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Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

eplummer — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:24:00 -0000

To me Buchanan seems to be the reincarnation of King Leopold. More seriously, his worlds, remind a great deal of Victorian apologies for colonialsim.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

SquarePeg — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:34:00 -0000

Multiculturalsim and political correctness, combined with a liberal, virulent anti-American sentiment seek to minimize the great freedom, opportunity, and success we as Americans enjoy.
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TRANSLATION:

You people of color (who are not white) how dare you question us true Americans who have allowed you the priviledge of living and working your asses off in this country for no money, fight in its wars only to come home to the back of the bus, segregate you in substandard hell holes, not allow you to receive an adequate education, suffer a stacked criminal justice system, and you dare question to lives we have afforded you! What are you complaining about. I mean we did quit lynching you didn't we?

This is the American way. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for us real Americans!

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Mrs. M. — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:29:00 -0000

Consider the source. He is a descendant of slave owners. For those of you who have lived in the rural South (Charleston, Raleigh, Cary and places like that don't count), these kind of people still reside and are no more happy to have Black people walking around then they were back then.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

SquarePeg — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:18:00 -0000

Anon,

With all that edumacation and I meant edumacation, why oh why my friend is it so hard for this country to acknowlege by apologizing and erecting centers of "enlightenment" about the evils and horrors of slavery?

I means, after all that edumacation that Patty Boy has received, it obviously has not gotten through to him.

Que Sera, Que Sera for all you people who were looking for any excuse to vote against Obama, and blog on this page hoping to influence these weak-mined simpleton.

My friend, it hasn't worked and want as you make your daily report on how those negroes are just not listening to you.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Ronnie B — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:35:00 -0000

If we know that statement to be BS, is it worthy of argument?

D~

srpeter and Craig Hickman said it better than I could.

The kind of racism that Buchanan harbors does not warrant a "two-sides" argument. It's sad and disturbing that in order to be a Republican, one must accept that racism has a "side" worthy of argument.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Craig Hickman — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:50:00 -0000

d.,

You never cease to amaze.

A part of me can't believe you are who you say you are when you defend the content of Pat Buchanan's diatribe as an "it's not so much what you say, it's how you say it" conundrum.

Didn't Barack Obama say that Blacks can not continue to use the history of oppression in this nation as an excuse to remain victims to it? Didn't he also say that we must take personal responsibility to improve our lives? Didn't he also present racial relations through the eyes of white people who have legitimate resentment?

Of course he did.

His patriotic agenda didn't include some heinous attack on white people for harming Black people or Hispanic people or Native Americans.

Imagine that.

But Buchanan, who belongs to a white ethnic group that Obama spoke of, didn't hear any of that nuance because he couldn't stand that Obama was taking a damaging situation and turning it into an advantage right in front of Buchanan's eyes.

Obama couldn't have hurt him more had he sprayed mace in his face. Had he stuck needles under his fingernails.

So Buchanan is on a mission of vengeance against a man who scares the shit out of him.

If Obama doesn't lose Pennsylvania by more than 20 points, then Buchanan, and the rest of those in denial about what's really happening in this election, including every single Clinton supporter on the planet, will have failed.

Miserably.

Clinton can win Pennsylvania without spending another penny campaigning there. Without making another single appearance: rally, town hall, debate or otherwise. She's got the entire political machine in her corner. A machine led by a governor who's on MSNBC as I write lying through his teeth that endorsements don't matter after Richardson's support of Obama, called up every single major mayor in Pennslyvania and urged them to publicly endorse Clinton because he knows full well that political endorsements matter. That "underlings" are expected to step in line and follow their bosses' leads.

And yet, her Republican detractors and McCain hopefuls, including you, know they can have their way with her in November and so they continue to do whatever they can to deliver her a bigger victory, hoping, ironically, in a way that Obama has preached, that her miraculous resurrection will happen (James McCarville calling the Mexican-American governor Judas was no coincidence) and Hillary will find a way convince her party's "leaders" to overturn the will of the people (the electoral map argument is her latest debacle) and give her the nomination.

A sit com as Chris Matthews called it. A farce I call it.

Make no mistake, if Obama survives all of this and gets the nomination, then he will emerge as a gutsier fighter and more resilient candidate that Hillary can ever claim.

There will be exactly one way to stop him from being elected President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of the nation's military, and one way only.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

srpeter — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:10:00 -0000

D, it is up for debate because Pat isn't the only person that believes that.

Just because we can seen the hypocrisy in the statement doesn't mean everyone else does.

But the truth is Pat doesn't want to debate. He is entrenched in his beliefs and doesn't want to hear what black ppl have to say.

Thats why he thought it was ok to tell Kelli to shut up on MSNBC. He doesn't respect black people so he would never truly be open for a debate about this issue.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

D. — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:00:00 -0000

If we know that statement to be BS, is it worthy of argument?

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Ronnie B — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:51:00 -0000

If you look past the BS-which there is a lot of!-the question isn't if black people are better off in America or not; it becomes a question of when we're going to have a real, honest discussion on race in this country ("straight talk," if you will) and what that discussion will entail.

Not so fast, chief. Buchanan DID suggest that Black people are better off in America. Therefore, that statement IS in question.

Unless, of course, you've concluded that it's a fact not worthy of argument ...

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Acanthus — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:29:00 -0000

:Buchanan's point is that if you're going to have a full discussion on race in America, then you have to not only talk about the harm that's been done on both sides, but the good"

I don't agree. It's not just a matter of phrasing, and he wasn't trying to point out the good- because he doesn't think any of the examples he gave WERE good. He thinks of them only as part of an effort to appease, and as such, he thinks they're bad.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

D. — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:25:00 -0000

Srpeter,
That's why I said cover both sides. There's good on both sides, and you don't have to go all the way back to slavery to find it.

If you look past the BS-which there is a lot of!-the question isn't if black people are better off in America or not; it becomes a question of when we're going to have a real, honest discussion on race in this country ("straight talk," if you will) and what that discussion will entail.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Texas Girl in L.A. — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:20:00 -0000

Thanks Truthseeker for that link. I didn't know all that happened during that interview. Chris really stepped up. I was amazed! Pat was really pushing the question..."Did he call you on your vacation?"

However, Fox News is claiming that Kilmeade's walk off was a joke. Please see the Huffington Post of details.

This has got to stop.....no really...it does.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:14:00 -0000

I'm tempted to demand whites be grateful to blacks, honestly. I mean, how does a group of people gain privilege and status not just nationwide but worldwide through the brutal enslavement and oppression of another and then just shrug it off and say "Let's act like that never happened.", and the newly-freed people are just cool with it? (Cool enough to stay in the country and contribute even more, at least)

That's miraculous for white America, from where I sit. And WE should be grateful? It was on our backs that their riches would come! It was from our blood that their country was made! And we are to be grateful?! Sheer idiocy.

The benefits Buchanan says we should be grateful for are there because of the gross and detrimental inequality between people, much of which is deeply tinged with race. It's historically inaccurate at best to say these things we enjoy are merely unearned or unnecessary GIFTS handed to us poor stupid Negros. Pat Buchanan is smart, but the man is far from wise.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

srpeter — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:10:00 -0000

My issue with this argument is: don't call for a two way street discussing race when you choose to leave out the good AA have done in this country. You talk about the 'trillions' spent on welfare and social programs, but you don't discuss the 'trillions' of free slave labor this country used to become an international player.

Oh but we don't want to discuss that because that was SOO long ago. Which is a crock anyway, on the scale of who's people have been slaves most recently scale.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:01:00 -0000

Thanks for the quote from Peck Anon 7:46. John King told Roland Martin CNN couldn't find the quote friday night.

Did any one happen to catch Hot Topics on The View today? The subject was Reverend Wright and Obama's typical "white person" remark (which of course has been taken out of context by the media). Typical Blonde Elizabeth Haselback rejected the definition of a racist provided by Joy Beher and said she wanted and I'm quoting "The Rules on Racism".

Elizabeth is one of the reasons I stopped watching The View. Only watched today because I get a heads up from my Mom.

So, what are "The Rules of Racism"?

If anyone has video of Trinity Church's 6:30 AM service which aired on TVOne yesterday, the part about Katrina and New Orleans is worth posting.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

JJ — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:00 -0000

Sigh. D. I don't think there's anything a white racist could say that you wouldn't find the "good" in.

I love this race (thought it needs to be over) because folk can't hide their true natures: Repub or Liberal.

It's great.

Oh just wait until they have to say President Obama...

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

TruthSeeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:54:00 -0000

You guys have to watch this YouTube clip. Chris Matthews tells off Mika and Pat Buchanan while interviewing Bill Richardson.

Wow! Things they are a changing!

Link

I'm so proud of Chris! Bill had to sit there and answer these disrespectful, embarrassing questions from these nobody reporters. Whatever happened to protocol and respect? They wouldn't dare question idiot Bush Jr this way. You've got to watch this!

First Fox, then CNN, now MSNBC...the media is taking notice.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Ronnie B — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:49:00 -0000

D sez:

I just don't want to see the point, which is more than valid, get dropped because he can't communicate it without pissing people off.

That's just it, D. How can anyone suggest to me that I'm better off in America than I am in, say, Fiji?

This is precisely my point about Buchanan's racism--not his bigotry or his stupidity or his running off at the mouth--his racism. He's a firm believer that unless Black people live in America, and assimilate to white superiority, that they are somehow worse off elsewhere.

Now, there were plenty of artful ways that Buchanan could have tried to say what he meant, but it wouldn't have mattered. We know what he means.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:36:00 -0000

As the citizens in Germany have come to grips with their racist past by implementing all types of safeguards to prevent it from happening again and passing legislation in order to TEACH their citizens via commemorations, museums, etc. about not repeating this history, White Americans cannot/will not confront the evil history of this country.

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squarepeg,

I don't know how old you are but I can tell you that in my lifetime to present, white Americans have been taught about the past sins of this country! Elementary schools to college campuses all across this country have history lessons giving voice to all of the victims of white oppression.

To top it all off, we also have to listen to all manner of insane conspiracy theories and hate speech spewed by Wright that has obviously have taken a foothold in the black community at-large. We must tolerate it, understand and give it a least half a pass, because of all the evil whites have done!

Multiculturalsim and political correctness, combined with a liberal, virulent anti-American sentiment seek to minimize the great freedom, opportunity, and success we as Americans enjoy.

Not so long ago, many on this blog were hopeful about the possibility transcending race in politics. But Obama and his pastor, their apologists and supporters have succeeded in bringing us all down to our lowest common denominator. The 'bloom is off the rose.'

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:26:00 -0000

By that logic - the Irish famine (1 million dead) was a a good thing because it encouraged the Irish to come to America where they flourished.

- KXB

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

D. — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:50:00 -0000

Nita,
I don't disagree. I just don't want to see the point, which is more than valid, get dropped because he can't communicate it without pissing people off.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Ronnie B — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:20:00 -0000

I don't like to use the term too loosely. That said, Buchanan is beyond bigoted. He's a racist, IMO.

Buchanan appears to be one of those people who expects non-white peoples to genuflect to white righteousness (to the extent it exists). Listen to him talk; not on MSM TV outlets, but with like-minded conservatives like Michael Savage. He prefers an America where the White male is still seen as the head of the table. Where white people are seen as the true Americans, and where non-white peoples aspire to assimilate (and acquiesce) to that cultural structure.

Make no mistake about it; Buchanan isn't Archie Bunker. He's the worst kind of advocate of a softened form of white supremacy.

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

SquarePeg — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:29:00 -0000

Most whites tend to overlook intentionally, the horrific treatment suffered by African Americans in this country, as if all we did was get off a boat, and start receiving all these "benefits" which we did not rightfully deserve.

As the citizens in Germany have come to grips with their racist past by implementing all types of safeguards to prevent it from happening again and passing legislation in order to TEACH their citizens via commemorations, museums, etc. about not repeating this history, White Americans cannot/will not confront the evil history of this country.

What will it take for someone to make the first step and do that in THIS country. We have all types of memorials to the Jewish experience in Germany, yet these same citizens of this country are in denial about what this country visited upon African Americans.

Just sweep it under the rug, I don't want to hear about what my white ancestors did. This selective denial of THIS country's atrocities in evident every time an African American is accused of being not patriotic enough.

Their is guilt in those phrases about not being the one who committed these sins, as they know full well that a perverse affirmative action has always been practiced to their benefit, and are now threatened that maybe if African Americans are allowed to FREELY compete, their little half-wit son John, might not be able to get that job because somebody who was actually qualified for it due to preparation and brains (hint: African-American) got it instead. This scenario has been repeated for years, and only now because an African-American has the seams began to bust and the virulent racism oozes out of these who just cannot stand that an EDUCATED, ARTICULATED, BLACK MAN could become the next president of the US. Now how's that for being threatened?

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Black American Princess — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:09:00 -0000

OK so where's the big uproar by the mainstream media over this in the same fashion as they fell out over Rev. Wright's comments???????? That wasn't grammatically correct, sorry, but you get my point...

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Torrance Stephens bka All-Mi-T — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:01:00 -0000

would on suspect anything otherwise form PB