinton loses Texas and/or Ohio and drops out, the media will feast on her remains, too. They won't wait. They will dine the second she concedes. But until then, of course they want to encourage her performances. A policy-laden stump speech? Zzz. Clinton mocking Obama and his supporters for being so stupid to actually hope for a better future? Ratings! Headlines!



    It's all one big, unfortunate game. And we helped start it. But we can also help finish it, too. We need to finish it. Time is running out.
  • justice58 · 1 year ago
    You're right. B-Serious did it!


    A WOW moment indeed!



    More More More....
  • Lolo · 1 year ago
    Oh.my.god. Thank you. Thank you so much for writing that all out because I have been truly grinding my teeth over the whole bitch is the new black and all the rest and ... GAH!!!


    This is so much clearer and less profane than what was in my mind so I'm printing it out and putting right over my desk.
  • The Bag of Health and Politics · 1 year ago
    I entirely agree.


    I think that after New Hampshire Hillary has gotten free pass after free pass from the media. Rudy and Mitt pulled the same stunts and were lambasted for it. Hillary, the behavior's been excused. Heck, they're constantly repeating this phrase, "Don't count the Clintons out." It's truly bizarre.
  • babyming · 1 year ago
    Way to go b-serious!


    I'm sorry to say, this is just the way it is right now... Obama must keep it TOTALLY POSITIVE... if he complains or even argues, that looks like a man beating up on a woman, and HE WILL LOSE.



    Hillary's only hope is for Obama to "go negative". When Obama sticks to the high road, people love him!



    By the way, about Obama and November, remember all the help the Clintons gave John Kerry in 2004? Neither do I. If Obama gets the nomination, and he beats McCain, Hillary may have to wait until 2016. If McCain beats Obama, Hillary has another shot in 2012.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Bless you a million times over for that post. You touched on everthing I have been feeling. And that comment about him writing on his note pad and not looking at her- which is a bunch of bull- was even repeated on Bill Mahr's show of all people. They said he was arrogant. I turned the channel.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    After a week of beginning victmized, will it work?
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Word, word, a thousand times. I so agree that Hill can appear angry (oh, sorry, can work up a Righteous Feminist Rage Against The Patriarchy) and use it to rally her female supporters, but if Barack got visibly upset, his poll numbers would deflate like Bill after his Viagra wears off.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    babyming -- Good point. They know they're not going to win it, so they're tainting Obama for the general election. If Hillary doesn't win, no way is she going to let Obama win if she can help it.
  • DWS · 1 year ago
    OHIO and TEXAS!!!! Shut her down...please.
  • The LOC Man · 1 year ago
    Like dws said, YES, please, Ohio and Texas, please shut SCARLETT O'HARA's a** down . . . Keith Olbermann's media coverage is about the ONLY thing I can stand watching!!!!!
  • Nita · 1 year ago
    Preach, B-serious.
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    Hey rikyrah and everyone else,


    Thanks for showing some love! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one thinking this!



    B-Serious
  • liza · 1 year ago
  • B-Serious · 1 year ago
    Thanks Liza.


    Hey. If anyone else wants to pass this along, feel free to do so.



    Every little bit helps.





    B-Serious



    http://reachblack.blogspot.com/



    http://reachblack.blogspot.com/2008/02/double-standard-facing-barack-obama.html
  • Ms. Ki · 1 year ago
    Excellent B-Serious, you hit every thought that has been in my head. I didn't hear Olberman call Hillary on her antics but Tim Russert from Meet the Press did this morning on The Today Show. Consistency. Who is the real Hillary? She's using the victim mentality. She's also resorted to some old school playground tactics to tease and mock her opponent to embarassment or submission. Its going to backfire like everything else. I said it before and I'll say it again, her little shame on you finger pointing brought back images of the massa's wife chastising the house negro for doing something wrong. How dare he step out of his place. I can't wait to see which Hillary shows up tonight at the debate.
  • Felicia · 1 year ago
    Excellent post, b-serious.


    I third dws and the loc man' comments: Texas and Ohio let's stick a fork in the Clintons cause they're done!
  • NMP · 1 year ago
    When 1 in 3 White women come under criminal justice supervision; or 50% of White women start dropping out of high school; or the unemployment rate of White women rises to 14%; or when the rolls of White women in the Senate drops to one ever few decades; or when the leading cause of death among White women are under 30 becomes; then I might accept the argument that White women have it harder than Black men.
  • L-BO Jengles · 1 year ago
    Hell yeah! I was really disappointed by what Tina Fey said Sat night and, you know what, I saw Barack speak in Cincinnati yesterday and he DIDN'T SAY A WORD about Hillary. NOT ONE WORD. What class. What grace. And yet we're going to REWARD her for THAT kind of behavior?
  • Big Man · 1 year ago
    I've been saying this for months. All black folks are familiar with the tightrope Obama has had to walk.


    http://ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com/2008/02/that-damn-tightrope.html
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    First, I agree with b-serious' analysis word for word.


    But I want to say something about Barack Obama.



    He is arrogant. He has to be, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he's in. A Black man doesn't get this close to the Democratic nomination if he didn't have a huge ego. So far, he has been able to also be charming and that's why his arrogance doesn't come across as overbearing. But no president is free from arrogance. Nor his Hillary Clinton.



    He can't just rise above her attacks in this debate. He has to go after her and he can't hold back because she's a woman. He can't go after her unfairly, of course, but if he's to show the nation that he's the one to lead it, he can't appear soft when attacked no matter his attacker.



    I think he will handle his business tonight just fine. His campaign just told the talking heads that he would be aggressive tonight.



    I expect him to pick apart her "35 years of experience" mantra and make us see what a crock of ish that is. If he can successfully do that, she's burnt toast, because she has nothing else to fall back on.



    I only wish that they weren't seated side-by-side tonight. I want them to stand behind podiums with more than several arm lengths between them.
  • DWS · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the words b-serious. What's so sad about HRC's efforts is that she's so arrogant about it as if she is sure she is going to strike a chord with voters and change the momentum of the race. I hope America proves her wrong and rejects her negative politics.
  • ndn5898 · 1 year ago
    I really don't want to sound racist, but this is the reason why black men need a black wives. He does not need to explain "perceived slights, she already knows and will fight for him. This man looks like he has lost about 5lbs, which is way too much for him. He probably has an ulcer and is up to 2 packs a day.. He continually has to swallow shit.. He can't even attempt to raise his voice or furrow his brows. The country will truly benefit from his presidency, because he is no punk. He is strong beyond compare. I only wish that I could get some of that temperment. Please keep praying for him. Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength.


    There were times when I felt ambivalent about his candidacy, but now I feel a calm peace because I recognize that feeling of being underestimated in the workplace and having to prove to people my competency. Eventually they fall in line and all of a sudden I'm the expert.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    "Pray for his increased wisdom, courage and strength."


    ::



    Say it again.
  • evita · 1 year ago
    b serious- that is serious. the truth always is.


    when th eold heads start saying, if you lose (Obama camps,)will you stay involved. Right now all I think is THIS is why I stayed out. Its a daily insult she wages to black men, black people, people of color, and women...



    This is what happens when you think your address is in a castle...
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Tubbs-Jones is on Hardball right now talking about same-sex marriage, abortion, and other hot-button topics. She only mentioned them in passing, of course.


    She's a trip. Is she showing their hand? If so, I guess we're going to have a debate about about same-sex marriage tonight?



    Tubbs-Jones is a singular disgrace. How on earth has she been elected???
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Great Post b-serious. This double standard is maddening.


    Also, ndn you (well actully everyone who posted here) just helped me deal a situation that recently evolved at work over the last couple of days. It had been eating me up inside and part of me wanted to "go there" but I am going to continue and pray on it. I pray that I can exercise an ounce of the grace, temperment and humility that brother Barack has shown.
  • Rhonda · 1 year ago
    Thanks B-Serious. I just got back from The Root where I was trying to defend Lacewell. As a black female, I cannot relate with Hillary's white female privelege.


    Her tactics during this campaign has been nothing less than ugly.



    As I sit here commenting, I am watching Sean Hannity blast Michelle Obama's statement and college thesis and the Obama's church for being too radical and black. He is saying that the "American people don't know anything about this guy and that's serious". He has Newt Gingrich on. He said that it needs to be brought up!! What non-sense.
  • I am not Star Jones · 1 year ago
    B-Serious...
    you are definitely not alone in knowing the deal with Hillary and Barack...since

    her campaign team and supporters refuse to acknowledge that they are not the best and brightest at campaigning with all their experience...they have to come up with the kind of crap that we've been seeing and will continue to see until March 4th.
  • babyming · 1 year ago
    Sorry, but I must disagree with those who want Obama to fight back... that would add fuel to the fire that Hillary has been making. I know the temptation to fight back is there, but that's exactly what Hillary wants Barack to do. She has a chance if they both are negative. If he stays positive, she has no chance: the one thing she can't fake is being positive. Positives, coolness are her Achilles heel.
  • Francis L. Holland Blog · 1 year ago
    Great discussion! I'm tired of and disappointed with Hillary's act as well.


    I must admit that I do feel sorry for her, because I know how hard she has worked to get herself to this point, in spite of the systemic barriers. But she has cross what for me is a bright line in terms of her treatment of what was actually her most loyal constituency. She's forfeited an indispensable part of her base.



    I hope that she and all American politicians learn a new lesson from this experience. We're doing a noble job when we help them to learn that lesson, even if it's a hard one for her this time around.