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Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Anonymous — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:57:00 -0000

Great article JJP. Now, Ohio and Texas must be a part of history and seal the nomination for the next President.....Barack Obama. We invite all to visit http://www.Blacks4Barack.org for Obama News, Views, Events, Photos, Volunteer Info and More. Keep going strong JJP. We check your site everyday because you always have great info for us all.

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Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

justice58 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:38:00 -0000

Well, the Pentagon tried to cast doubt on Barack's story on an account of military equipment shortages. But the Captain backed the story up.

Barack is on his game!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Ms.Martin — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:02:00 -0000

b-Serious,

I agree with your analysis of CNN and other media organizations. I have been seriously irritated by the their presentation of the race throughout the process and if you think it has been bad so far, just wait.

Now that Obama has been deemed the Democratic frontrunner, he will no doubt will be turned inside out by and on behalf of the Republicans and a slew of folks who don't want him to succeed.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

The Bag of Health and Politics — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:58:00 -0000

Hillary knows it's pretty much over. Let her bow out with grace. The thing to do is not treat her and her supporters they way they treated Barack and his supporters in this election. Don't get me wrong, she has done serious wrong and is going to have to spend years undoing the damage she's done to her reputation. But the important thing is that Obama is going to win the nomination. I want to be able to go down to DC on inauguration day and see Barack Obama sworn in as President and be proud.

Hillary Clinton knows this won't happen without a united Democratic Party. Uniting at the end is much like shaking hands and going out for pizza after a softball game. Hillary graciously took the first steps last night. I commend her, and I am hopeful it'll continue. (At this precise moment, the best thing she could do for her image and for the Democratic Party is fire Mark Penn, who is peddling a lot of these negative stories about Obama).

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

NMP — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:30:00 -0000

Less than 24 hours of appearing to put Party unity first, Clinton just completed an interview with Texas Monthly stating emphatically that she will fight to seat MI and FL delegates! I can not believe how the media falls for her emotionally manipulative bull shit. Oh yeah, and she's already starting the meme that TX doesn't count.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Webb — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:16:00 -0000

Thanks Nichelle, I feel you...

As a matter of fact, I had to re-evaluate my early morning thoughts...After Trump declared that Randall was the winner, he offered him a "King-Queenmaker" role of Rebecca and Randall said (i'm paraphrasing) "The name of the show is 'The Apprentice,' NOT the Apprenti (plural)," to which Donald Trump shrugged his shoulders and the audience booed.

Essentially, Trump destroyed all of the goodwill--"Oh Randall is such a nice guy"--aura that Randall had accumulated over the months of that contest. Trump made Randall look like an ungracious, unsportsmanlike buffoon in a matter of nanonseconds on live televsion.

That's exactly what Hillary wanted(wants) to happen before March 4th. Obama made it impossible for her to do it...with the one exception where he said, "I must admit these have been some good speeches." ...as a supporter, I loved the line.

So the Randall-Rebecca analogy now has more resonance in that sense. Please pardon my reaction though. When you started talking about Randall/Rebecca, I felt like it was a critique of an Obama-Clinton Ticket. I just wanted to be "crystal" clear that I.M.H.O., such a ticket would not be a ticket of co-equals...but a ticket with ONE HNIC.

Thank You Kindly,

Webb

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Nichelle — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:07:00 -0000

While I was at the gym this morning, I pondered The Apprentice--Randall vs. Rebecca--analogy that someone brought up in earlier comments...it simply doesn't apply in this case.

I did point out that, overall, it is unrelated (as far as the details that you pointed out among other things).

I thought of Randall/Rebecca and the Apprentice finale in the context of "Working While Black" if you will - the bar being raised higher, the rules being changed once a qualified (and often overqualified) black candidate fulfills or exceeds expectations.

If the roles were reversed - or if John Edwards were in Barack Obama's current position, I think Hillary Clinton would have felt much more pressure to drop out sooner than later - and not drag it out to the end.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

DWS — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:57:00 -0000

I think Obama did well sticking to the issues and stating the facts. And yes, he has greatly reduced his audible pauses. Now if Hillary would just accept the obvious and chill out we could hear more substance instead of those desperate attempts to distract.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Angela — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:25:00 -0000

Personally, I don't believe Clinton's last statement was so sincere. Her words were John Edwards words and she took a page from something Bill Clinton did in 1992. My husband thought it was another Clinton act. Fact is she knows if done right this stuff plays to a certain audience. Really if you have to keep setting yourself up to look "human" you have to wonder. One of the pundits on CNN opined that she supposedly "found her voice" in NH but that maybe people just don't like it.

Remember Bill Clinton's words to Bob Dole about his campaign "you do whatever it takes."

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

rikyrah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:00:00 -0000

TM,

Thanks for that post, and once again, I have to say generally, thank goodness for the Afrosphere. Not just for JJP, but for so many other places getting the story out.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

The Breaking Point — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:52:00 -0000

I lurk from time to time but wanted to weigh in about last night's debate.

I thought Obama did what he needed to do, which was hold serve. Clinton was stronger than she has been in previous debates but I don't believe she did well enough to shift the momentum in her favour.

I appreciated the discussion Obama and Clinton had about their health care plans. It was thorough enough for people to make up their minds about which plan they can get behind. I think Obama scored points with regard to immigration, with Clinton handling the Cuba/Castro question nicely.

I couldn't help but notice how they both talked around the question about whether America should be a biligual country.

Much is being made of her last statement, which some are interpreting as a concession of defeat. I'm not sure what she had in mind when she said, in so many words, it's whatever, but her spokesman's spin --that she sewed up the nomination-- is ridiculous.

I think Obama will win Texas by a narrow margin.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Thought Merchant — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:30:00 -0000

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Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

rikyrah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:01:00 -0000

Interesting post about Obama, Polls, and the Black community.

Analysis of Obama's performance vs. polls [Part 1 of 3: Black voters

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

justice58 — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:34:00 -0000

Go Rikyrah!

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

rikyrah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:29:00 -0000

And about the Politico story, he's changed the title of the story. ...from ' terrorists' to ' radicals'...I wonder could it be because folks like me called him on his use of that language.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

rikyrah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:42:00 -0000

Oh, and about that story in Politico...folks need to make up their mind.....is Obama too liberal or not liberal enough? Make up your mind, cause you can't have it both ways.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

JamieG — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:23:00 -0000

I support Obama but we to recognize the eloquence of Clinton's last statement. You may dismiss it as plagiarism but it is sure to appeal to woman. I don't know if it will cut into his momentum but it made her look human and connected to the people.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:07:00 -0000

http://candidblogger.blogsp...

complete look at hilliary plagerism, including from last night (using bill and john edward's phrases)

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Webb — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:06:00 -0000

While I was at the gym this morning, I pondered The Apprentice--Randall vs. Rebecca--analogy that someone brought up in earlier comments...it simply doesn't apply in this case.

First, the President of the United States will not "report" to Donald Trump. The President of the United States has only two bosses:

1. The American People

2. The Almighty G_d Himself

Secondly, Trump was trying to hire Randall and Rebecca as co-equals. Make no mistake about it: With an Obama-Clinton Ticket, Barack Obama would be THE H.N.I.C., Commander-in-Chief, Leader of the Free World...Hillary would have to become a true *O* disciple...I think that she can do it...I know that *O* has the transformative power to bring them into the fold...

And if she were to become treacherous, back-biting as a VP, we should remember that the President can "Fire" the VP at will...If I were *O*, I would value the Clintons advise and counsel...even though I know that he can accomplish this mission without them.

The Clintons need a path to redemption...In spite of all their fear tactics, Bill Clinton has raised billions of $$$ to fight HIV in Africa...I am a Christian. I'll forgive them...once Barack is the nominee.

...time 2 get ready 4 work.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Ms. Ki — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:47:00 -0000

I agree with what others have said this last night and this morning. Obama clearly rose above the name calling, nit picking, and silliness that has plagued the primaries. At first I thought Hillary's final statement was attempt at gaining sympathy votes like she did with NH, now after reviewing it, the tone was one of finality. I think she knows she's out of this race. The American people have made a decision and if she fights for anything other than the decision they have made, she will be grouped with Rove and his band of outlaws. Obama looked, acted, and filled the role of commander and chief last night.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:43:00 -0000

A morning funny bsed on last night's debate:
Hillary Clinton borrows a few lines

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Ronnie B — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:42:00 -0000

I concur with b-serious and others; Hillary's final comments sure sounded like a concession speech.

But -- but -- there's a small part of me that's wondering if she was gifted that line by John Edwards? A way of hinting that Edwards has decided to endorse her.

Just a thought.

All in all, Barack handled his business. What's more, the strategy of getting him into the debate ring seems to have backfired. Barack is finding his debate stride, and appears that he's unable to be stopped.

I'm even thinking that the guy from Univision (Jorge Ramos) came away a bit impressed by Barack.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:10:00 -0000

He totally outclassed that smug shrew with her catty nips. She showed that she really isn't qualified for any office, other than the bad joke/quip one. LOVED it when she was booed, it should have told her the country does not need another nasty, negative Republican, even one who claims to be a Democrat in the WH.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

Phoebe — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:19:00 -0000

My favorite part of the debate was when H herself brought up the Texas surrogate dude freezing up on Matthews. Then I knew O was going to clobber her with his record of accomplishments, and he did. I was actually hoping someone would bring that up and give him the chance, but I didn't know she would have the gall to do it herself - as though he would just concede that he's done nothing!

That was my favorite. This is done with.

Re: Texas Debate Open Thread

rikyrah — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:09:00 -0000

The more I read that story, the madder I became.

Change their names to Leroy and Monique, make them Black Panthers...what's the story then?

Oh yeah, there would be NO story, because their Black asses WOULD STILL BE IN JAIL.

Don't even get me started.

Do that mess, unapologetic, gainfully employed, not hurting for housing, food, legitimacy or friendship....

I know..why bring race into it..

cause dammit, you and I know that if they'd been BLACK, they'd be scrubbing floors somewhere, AFTER serious jailtime.