Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Speeches

Re: Speeches

Val — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:00:00 -0000

S - come on now! This is not about the Huffington Post. Look at the facts itself. We are talking about what McCain said as far as his support for the Katrina he knew he voted against it. He also said Obama did not contribute substantially in anyway on Iran or Iraq. Lieberman could have helped the brother out. So it isn't about Huffington - instead it is about the man himself.

So don't make excuses like that for him. We aren't stupid. McCain is human and certainly is not perfect. We shouldn't expect him to be. I still like the man. Again, I say the problem is his advisors. They need to let the man run the campaign using his own instincts. Play on his strengths instead of trying to adopt ways that just does not work for him. Look, you can't know everything. You just can't. Which is why you surround yourself with experts in all areas. Now based on their input, McCain can make sound decisions. But they set him up everytime when he goes out there and says something in one venue and forgets what he said about the same subject in another. They are setting him up for failure.

I am so looking forward to this election it is very exciting. I want him to catch his stride. Then may the best man win.

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Val — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:48:00 -0000

D -- STOP IT!!!! ROTFLMAO.
hahahahahaahahahaha

It has been a bad day for McCain but it will get better I am sure. The trouble is McCain's folks are trying to force him into a mold that just does not fit. They need to let McCain be McCain and let the chips fall where it may. He is a good guy but they are stifling him and he comes off as fake. McCain's advisors are doing him a disservice. They need to trust the man's instinct and let him do his thing.

Although you know I still want Obama to win but . . . would prefer a fair fight.

Re: Speeches

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:54:00 -0000

val,

As for Iraq and Iran, Obama's position evolves daily. I am pleased to see that he and McCain are both in favor of divestment in Iran.

Just in time for his important speech before the Jewish Lobby AIPAC, I am glad to see Obama has FINALLY come to the realization that Iran is indeed a 'grave' threat and that Iran's Revolutionary guard is a terrorist organization. Only a few short weeks ago, he was accurately quoted as having different views.

He also seems willing to now "base decisions about withdrawing U.S. combat troops from Iraq on facts on the ground." Good!

I also hope that he will plan a trip to Iraq soon.

Obama is very eager to prove his commitment to Israel, and I hope that both he and McCain will be staunch supporters of Israel.

If honest criticism and skepticism demand that both candidates clarify, strengthen or even change their positions to be more in line with what is best for the country, I am all for it.

Perhaps Obama can be sufficiently criticized and scrutinized into adopting McCain's views on taxes and earmarks as well.

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Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:35:00 -0000

val,

The McCain campaign's response: “It doesn’t bode well for Senator Obama’s pledges to run a campaign of hope and change when on the first day of the general election he’s launching the same tired negative attacks that the American people are so sick and tired of. As Sen. McCain said, he wasn’t familiar with the specific votes the questioner was asking about. Instead he was speaking to his strong support for the Homeland Security Committee’s comprehensive, bipartisan investigation of Hurricane Katrina, which was already fully underway when these other proposals were suggested.”

The Huffington Post is not a credible 'news' source, it is a pro-Obama website and should be recognized as such.

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teacher — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:35:00 -0000

Hellory had the face of death on today when she spoke @ AIPAC. Either she got the email I sent to her website (smirk) or reality sank in that she is going to have to hang it up (& closet it). She "suspended" her campaign today. I think some party elders got with her & mandated her expedient exit...To the left, to the left, everything you own in the box to the left....Yeah, I think she was finally "pushed" out by the leadership. Still, she continues to play games. It's friday-No, it's saturday...And I'm keeping my delegates just incase he gets whacked.

I noticed today that O recites most of his speeches instead of reading them. It seems like the others read theirs. That makes O even more impressive.

Like last nite when the Cryptster was giving his speech, it seemed like he hadn't read it prior to the event, so he kept laughing at things he found amusing or something he found to be "a good one." He was tickling himself.

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nillawaif — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:03:00 -0000

Mr. Turner,
This morning on MSNBC, Harold Ford corrected himself and said that he was praising the purpose of McCain's speech not its delivery or necessarily all of its content.

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D. — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:51:00 -0000

My friends, this has not been a good day.

This has got to be one of the most fucked up opening days of a campaign.

Ever.

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:21:00 -0000

Again for D and S

McCain acknowledged he was not aware that Obama had introduced a bill that called for international divestment from Iran.

Reporter: Are you familiar with his disinvestment bill?

McCain: No, I am not familiar with it at all. I do not know if it passed the senate or had any hearing or anything else. I had, so, literally thousands and thousands pieces of legislation are proposed every year. I know what he did. He voted against the Iranian revolutionary guard being declared a terrorist organization.

The admission could prove damaging for a variety of reasons. For starters, Obama's bill, which passed overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives, is currently being held up in the Senate by Republican Sen. Richard Shelby. More significantly, two McCain surrogates, Sen. Joseph Lieberman and Rep. Eric Cantor, are co-sponsors of Obama's measure despite, on Wednesday, ripping the Illinois Democrat for not having the experience to deal with Iran.

But a more worrisome issue for the McCain campaign may just be that a theme is emerging, both within the media and political circles, that the Arizona Republican has a penchant for playing lose with the facts. Indeed, last week, McCain lost crucial news cycles after he falsely claimed that force levels in Iraq had been drawn down to pre-surge levels and then, instead of admitting he misspoke, said the whole thing was a debate over verb tense. This, in turn, came after the Senator claimed, again falsely, that Iran was training al-Qaeda in Iraq, when in fact the two groups are religious and political adversaries.

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:19:00 -0000

D & S -

Appearing at a press conference in Louisiana on Wednesday, McCain claimed that he had supported "every investigation" into the flawed response to Hurricane Katrina, when, in fact, he had twice voted against creating a commission to inspect the tragedy.

The remark immediately bounced around political circles and websites. After all it was just a few months ago when McCain defended those very votes on the back of his campaign bush, casting them as part of a broader campaign against wasteful spending.

"I'm proud of my support of American citizens regarding the taxpayers," the Senator said in April. "I will not vote for projects and programs and bills that are laden with pork-barrel projects that waste taxpayers' dollars."

The entire episode elicited a scathing rebuttal from the Obama camp.

"Whether he simply wasn't aware of his voting record again or he was intentionally misleading the people of Louisiana, John McCain certainly isn't offering us 'leadership you can believe in,'" wrote aide Hari Sevugan. To which, McCain's aides accused Obama of negative campaigning, saying the Senator wasn't familiar with the specific votes and had always supported Senate investigations, just not commissions.

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:17:00 -0000

D - this one is for you and S.

McCain's Day Marked By False Statements And Gaffes

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:23:00 -0000

D - it is so funny that the media is now picking up McCain's website change. You got it first man. Maybe you should be on McCain's committee to tell him what not to do. lol

McCain Rips Off Obama's Slogan And Logo

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

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D. — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:00:00 -0000

Val,
Those things are happening.

Iraqis are beginning to take not only a personal interest in their own future, but a fiscal one as well.

And as that interest grows, our footprint can be-and is being-reduced.

So what should we reassess? What you want to happen is, in fact, happening.

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Craig Hickman — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:17:00 -0000

I intend to keep the debate focused on substance, where McCain has the advantage.

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Keep telling yourself that.

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rikyrah — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:16:00 -0000

There are no civil words to describe that weasel Harold Ford, who would sell his soul (and almost did) to be one of the players at this political table.

He's not called the Dark Sith for nothing.

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rikyrah — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:14:00 -0000

nmp,

I heard Clyburn last night on Bev Smith's show and those WERE his exact talking points - it is OBAMA'S DECISION.

There was something in Clyburn's ' tone', if you know what I mean, and then I found out that Bubba cussed him out, and now I know what was in his tone.

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:22:00 -0000

Condeleeza Rice - congratulate's Obama on receiving the dem nomination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

"We the people is beginning to mean all of us."

Re: Speeches

Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:12:00 -0000

To a considerable degree, this election seems to be about which of the two candidates is (1) genuinely willing and able to work across party lines and (2) genuinely willing and able to change the tone and nature of the debate. McCain has a huge demonstrated edge on the first point. He is now working to gain an edge on the second by challenging Obama to a series of townhall debates between now and the convention.

Should he, will he accept?

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:54:00 -0000

D --

"And can you honestly say-in the face of the decrease in violence in Iraq, and the meaningful-though small-political gains that are being made there-that the current strategy in Iraq isn't working; that there needs to be yet another reassesment of our efforts there?"

Yes. We can't afford it. Period. Iraq needs to become more accountable for their country financially and otherwise. It is time for our people to begin the process of coming home. We have overstretched out military. We can't fend off any additional crisis elsewhere because we don't have the resources. So Yes, we need to reassess and make some changes.

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metricpenny — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:52:00 -0000

I concur with you that the most important statement of Obama's speech was:

"What you won’t hear from this campaign or this party is the kind of politics that uses religion as a wedge, and patriotism as a bludgeon – that sees our opponents not as competitors to challenge, but enemies to demonize. Because we may call ourselves Democrats and Republicans, but we are Americans first. We are always Americans first."

I haven't seen or heard it addressed anywhere else.

Thanks for highlighting it for us.

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D. — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:05:00 -0000

Val,
What McCain said was that he was fine with a long term presence in Iraq, similar to that which we have in Korea and Europe.

And can you honestly say-in the face of the decrease in violence in Iraq, and the meaningful-though small-political gains that are being made there-that the current strategy in Iraq isn't working; that there needs to be yet another reassesment of our efforts there?

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:46:00 -0000

D - ROTFLMAO. Thanks for the link to the new McCain site man.

All - if you have a minute click on D's link that was posted at 10:12 a.m. today. HAH

And yes, D - the image is familiar. Go Barack 08

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:43:00 -0000

Barack will do what is in his best interest. No matter who tries to pressure him.

We have to give him some credit. Barack will do what he feels like doing and not what a bunch of people throwing tantrums want him to do.

Barack will just keep going and will do his thing.

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NMP — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:34:00 -0000

It's time for black folks to get off of the sidelines now! I know we've been afraid to make any 'noise' for fear that it would scare white voters and some of us may have made a bargain with God if he just let's this happen, we'll keep our mouths shut.:-) But with Bob Johnson and many Black Clinton supporters now trying to cover their own behinds by forcing Senator Clinton on the ticket, it's time for Black folks to start using our congressional voter clout to tell them to back the hell up. In their congressional district, we are the equivalent of the so-called White working class voter.

It's time to place a call to Clyburn and tell him that his talking points should be "it's Obama's decision." Nothing more, nothing less. No more of that "well, I don't know...we have to see" nonsense. We need to get on the phone with ALL CBC members and let them know in no uncertain terms that they better stand down or we will stand up against them in their upcoming elections if they try to force Senator Obama's hand.

It's bad enough that white women are trying to emasculate him and dictate a decision that should be his and his alone like every other White male nominee that has preceded him, but we can NOT and should NOT tolerate this from the CBC!

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Val — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:21:00 -0000

S - I am not going down this road with you again about Obama's record. We did that already weeks ago. Besides, what is the point? We all know that Democrats will vote for Obama and Republicans will vote for McCain. So where are we going with this???

I have said repeatedly that I like McCain. I do. However, I don't think given the current circumstances with our country (i.e. economy, housing crisis, war, etc), that McCain would be the best commander in chief at this time. National security isn’t enough for me to overlook all his other weaknesses. Truthfully, based on his multiple gaffes in the area he professes is his strong point (national security) I am not so sure he is a strong enough candidate based on that issue either.

My question was what has Bush, Cheney, or even McCain offered either individually or collectively over the last 7/8 years with their vast experience outside of 2 wars, negative reviews from other countries, and a recession? I will answer my own question. NOTHING. So . . . do I stay status quo or do I put my lot in with the newbie and become an active participant in the change I want to see? The policies under Bush, Cheney and McCain are not working so I choose the newbie.

We all know that the President whether that is McCain or Obama, will have advisors in all areas of government to help run the country. This includes military leaders who know the intricacies of war and national security issues. What I want from Obama/the President is the ability to be able to weed through all the "noise" for lack of a better term and make sound decisions to help us move this country forward. I believe Obama has the judgment and the temperament to run this country. He doesn't go off half cocked. He is not so stubborn or set in his ways where it is either my way or no way. He actually LISTENS and then makes his decisions. He is inclusive and encourages citizens to get involved no matter your party affiliation. He offers transparency in our government. I like that.

D - McCain clearly said he was fine with 100 years of war. I can't get past the imagery of him singing bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. He also said he will "NEVER" surrender until we "win" the war in Iraq. I believe Iraq is an unwinnable war depending on how you look at it. He is straight stubborn and sees in black and white only with no grey areas. McCain does not understand that if something is simply not working, it might be a good idea to stop, assess where you are, and consider other options. That is not surrender, instead it is common sense. Besides our country is more than just national security. Here at home we have other issues that are kicking our collective as*es.

I like McCain as a person, but he is not the best person for the Presidency.

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Kathy — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:10:00 -0000

@s,

forging a record in the US Senate is not a requirement either.

Why, ask yourself, does Obama require more experience than past presidents? Insufficient, inexperienced? Sounds like your still saying "inadequate" to me.