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"With the news that the challenges to the DNC decisions on Florida and Michigan will be heard by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee (RBC) on May 31st, the next question, of course, is, who is on the committee and who do they support?
Here is the list:
Co-Chairs - no endorsement
Alexis Herman (co-chair, Washington , D.C. )
James Roosevelt, Jr. (co-chair, Massachusetts )
Members - Clinton supporters (13)
Hartina Flournay (DC)
Donald Fowler (SC)
Harold Ickes, Jr. (DC)
Jaime Gonzalez, Jr. (TX)
Alice Huffman (CA)
Ben Johnson (DC)
Elaine Kamarck (MA)
Eric Kleinfeld (DC)
Mona Pasquil (CA)
Mame Reiley (VA)
Garry Shay (CA)
Elizabeth Smith (DC)
Michael Steed (MD)
Members - Obama supporters (8)
Martha Fuller Clark (NH)
Carol Khare Fowler (SC)
Janice Griffin (MD)
Thomas Hynes (IL)
Allan Katz (FL)
Sharon Stroschein (SD)
Sarah Swisher (IA)
Everett Ward (NC)
Members - no known endorsement (7)
Donna Brazille (DC)
Mark Brewer (MI)
Ralph Dawson (NY)
Yvonne Gates ( NV)
Alice Germond (DC) - DNC Secretary
David McDonald (WA)
Jerome Wiley Segovia (VA)
Notes:
Allan Katz of Florida is a member of Obama's national finance committee. It will be interesting what he does, or even if he is allowed to vote on the Florida challenge. The same question would hold for Mark Brewer of Michigan for the Michigan challenge.
Update:
Section 3.4 (P): Voting: A member of the RBC shall not vote on a challenge arising in his or her own state.
But note that Katz can vote on Michigan's challenge, and Brewer can vote on Florida's challenge.
Ralph Dawson is one of the very few New York superdelegates that have not endorsed Clinton.
"Politics up to the Minuteby Mark Halperin | Sunday, May 25, 2008Return to The PageRelease on DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee MeetingDNC Rules & Bylaws Committee to Meet Saturday, May 31st
WASHINGTON - The Democratic National Committee’s Rules & Bylaws Committee will meet on Saturday May 31, 2008 in Washington, DC. The Rules and Bylaws Committee will consider the two challenges that have been filed pursuant to Rule 20.B of the 2008 Delegate Selection Rules and Regulation 3 of the Regulations of the Rules and Bylaws Committee concerning the seating of delegations from Florida and Michigan.
Pursuant to Section 3.4(N) of the Committee’s Regulations, each challenger will be entitled to present an Oral Argument before the RBC prior to Committee consideration for a period of 15 minutes each. A representative from each state party and from each presidential campaign will also have an opportunity to address the committee regarding each of the challenges. Oral arguments from the parties will be heard during the committee’s morning session. Following a lunch break, committee members will consider and debate the challenges.
What: DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee Meeting
When: May 31, 2008 - 9:30 AM
Morning Session: Oral Arguments
Afternoon Session: Consideration and Debate
Where: Marriott Wardman Park Hotel - Salon I"
The Fall of Lebanon
http://www.gloriacenter.org/index.asp?pname=submenus/articles/2008/rubin/5_24.asp
The gathering storm
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020595.php
The Resurrection Table
I have Talk Left in my Google Reader...that place has turned into some kind of Bizarro World. I wonder if they are watching the same race we are.
I am just waiting for someone to slip up and say uppity negro.
I refuse to engage that level of foolishness.
Where did this "Barack is sexist thing" come from? What has he done or said?
Is there sexism in this country? Yes. However, contrary to Mrs. Ferraro et al. racism hasn't just "poof" disappeared. Barack is not lucky. He ran/is running a stronger campaign.
Hillary is losing not because of sexism. She is losing because she ran a terrible campaign. Her team thought they had it in the bag and had no strategy past March. End of story. She blew through millions of dollars, listened to terrible advice from Mark Penn and did not reign in her husband. Some how the candidate that has been speaking in code words and running the most cynical campaign all year is the victim now?
Whatever.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519
"What got scant notice then—but may soon get more scrutiny—is that CORE was the brainchild of ASK Public Strategies, a consulting firm whose senior partner is David Axelrod, now chief strategist for Barack Obama."
It took me awhile to catch on to what youve been saying Since this whole RFK thing broke..
ITS DAY 3 AND SHE STILL HAS YET TO APOLOGIZE TO BARACK...
What makes this worse is that today watching Terry MC..on with George Snuffalufagus, was he sad She hasnt apologized , and has no plans to.
At least one narrative rhe MSM is running with is picking up a little steam...The Dream of a unity ticket, is just that..A dream...
Obama Sebelius 08
Video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XX5WEgqw6pM
This is some bullshit.
Go Meet Them, Senator
Wonder what he's angling for.
And so is this:
A memo to Senator Obama
So are most of the articles in the June 2 issue of Newsweek.
And then there's this:
A Secret Side to the Secret Service
And the cover image of Obama with a part of his head whited out is striking.
Everybody seems to want Obama to go mingle with madness up close and personal in the hills of Appalachia, calling it sound advice, when Obama is poised to win. Big.
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We hereby put a safety shield around Senator Obama.
We hereby protect him and his family from evil and harm with the power of thought and prayer.
That's why you just have to BEAT them. No more questions. . . no more kid gloves. There's nothing left to talk about.
They are going to complain REGARDLESS of what Obama says or does. He gave her cover for this "assassination" crap and her camp comes out on the Sunday talk shows to blame him?????
I saw McCauliff and it was absolutely disgusting. These are NOT decent people. Obama's done enough diplomacy, he needs to end this now.
He's less than 60 delegates away from the 2026 magic number. He can claim victory this week if he gets those super delegates over the next few days.
And yes. . . as someone mentioned, Terry did say that she has no plans to apologize to Obama for what she said.
Hillary hasn't done a damn thing to make anyone believe she cares about unity in the Democratic party.
Obama's been nice long enough. This is starting to turn into a weakness. You have to know when to drop the hammer. . . even if it means playing the "bad guy" for a couple of weeks. He better have something big lined up . . . some massive group endorsement from the supers planned for this week or June 4th. It's beyond rediculous at this point.
END THIS NOW!
Its worth noting,that Juan The Turncoat, on that same show did mention that his sources tell him that Barack does have a considerable amount of SD's lined up.
Im with you b-serious. I say crush her now. At this point all she's doing is fighting the party. This, much like any disease, when it goes unnoticed can only get worse//
Her plan is to get more popular votes by running up the score in Puerto Rico. Then she'll go on a MAJOR media blitz with a "one man/one vote" campaign. She'll do her best to de-legitimize Obama's victory and use such divisive rhetoric to either:
1. Stay in until the convention; or
2. Run as an Independent.
She'd gladly lose a 3-way race to McCain if it means she gets to run again in 4 years instead of 8.
This should not surprise anyone. . . especially not anyone in the Obama camp.
I've been one of a few people who have been screaming this for the past 3 months. It's why I thought it was stupid of Obama to shortchange KY and WV like he did. . . by doing that he opened the door for Hillary to run up her popular vote totals.
We all know that the popular vote doesn't mean squat when it comes to the nomination. We know that this is about delegates.
But most of us are political junkies. There are a lot of people who casually follow this race. And they're the ones that could fall for Hillary's popular vote scheme.
I'll say it again. Obama better have a busload of super delegates ready to end this thing at the snap of his fingers. He can end it now (preferrably) or the day after the last primary (June 4th). But he better end it fast.
P.S. Remember, that 2026 number changes after May 31st depending on what the party decides to do with MI and FL. But Obama can claim victory if he reaches 2026 this week.
End it now!
"Clinton’s RFK Assassination Reference Irks Kennedy Family
May 25th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief
If a lot of members of the Kennedy family had earlier broken with Senator Hillary Clinton in her drive for the 2008 Democratic party nomination, then consider her comments about Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination, how it ties in with her desire to stay in the race and the way they were widely interpreted to now have created a bigger break — and sparked considerable anger.
Not only that, but some of them them think it’s the last hurrah of a “sloppy” campaign.
So says the New York Post in a story quoting unnamed Kennedy family sources. But as anyone who has worked as an editor or reporter on a newspaper knows, stories like these are NOT created by editors or reporters sitting around an inventing quotes. That happens rarely and when it does those journalists get the boot. So this is strong stuff:
Members of the Kennedy family are incensed over Hillary Rodham Clinton’s invoking the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy to explain why she’s staying in the race - and they think it could be the death knell of an increasingly desperate and sloppy campaign.
“That comment may be the last nail in her campaign’s coffin,” a Kennedy relative told The Post. “How can Hillary even use the experience argument when she repeatedly pushes the wrong buttons in her comments?”
An insider added, “I think people really felt that a line was crossed and that her campaign - and even her legitimacy as a politician - ended today.”
Said a second relative, “She no longer has only her husband to blame for the ill-chosen comments coming from her camp.”
That’s about as blunt as you can get. And the word “legitimacy” is particularly ironic: one of Clinton’s arguments she has been making, without using the word, is that rival Democrat Barack Obama’s nomination might not be legitimate if the Florida and Michigan delegations were not seated and its votes counted, a stance her campaign had earlier not taken but took once she needed those votes.
The Post piece notes that while high-profile Clinton supporter Robert F. Kennedy Jr. immediately defended Clinton’s remarks, ” others in the family’s inner circle are fuming”:
One cited “a perceived insensitivity” in her comment, made Friday before a South Dakota newspaper’s editorial board, especially with the 40th anniversary of RFK’s death two weeks away and Sen. Ted Kennedy battling a brain tumor.
“We were all sort of dumbfounded that she would say such a thing,” the insider said.
There was also anger outside the family. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), a Hillary supporter, told Bloomberg News that she said “the dumbest thing you could have possibly said.”
Note the Rangel was giving the press a re-run quote here. He called Clinton’s comment about her white voter support pretty much the same thing.
Once again, I couldnt agree more.
I pray Barack hits 2026 by this Sunday. This probably wont happen, but it will be close.
If it makes any of feel just a little better, Im watching the Libertarian Party Convention, and through 2 votes Bob Barr is leading..
If Gore taught me anything, its that votes count. Even if its just 20,000 or so that go this way vice Mc Cain, I'll take it.
Plus, GEORGIA went for Huckabee. Barr's from Ga, I fully expect Obama to be competive in atleast one of these states...
Ikonegro- No, I think they're viewing the campaign through Hillary-colored glasses. No matter what BO does, he's seen as wrong. Hillary's the victim-
no matter what.
Was it here that someone suggested she's just trying to get him to trip up and say something nasty so she can prove he's wrong for POTUS? I can see that.
Hearts -You're completely right and they try to dismiss Obama supporters of the same thing!
B,
I see that happening too. It's not about getting a Democrat in the WH, it's about getting HER in the WH. I also wouldn't put it pass them to pay women to go to DC and make a stink about MI & FL.The DNC should make ads using the video of her saying those elections didn't matter as well as her saying after the first Super Tuesday, this would all be over. (You know, back when she just knew she'd have it in the bag) I really didn't dislike her before but the way she's run her campaign, I really CAN'T vote for her.omuvc
The more people see it, the worse the situation.
Good grief, I read earlier that the Secret Service increased Barack's security at Wesleyan. Was it because Hillary's dumbass comments?
Montana Preference Primary is
Open
South Dakota Primary is Closed
Craig, right or wrong, your fatigue with obsessing about death resonated deeply with me... i'm tired of thinking of death and i'm tired of the fear that has been generated. I will join you in offering positive thoughts and prayers; something we can all do... I don't post a lot, but read often, and appreciate the balance you so often bring to the discussion.
Hillary should be kicked out of the Democratic Party! Now I fear some psycho may act on this crap!
I hate Hillary!
It's a shame that some people seem to have such a cavlier attitude about this subject.
Ironically, the woman in that clip was actually in the midst of pointing out the damage Hillary's comment made.
But her stupid "Osama/Obama . . . what about both" comment is no better than what Hillary said.
There are no words. . . that makes three public assasination comments in the past 2 weeks. Unreal.