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  ayersteach

  1 year ago

  They haven't met but have talked. I would have LOVED to have been a FISA bug on that phone call between the two!
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  CPL

  1 year ago

  LOL! Me,too!
  
  But I hope the Big Dog goes back to taking his meds; he's going off and that's not a good look for an ex-POTUS.
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  blksista

  1 year ago

  I have never seen a bunch of piss-poor losers in all my life. Candidates bow out gracefully when they see the handwriting on the wall; Billary had to be hand-held all the way to the finish line. Most former candidates support the nominee of the party vociferously, despite their reservations, jealousies and rivalries not withstanding.
  
  I subscribe to Vanity Fair, so I've read this article several times, as the media were throwing away their Clinton exposes on line and in print when Obama claimed victory. (Yes, that article was planned 'just in case.') If it is true that Big Dog has undergone a behavioral change since his heart surgeries--and I do believe that he has-- it seems to have heightened his already overweening petulance and sense of entitlement. The presidency, evidently, is not the property of the Clintons. Evidently, they forgot that.
  
  I remember seeing this video about both Clintons visiting a Seven Eleven or some such convenience store as a photo-op. Bill, diverted, continued to hold court elsewhere in the store, while Hill, seeing that he's gone off script, is waiting at the front counter, open-mouthed at what the hell is going on.
  
  Bill is a loose cannon; he can't be counted on to do the tasteful, responsible, ethical thing and support the party. Neither can Hill, because she has been taking her cues from him. I doubt whether it's all about the Clinton legacy, per se. It's really about the fact that this black man beat them against all the odds. He can bitch and moan to the UK press and to Charlie Rose, and then affix a grin on his face talking to Obama all he wants. We know who he is now. A lot of people know who Billary are now. And it's not a pretty sight.
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  Webb

  1 year ago

  LoL...I'm getting ready to say what no one else has been willing to say:
  
  Bill Clinton is a diva. A bigger diva than any diva to ever sang at the Metropolitan Opera. Bigger than Hillary. Bigger than Whitney. Bigger than Jennifer Holiday in Dreamgirls. He's acting like a "woman scorned." Shyt Billy, get over yourself...
  
  When writers say that Billy risks "damaging his rep," I'm like, "Fool, the damage is done. Going to Mandela's Birthday Party doesn't make you black 'again.'"
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  blksista

  1 year ago

  I cosign on the diva analogy and the going to Mandela's 90th birthday party appearance putting him on the black side again.
  
  Another interesting part of that VF was that plaque and other particles from his heart surgery may have found their way into his brain. One doesn't need all that mess to be a diva. One naturally is, or isn't.
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  CPL

  1 year ago

  Pleeease, no, he didn't think eating birthday cake with Nelson Mandela would honestly earn him back his Honorary Negro Card?!!
  
  Who does he think we are, Stepin Fetchit?
  
  Diana Ross was a DIVA.
  
  Mariah Carey is a DIVA
  
  Whitney Houston is a DIVA.
  
  Bill Clinton....IS A DIVA. I have to admit that.
  
  And he needs to get off the stage. Now, what was that I posted about whether Obama needs the Clintons or not?
  
  I say NOT...especially since Hillary appears to not be able to control Wild Bill, and she doesn't really seem to enthused about controlling him, either. Plus, if Bill is going around saying "I support Obama, but I don't believe he can win" what the hell kind of support is THAT?
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  Admiral_Komack

  1 year ago

  Bill Clinton is not a diva.
  
  Bill Clinton is an asshole.
  
  Off his meds, my ass.
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  Kat

  1 year ago

  Am I the only one hoping that Bill doesn't get over it and doesn't campaign for Obama? I can only imagine the "gaffes" that he'll make that Obama will have to deal with....
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  Town

  1 year ago

  You're not the only one. How good was Bill's help to Hillary, after all?
  
  I believe and will continue to believe that it was BILL and his acolytes driving all this race baiting stuff and not Hillary. Understand, Hillary is responsible too, she did and said some foul stuff and sat back while Geriatric Ferraro & Co. had their say.
  
  But, I also think that Hillary would had sat down back in March, April, early May but BILL was pushing her to the finish line. It was BILL's cronies like Carville and Lanny Davis and Paul Begala getting up on CNN saying stuff. I just feel like Hillary was (willingly) used by Bill, Geriatric and that whole crew.
  
  Sure, Hillary is bitter about losing, who wouldn't be? But I don't sense the level of pure bitterness spewing out of her like I do Bill Clinton. Bill's taking it harder than Hillary. BILL has been spewing the race card since early January. Hillary made some missteps but Bill made it worse.
  
  Understand, I hold Hillary ultimately responsible for the race baiting because it was her campaign and her name on the line. She could have stopped it right from jump but she didn't. She's got to live with that. But, I don't sense the racebaiting and dogwhistling being deeply personal with her like it was with Bill. I think she was just doing whatever to get that nomination.
  
  I think Bill was/is deeply offended this black man had the NERVE to come and "steal his show" [/Father Pfleger].
  
  I would put Hillary to work, I would put Chelsea to work. I think they would more than deliver for Obama, just to redeem themselves. Bill? No way, he f*cked it all up for Hillary, he wouldn't be getting near me.
  
  I just can't imagine that if a white male candidate had beaten Hillary for the nomination, that Bill Clinton would be going around saying the nominee needs to "kiss his ass."
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  CPL

  1 year ago

  Starting with "I support Obama, but I don't think he can win" comments.
  
  Stop right there; Obama doesn't need that kind of help coming from Bill Clinton.
  
  I stand by my comment that Obama doesn't need the Clintons; maybe Hillary in limited fashion, but certainly not BILL.
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  Shazza

  1 year ago

  And the word was that he gave Oprah the cold shoulder at Mandela's party.
  The Clintons were pissed with her for supporting Obama. Yeah, this campaign really exposed them. And after all that was said, I wouldn't believe in Bill would say on the campaign for BO. Remember that tepid 'endorsement'
  put out by a publicist? I think Bill has overstayed his welcome.
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  CPL

  1 year ago

  I think if we went to the dictionary and looked up the word "petty", Bill Clinton's picture would be right next to it at this point.
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  purplehawk

  1 year ago

  I can't get fired up about the Clintons in any capacity in Barack's campaign. He is so much better than anything they've ever come up with. Bill is so far outside the pale of what one can reasonably expect from a former president and Democrat that I have a lot of trouble imagining why the Obama campaign would want him!
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  dnA

  1 year ago

  It's not like I'd put it past him, but given that this is a second hand story told by an anonymous source, I'm doubtful of its veracity. It's not that I think Bill wouldn't say it, it's that I don't think there's very much evidence that he did say it beyond the fact that we could imagine him saying it.
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  Anderkoo

  1 year ago

  On the flip side, am curious for y'all's opinion on this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/us/politics/0... -- politicians facing heat (and electoral opponents) for supporting Hillary. I'm glad the article digs in deeper as to the local dynamics, which isn't just about the Obama-Clinton contest, but rather a perception of generational change and, in NY at least, resentment toward the Harlem-based black establishment.
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  P-niiice

  1 year ago

  I won't be supporting anyone BUT John Lewis here in Georgia. He's done a great job.
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  Webb

  1 year ago

  Pniice, you've got to be kidding me.
  
  For all of the the Back-stabbing CBC traitors, the Timbaland song goes like this, "It's too late to apologize___...Yeah___ uh__ uh__Yeah, it's too late to apologize."
  
  Some (maybe most of them) will win re-election in 2008. However, 2010 will be another story. All the $$$ that's been pouring into Obama's war chest has got to go somewhere...can you say, a "generational tsunami" is coming to the Congress soon.
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  P-niiice

  1 year ago

  Perhaps, but I think that for all John Lewis has done for blacks in Georgia, we'll continue to support him. At least he didn't go on record trashing Obama the way Andrew Young did.
  
  Either way, it's democracy in action, and if my fellow voters aren't feeling Lewis anymore, so be it. I have complete respect for John Lewis amd all he's done.
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  GreenLadyHere

  1 year ago

  Good article! THANKS for sharing. For ALL Y'ALL [yes, I said it this way :>)] politicians who thought that you were goin' from the "FIELD" to the "HOUSE" with billary, I'm NOT FEELIN' your pain now! Once you saw that Mr. Obama was comin' on "STRONG TO THE HOOP", you should and could have toned down your billary support! You should/could have read his books! You should/could have hooked into his website! You should/could have even called his campaign to ask some questions! BUT, NO. You played "Old School Politics" - hoping you could kinda wish billary into the "HOUSE". Even when you saw Mr. Obama's strategies, you didn't stop to THINK--
  I think I'll leave this unfinished!
  NOW, your support of Mr. Obama has been mildly mouthed, but your passion is NOT there! Why don't you take on a project of going after the NABRs? See if you have any strategy left! I'm through! L8R
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  Kathy

  1 year ago

  New York Magazine's "The Fall and Rise of Hillary Clinton" states: "It would be hard to overstate the private pessimism that Hillary and Bill Clinton feel about Obama's general-election prospects." ~June 23, 2008
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  PTCruiser

  1 year ago

  John Lewis has earned a pass several times over. Anybody who calls Lewis a traitor or anything close to that term is simply displaying a degree of ignorance that disqualifies them from the discussion. We can have principled disagreements with people like John Lewis.
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