Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Sunday Open Thread

Re: Sunday Open Thread

andyfrombrooklyn — Sun, 25 May 2008 19:23:00 -0000

hillary has no rational plan. she is acting on the emotions of crazed narcissist. she can't see the bigger picture beyond her rage and frustration. if she can't pull herself together, she will succeed in electing mccain. she will go down in history as ralph nader to the tenth power. our campaign hangs in the balance as she plays out her psychodrama.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

andyfrombrooklyn — Sun, 25 May 2008 19:18:00 -0000

clearly obama should apologise to hillary for getting her in trouble. after all when cheney shot the guy in the face, the shot guy apologised for getting cheney in trouble. so hillary's comments were only hypothetical and if the guy who actually got shot could apologise i don't see why obama who hasn't actually been shot yet can't apologise.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 19:07:00 -0000

I watched the Fox News clip.

It's a shame that some people seem to have such a cavlier attitude about this subject.

Ironically, the woman in that clip was actually in the midst of pointing out the damage Hillary's comment made.

But her stupid "Osama/Obama . . . what about both" comment is no better than what Hillary said.

There are no words. . . that makes three public assasination comments in the past 2 weeks. Unreal.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

icebergslim — Sun, 25 May 2008 19:02:00 -0000

This Week With Barack Obama is up. Here.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

justice58 — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:51:00 -0000

I also called Secret Service to report! This is an outrage that someone would say something so evil and so wicked as to wish death upon an innocent person!

Hillary should be kicked out of the Democratic Party! Now I fear some psycho may act on this crap!

I hate Hillary!

Re: Sunday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:49:00 -0000

Anon @3:34 Over on Kos, there are reports of a number of folks having called the SS and emailing the youtube link.

Craig, right or wrong, your fatigue with obsessing about death resonated deeply with me... i'm tired of thinking of death and i'm tired of the fear that has been generated. I will join you in offering positive thoughts and prayers; something we can all do... I don't post a lot, but read often, and appreciate the balance you so often bring to the discussion.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Anonymous — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:34:00 -0000

I truly hope somneone contacts the Secret Service about this commentary from Fox News and reports the individuals who made the statements ASAP.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:31:00 -0000

lexusoakland, I totally understand. I don't know if I'm right or not, but I want to send positive thoughts and prayers. I'm tired of obsessing about death.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:29:00 -0000

Craig, You are probably right. That occurred to me after I posted my comment... I felt overwhelmed.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Felicia — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:18:00 -0000

I just called the Secret Service, and they've gotten a lot of calls about this, so I don't think this "joke" by Ms. Trotta is going to be ignored by them.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Angela — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:15:00 -0000

to Felicia fyi Montana and S. Dakota

Montana Preference Primary is

Open

South Dakota Primary is Closed

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Angela — Sun, 25 May 2008 18:00:00 -0000

I just watched the Fox video....don't they have delayed feed or something...couldn't Fox have censored her?

Good grief, I read earlier that the Secret Service increased Barack's security at Wesleyan. Was it because Hillary's dumbass comments?

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Felicia — Sun, 25 May 2008 17:58:00 -0000

Does anybody know if Montana and S. Dakota are open primaries? Also, are they primary states are caucus states? Markos has some good numbers coming out of MT

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Sun, 25 May 2008 17:57:00 -0000

I don't think that video from Fox should be aired everywhere.

The more people see it, the worse the situation.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sun, 25 May 2008 17:55:00 -0000

As this constitutes a threat against a presidential candidate, it is appropriate to call the Secret Service to report. Number to use is 202.406.8000 and select 0 at the prompt.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

lexusOakland — Sun, 25 May 2008 17:11:00 -0000

Fox News' Liz Trotta made a joke that both Osama and Obama should be killed: http://www.dailykos.com/sto...
I am reeling, and feeling powerless. I don't know what good it will do, but this should be spread everywhere and Fox should be innudated with emails and calls of protest. Phone number is 1-888-369-4762. Email link is: http://www.foxnews.com/cgi-...

I feel nauseous... I haven't called or emailed yet because I can't organize my head around this.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Shazzasharona — Sun, 25 May 2008 16:24:00 -0000

Truth-Ah, I've heard about that. I sure hope so.

Ikonegro- No, I think they're viewing the campaign through Hillary-colored glasses. No matter what BO does, he's seen as wrong. Hillary's the victim-

no matter what.

Was it here that someone suggested she's just trying to get him to trip up and say something nasty so she can prove he's wrong for POTUS? I can see that.

Hearts -You're completely right and they try to dismiss Obama supporters of the same thing!

B,

I see that happening too. It's not about getting a Democrat in the WH, it's about getting HER in the WH. I also wouldn't put it pass them to pay women to go to DC and make a stink about MI & FL.The DNC should make ads using the video of her saying those elections didn't matter as well as her saying after the first Super Tuesday, this would all be over. (You know, back when she just knew she'd have it in the bag) I really didn't dislike her before but the way she's run her campaign, I really CAN'T vote for her.omuvc

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Anonymous — Sun, 25 May 2008 16:19:00 -0000

Does anybody know of any news articles that quote Hillary or her top advisors explicitly stating that the delegates of Michigan and Florida should be seated as is?

Re: Sunday Open Thread

smoothie — Sun, 25 May 2008 16:10:00 -0000

B-Serious,
Once again, I couldnt agree more.

I pray Barack hits 2026 by this Sunday. This probably wont happen, but it will be close.

If it makes any of feel just a little better, Im watching the Libertarian Party Convention, and through 2 votes Bob Barr is leading..

If Gore taught me anything, its that votes count. Even if its just 20,000 or so that go this way vice Mc Cain, I'll take it.

Plus, GEORGIA went for Huckabee. Barr's from Ga, I fully expect Obama to be competive in atleast one of these states...

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Angela — Sun, 25 May 2008 15:47:00 -0000

from themoderatevoice.com

"Clinton’s RFK Assassination Reference Irks Kennedy Family

May 25th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief

If a lot of members of the Kennedy family had earlier broken with Senator Hillary Clinton in her drive for the 2008 Democratic party nomination, then consider her comments about Robert F. Kennedy’s assassination, how it ties in with her desire to stay in the race and the way they were widely interpreted to now have created a bigger break — and sparked considerable anger.

Not only that, but some of them them think it’s the last hurrah of a “sloppy” campaign.

So says the New York Post in a story quoting unnamed Kennedy family sources. But as anyone who has worked as an editor or reporter on a newspaper knows, stories like these are NOT created by editors or reporters sitting around an inventing quotes. That happens rarely and when it does those journalists get the boot. So this is strong stuff:

Members of the Kennedy family are incensed over Hillary Rodham Clinton’s invoking the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy to explain why she’s staying in the race - and they think it could be the death knell of an increasingly desperate and sloppy campaign.

“That comment may be the last nail in her campaign’s coffin,” a Kennedy relative told The Post. “How can Hillary even use the experience argument when she repeatedly pushes the wrong buttons in her comments?”

An insider added, “I think people really felt that a line was crossed and that her campaign - and even her legitimacy as a politician - ended today.”

Said a second relative, “She no longer has only her husband to blame for the ill-chosen comments coming from her camp.”

That’s about as blunt as you can get. And the word “legitimacy” is particularly ironic: one of Clinton’s arguments she has been making, without using the word, is that rival Democrat Barack Obama’s nomination might not be legitimate if the Florida and Michigan delegations were not seated and its votes counted, a stance her campaign had earlier not taken but took once she needed those votes.

The Post piece notes that while high-profile Clinton supporter Robert F. Kennedy Jr. immediately defended Clinton’s remarks, ” others in the family’s inner circle are fuming”:

One cited “a perceived insensitivity” in her comment, made Friday before a South Dakota newspaper’s editorial board, especially with the 40th anniversary of RFK’s death two weeks away and Sen. Ted Kennedy battling a brain tumor.

“We were all sort of dumbfounded that she would say such a thing,” the insider said.

There was also anger outside the family. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), a Hillary supporter, told Bloomberg News that she said “the dumbest thing you could have possibly said.”

Note the Rangel was giving the press a re-run quote here. He called Clinton’s comment about her white voter support pretty much the same thing.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 15:21:00 -0000

And the thing that gets me is that Hillary couldn't be more transparent in her plan of attack.

Her plan is to get more popular votes by running up the score in Puerto Rico. Then she'll go on a MAJOR media blitz with a "one man/one vote" campaign. She'll do her best to de-legitimize Obama's victory and use such divisive rhetoric to either:

1. Stay in until the convention; or

2. Run as an Independent.

She'd gladly lose a 3-way race to McCain if it means she gets to run again in 4 years instead of 8.

This should not surprise anyone. . . especially not anyone in the Obama camp.

I've been one of a few people who have been screaming this for the past 3 months. It's why I thought it was stupid of Obama to shortchange KY and WV like he did. . . by doing that he opened the door for Hillary to run up her popular vote totals.

We all know that the popular vote doesn't mean squat when it comes to the nomination. We know that this is about delegates.

But most of us are political junkies. There are a lot of people who casually follow this race. And they're the ones that could fall for Hillary's popular vote scheme.

I'll say it again. Obama better have a busload of super delegates ready to end this thing at the snap of his fingers. He can end it now (preferrably) or the day after the last primary (June 4th). But he better end it fast.

P.S. Remember, that 2026 number changes after May 31st depending on what the party decides to do with MI and FL. But Obama can claim victory if he reaches 2026 this week.

End it now!

Re: Sunday Open Thread

smoothie — Sun, 25 May 2008 15:18:00 -0000

it was actually chris wallace that Terry was on..He did still say that she has no plans to apologze, and nor should she..

Its worth noting,that Juan The Turncoat, on that same show did mention that his sources tell him that Barack does have a considerable amount of SD's lined up.

Im with you b-serious. I say crush her now. At this point all she's doing is fighting the party. This, much like any disease, when it goes unnoticed can only get worse//

Re: Sunday Open Thread

B-Serious — Sun, 25 May 2008 15:08:00 -0000

heartsandflowers said, "In fact the more you try to reason with them the more steadfast they become in their support."

That's why you just have to BEAT them. No more questions. . . no more kid gloves. There's nothing left to talk about.

They are going to complain REGARDLESS of what Obama says or does. He gave her cover for this "assassination" crap and her camp comes out on the Sunday talk shows to blame him?????

I saw McCauliff and it was absolutely disgusting. These are NOT decent people. Obama's done enough diplomacy, he needs to end this now.

He's less than 60 delegates away from the 2026 magic number. He can claim victory this week if he gets those super delegates over the next few days.

And yes. . . as someone mentioned, Terry did say that she has no plans to apologize to Obama for what she said.

Hillary hasn't done a damn thing to make anyone believe she cares about unity in the Democratic party.

Obama's been nice long enough. This is starting to turn into a weakness. You have to know when to drop the hammer. . . even if it means playing the "bad guy" for a couple of weeks. He better have something big lined up . . . some massive group endorsement from the supers planned for this week or June 4th. It's beyond rediculous at this point.

END THIS NOW!

Re: Sunday Open Thread

heartsandflowers — Sun, 25 May 2008 14:51:00 -0000

Clinton represents secular fanaticism to the nth degree. Clinton is a Messiah to some of her supporters and she reinforces solidarity by pretending to be persecuted. And they eat it up. In fact the more you try to reason with them the more steadfast they become in their support.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Craig Hickman — Sun, 25 May 2008 14:41:00 -0000

So I see Harold Ford, Jr. is offering up advice to Barack Obama?

This is some bullshit.

Go Meet Them, Senator

Wonder what he's angling for.

And so is this:

A memo to Senator Obama

So are most of the articles in the June 2 issue of Newsweek.

And then there's this:

A Secret Side to the Secret Service

And the cover image of Obama with a part of his head whited out is striking.

Everybody seems to want Obama to go mingle with madness up close and personal in the hills of Appalachia, calling it sound advice, when Obama is poised to win. Big.

::

We hereby put a safety shield around Senator Obama.

We hereby protect him and his family from evil and harm with the power of thought and prayer.