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I struggled with writing this piece, because I thought for awhile that I should just let it go. That I shouldn’t spread this filth, but then I realized that not confronting it was a problem.
When I first saw this over at TheRoot.com, my mouth went open. Not that I didn’t expect it, I did. I’ve [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: ... Continue reading »
When I first saw this over at TheRoot.com, my mouth went open. Not that I didn’t expect it, I did. I’ve [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: ... Continue reading »
1 year ago
I expect this kind of thing to come from Republican partisans. I expect Republican partisans and sycophants to dismiss it as "no big deal". But to be circulated amongst "progressives" under the guise of humor ...
Well, let's just say that it's reason number 589 why I'm not a Democrat anymore.
1 year ago
I am not surprised that it was posted by a Democrat either.
You said, "It's just that I believed it would be coming from the GOP."
And that is really the whole point...to perpetuate the fear that the GOP is the racist party while racist Dems are free to project their own feelings on to the GOP with impunity.
The Democrat party is not immune from attracting racist voters. 'Archie Bunkers' exist in both parties, but the Democrats have been able to keep it concealed...until now.
The GOP will end up the scapegoat with trash like this being spread among and by Democrats.
Shameful and disgusting.
I would be curious to know if there is any information about the creator of this image, how was the piece acquired, and who is responsible for disemanating it.
1 year ago
What the hell is wrong with these people?
1 year ago
Is there a profile on this blogger?
A quick google search reveals that One Citizen has recently posted at BuzzFlash.org re: Mike Huckabee,the Race Card, Michelle Obama, and the "New Improved Southern Strategy."
1 year ago
If you want to judge Kos, judge the recommended diaries, the rescued diaries, and the front page posts. It is a "free for all" blog that is less controlling than, say, DemocraticUnderground or many of the right wing blogs (many RW blogs have closed registration down to limit who can post there).
Where the racism lies is the pro-Hillary blogs like the vile No Quarter run by Larry Johnson, Hil shill Taylor Marsh, and the swamp of hate MYDD. They are so filled with hate of the Obamas, that they have crossed over (many months ago) into bigoted posts. Delve deeper and you will find Hillaryis44 and and equally awful Hillary Clinton forum.
But DailyKos has morphed into a pro-Obama blog. The Hillary supporters like Alegre "went on strike" in March, and now it is practically in G.E. mode urging on the death of the Hillary campaign. Are there lots of jerks who post there? Yup. But that is how it goes in the blogosphere. The guy who wrote the diary you linked to struck me as utterly tone deaf. His diary was not rewarded with many recommends, so you could say the community has spoken on his stupid diary (which the Right has now used to attack the blog).
Check out what Michelle had to say about all of the hate and fear:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/michelle-obama-in-phoenix_b_103924.html
She is an amazing woman.
1 year ago
Dailykos or no...the image is unacceptable.
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That's fucked up. I don't think the GOP's balls are big enough to pull a stunt like that.
That takes a special type of person.
1 year ago
1 year ago
I suspect the racebaiting is the real reason Bill Richardson ran to the Obama side. He probably wondered what race tricks the Clintons would have pulled on him if he were the front runner. No doubt we'd hear whispers that Bill Richardson really wasn't born in the US and that he was an anchor baby and we'd be seeing looped images of illegals jumping over the border every night on Hannity, while Hillary smiles on 60 Minutes and claims "Bill Richardson is a native born American...as far as I know."
The white feminist movement NEVER would have supported Michelle Obama whether Hillary was running or not because while they may be feminists, they are still WHITE and in their minds white trumps black every day. But these are the same hypocritical hoes who bashed Paula Jones and all the other women Bill had dalliances with, but never bashed Bill.
Let me say that again: These hypocritical hoes NEVER bashed Bill for constantly disrespecting Hillary with Paula, Monica, Gennifer, Dolly, Juanita, etc. but they will take every opportunity to bash Obama as sexist because he dared to be born black, with a penis and take the presidency away from their precious Hillary.
I really don't think they'd be calling John Edwards "sexist" if he were in Barack Obama's position. They'd accept it and move on.
I don't expect any of these creeps to ever have Michelle Obama's back and defend her against sexism and racism because in their minds, she and Barack "stole" something that belongs to them, white people, and they will never get forgiveness from the Geraldine Ferraro crowd. Never.
1 year ago
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--A White woman in Texas
1 year ago
http://one-citizen.dailykos.com/
And get this one: he hails from West Virginia, also posting on West Virginia Blue:
http://www.wvablue.com/userDiary/comments.do?personId=63
Check out this diary he wrote about Krauthammer, calling him a racist, and talking about racial injustice from the Chicago police:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/4/135243/9044/619/508908
Hmmm ... okay I think this guy made a mistake with the photo, but I am not convinced he is a bigot. He seems sympathetic to Obama. Given that he lives in WV, perhaps he is completely tone deaf, or living in a place so unlike our own that he does not understand why what he did was so offensive. Or am I off base, and not seeing the guy for who he is? What do you think?
rikyrah:
Yeah, agreed a lot of people were blind to it at the beginning, but I think Hillary helped out with her "hard working, white Americans" comment to clear it up for most. The first episode of race baiting I saw was back in December, when Shaheen asked whether Obama had sold drugs. Given that Clinton, Gore, Kerry, and Bush have owned up or been rumored to have used drugs, but NONE of them have been accused of drug dealing, anyone with less than half a brain could have seen Shaheen's comment for what it was. Oh, and it started after Obama hit it out of the park at the Jefferson/Jackson dinner in Iowa, and the Clinton campaign figured out that they were in trouble.
So ... some of us agreed with you from the start, but you are right that some didn't see it (honestly, though, since that time many of those posters who denied the race baiting either have left or changed their minds given what happened later).
1 year ago
1 year ago
I'm coming down on the image. Do you realize that IF I had actually seen that on DailyKos, I wouldn't have been able to read the diary, because I just would have been stopped in my tracks?
Might have been the best diary in the world, but that image would have stopped me from reading it.
1 year ago
He would have been better off just posting the picture - as is.
Without a diary.
That would have been more powerful.
I don't think he understood the true extent of his imagery.
The image alone was a diary.
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If I recall correctly, it was the DNC that came up with the movie-cartoon in which ‘W’ was portrayed as a villain pushing an old woman in a wheelchair over a cliff.
1 year ago
One Citizen might not have intended to hurt, but he did. AT some point white folks need to KNOW the disgusting part of our American history and the pain that comes with it. Their ignorance keeps them safe and keeps us perpetually at risk because of it.
Our silence about this must end NOW.
1 year ago
Or am I off base, and not seeing the guy for who he is? What do you think?
How does this compare with anything you have heard coming from the GOP or its MSM surrogates?
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Ask yourself if you did not know the party affiliation or political leanings of One Citizen, what would your gut tell you.
I truly believe this is an attempt to propagate the sentiment that the GOP is racist, thereby creating sympathy for Obama and backlash against the GOP...all the while being responsible for promoting racism.
It will work if people make apologies for One Citizen's actions because of his political leanings.
1 year ago
white folks need to KNOW the disgusting part of our American history and the pain that comes with it.
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Many white folks KNOW, the question is, will we excuse, write it off it from one of our 'own' in the Dem party?
Compare this to the 'curious george' t-shirt, and ask yourself how is this different? Is this worse?
Does party loyalty really merit excusing racist actions?
I say NO!
1 year ago
Well, I won't tell you how you or your audience should feel about this picture. You have every right to feel outraged by it.
that said, I too am disappointed by the picture. Not outraged though, because the GOP has been doing exactly what the picture portrays them to be doing.
"Branding" her as being anti-American.
Trying to lynch her (O'Retard on Faux News) literally.
Attacking her in groups (The TN GOP ad).
And the infamous southern strategy called upon by Clinton and McCain's Swift Boaters (Though with Clinton, she only won KY, WV, AR, and TN and technically FL. Hardly a winning team).
The Klan and the bigots are in play this election big time. Dick Morris said it himself on TV.
McCain's buddies are the architects of the collapse of the Middle Class of America (Phil Graham especially)
Your own site's postings proves the argument for the picture.
But if the GOP wants to do this Southern Strategy crap by going after Michelle Obama, then they'll find Cindy McCain and her drug addiction and her possible affair on the front pages of the newspapers as well.
1 year ago
I see your point. When I fist saw the picture, I cringed....more because I was afraid of what it meant for the GOP than the imagery.
But the more I thought about it, I didn't see it as an attempt to smear the GOP....simply because I don't know of any black Republicans/conservatives willing to cosign on the activities of the KKK.
I think this kinda transcends politicial ideology. Liberal, conservative, independent...the picture invokes certain feelings that can really set you off.
I can't even see the good intentions behind coming up with something like that.
1 year ago
When did O'Reilly "literally" try to lynch Michelle Obama?
Did I miss something?
1 year ago
Either of you only needed to include a link to the offensive item because, you see, I am just as offended when it is blatantly posted on this black-owned site as I would have been had I seen it posted on Daily Kos or any other so-called caucasian site.
I don't usually go into every diary posted on DKos, nor here on JJP. In fact, I first saw the heinous photo on the black site Panache Report where, just like here, they carefully made mention of it being on Daily Kos.
I'll repeat it again - posting it here is just as insensitive as others posting it elsewhere. At least to this black women it is.
The situation is as beachmom said - Daily Kos is getting disparaged although everyone who's online regularly knows, it is difficult to monitor hugely trafficked blog sites that are purported to get something like 500,000 hits per day, as Daily Kos is said to receive.
In fact, in Daily Kos's FAQs, Markos spells out the difficulty of web life with ever present trolls around to wreak havoc at will. Not saying that particular diarist was a troll, but y'all understand what I'm saying.
Although I perfectly understand your intentions here, IMO, there's not much room for dissing Daily Kos, where the image has been removed from the link posted here, when you're leaving a virtual footprint to the offensive photo.
It's like black folks getting mad at white people for using the 'n' word by using the excuse that it's a term of endearment or a means of creative expression when it ain't; it's just a terribly derogatory and offensive word that isn't fit to be used by anyone for any reason, same as the 'b' or 'c' word is for women.
No one should be posting that photo anywhere online, then claim righteous indignation at the repugs or whoever while mimicking their behavior.
I still love this site and Daily Kos and I don't plan to halt frequent visits to either, but right is right, no matter what color you are.
The right thing to do is to take down that photo, to not be a party to its continued discussion and distribution online or anywhere else. It just ain't right now, it ain't right.
1 year ago
Quote from comment section -
"You have to admit that the sensationalist image snagged a lot more readers though.
BTW I took that image down long before anyone realized it. I figured I'd take it down as soon a I hit a certain number of comments.
I still think that it was entirely appropriate, historically accurate and politically relevant.
Besides, it was an ILLUSTRATION, a FICTION not a PHOTO.
I still don't get what all the uproar was about mainly because only one person bothered to really articulate their feelings.
As for the photo of dead bodies comment, I think you'd agree that if they'd show more of Iraq "collateral damage" on TV we likely would have been out of Iraq long ago.
The photo doesn't seem to be getting nearly as many rightwingers yelling to take it down as the illustration of GOPers in Klan whites, does it?
Wonder why that is?"
It is not for HIM to decide what is offensive.
1 year ago
I don't think there are ANY good intentions behind that image. It is meant to stir up hatred between blacks and whites in the GOP.
I contend that the Democrats have repeatedly and deliberately promoted, exploited the GOP as the 'racist party' for its own political gain.
Of course you don't know many Republicans/conservatives who would sign on to the KKK, nor do I, because it is greatly exaggerated.
But the charge is viciously repeated and thrown around just as freely as the Bush/Hitler meme in progressive/Democrat circles.
As you can tell by the comments here, people 'expect' this to come from the GOP. Why is that? Are there those in the Democrat just as culpable in promoting racism?
Look no further than this horrible image and you have your answer.
Yet many blacks are content to make broad sweeping assumptions about the GOP as a racist party while being ignorant or tolerant of it in the democrat party.
One Citizen is responsible for fomenting hatred against his fellow man.
1 year ago
And: I may not entirely understand the context -- am I correct in understanding that this image was actually MADE by someone who posts at Daily Kos? (I know this should be obvious but this is disorienting me and making my perception fuzzy somehow, and apparently I'm not able to fully focus.)
I've played with making images, nothing this elaborate by any means. But the thing is: given what I have experienced and the concentration needed to put things together, my take is that to make something like this takes sustained attention in a way that .... what am I trying to say here? .... it requires some sort of sustained attention that implicitly requires a sort of spiritual acceptance of what the image says.
And I really don't know if that's the right way to say it, whatever I am trying to describe .... it's just that to my perception, making such an image would require the maker to be acting from a sort of a historical-spiritual-political (if that's the right way to put it) inner deadness to what that image is saying and how it feels, its violence.
I can't seem to get past this piece, the actual making of the image and the state that someone would have to be in to be able to do it. I can't seem to get past that for some reason, I don't know why.
And I'm sorry if any of this is redundant or incoherent; I really am significantly disoriented right now by the violence of the image.
1 year ago
-NOOOOOOO!
Not Cindy McCain!
Not Mrs. Straight Talk Express!
I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!
1 year ago
Black people "expect" racism from the GOP because in most of their eyes, the GOP has thrown them under the bus.
Most are so busy looking for racism there that when it comes from another liberal, they feign shock and ignore the equally racist history of the democratic party.
There's blood on all sides, but only one gets mentioned.
Here's my question (and Komack, feel free to take a stab): why is it that whenever something's mentioned about Barry or Michelle, the liberals have to try to find something that's equally as "bad" about McCain or his wife?
Is tit-for-tat really helpful to anyone's strategy?
1 year ago
I have to admit that it's difficult to offend me but I don't find this offensive at all.
And you people who think that you shouldn't use "offensive" - which is subjective - language and images to make a point that you even you would agree with have been living in a politically correct world for way too long.
1 year ago
I wasn't silent when the race-baiting started and I won't silent about this; and when an AA women is portrayed in this manner it diminishes all of humanity. Thanks for reminding us of the importance of building bridges, at the same time holding firm that there is that which is intolerable.
1 year ago
Many white folks KNOW, the question is, will we excuse, write it off it from one of our 'own' in the Dem party?
Compare this to the 'curious george' t-shirt, and ask yourself how is this different? Is this worse?
Does party loyalty really merit excusing racist actions?
I say NO!
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Anon I agree with what you are saying. My point is that that for every one white person who understands the FEAR, RAGE, and TRAUMA perpetuated with the imagery 's use there are many white people who think its just rude because of the emotional distance they have from slavery and Jim Crow.
If all white people understood the deep emotional wreckage that still exists in our society I believe deeply that white people who we the ones tearing down the site themselves. I believe there is a lack of empathy in our society and it stems from true ignorance.
Whether you mean it or not, racism is racism. I am with you.
1 year ago
So using racist imagery to decry racism is racist?
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Granted, not one of us would ever create such a cartoon; it is too deep
a wound for us.
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"My take is that the artist feels he is creating a satirical cartoon about those who promote racism in this political season. He is mocking them. He does not necessarily have to possess this belief system in order to create this cartoon: he simply understands it. He is saying this is what they are trying to do to Michelle."
Exactly. Context is everything and I picked it up immediately.
1 year ago
I feel that the creator of this image cares nothing for the feelings of the viewer. It is an in-your-face assault on whites, not Michelle Obama, meant to drive home a political point.
Make no mistake, the message is: the GOP is as racist and evil as the KKK and whites who criticize Michelle Obama are guilty of the equivalent of rape, torture and murder! No one should be offended because, after all...it's true.
Bittergate...true
Rev. Wright...true
Michelle Obama's comments...true
Bush = Hitler...true
Whites who take issue with comments made by Michelle Obama, or dare to challenge the veracity or ideology contained therein are the ones who are being hatefully and disgustingly portrayed.
Dehumanizing Michelle Obama is necessary in order to reveal the truth. She is being portrayed as a victim of evil.
IMO, nothing could be further from the truth.
Michelle's Obama's comments are open for criticism and can be intelligently and thoughtfully refuted, defended or explained without having to resort to expressing nothing less than vile, hatred toward those with whom one may disagree. But this is an all too prevalent tactic of the left for avoiding candid debate and crushing dissent among those who disagree with their viewpoint.
This image reinforces the very worst in all people, preying on fear and hatred toward those with whom one may have a disagreement.
1 year ago
Yes, to be clear, "One Citizen", who hails from West Virginia, is a Kos diarist and CREATED the image. It was an anti-GOP diary about the Southern Strategy (the image is now gone from the diary). It is my view, given what we have learned of the underbelly of WV (and even trying to give SOME benefit of the doubt with explanations from Jim Webb on the culture there), that that place has a pretty damned bizarre way of viewing things. It is a different kind of racism there, based purely not on experience but ignorance and fear of the unknown. They are fearful of Obama, not just for being black, but for his strange name. Maybe even that he lives in Chicago.
One Citizen has written a couple of diaries on race, where it is clear that he is sympathetic to those who have suffered under racial injustice. However, One Citizen is so far removed from the African American experience, he just is hopelessly tone deaf and does not understand how hurtful the image he created is. I also think there is some truth to the idea that it has come too easy for Democrats to paint the GOP as the "racist party", while sweeping under the rug race problems it has in its own party.
Anyway, I agree that the photo is so unbelievably out of line and wrong.
1 year ago
So, in your update are you willing to excuse this Obama supporter because he was really attacking whites who criticize Michelle's statements?
What about the whites, like me, who view this and are rightly offended? Do we deserve to be compared to the evil, murderous KKK simply for engaging in debate?
Make no mistake, questioning Michelle Obama's view of this country maybe considered unfair by Obama supporters but it is NOT the same as torture and murder! This image is insulting and comtemptuous towards whites.
But why have consideration for my feelings? I am a human being. A woman. A loving wife. A devoted mother. A successful professional. Intelligent. Smart.
White. Conservative. And not worthy of being defended against charges of racism?
1 year ago
An image Cindy McCain being raped by a gang of black men donning Obama logos was posted on a right-wing blog.
"My take is that the artist feels he is creating a satirical cartoon about those who promote racism in this political season. He is mocking them. He does not necessarily have to possess this belief system in order to create this cartoon: he simply understands it. He is saying this is what they are trying to do to Cindy."
Acceptable? Excusable?
1 year ago
that image was the equivalent of visual C-4.
How many of us know how to handle C-4?
and, this person didn't either.
There should have been something that said ' stop', ' wait up'. I believe the racebaiting in this Democratic race has desensitized folks.
The picture alone should have been the diary. There truly were no words that could be more powerful than his visual C-4.
1 year ago
D, I don't think I entirely understand all of what you're saying about who it was assaulting -- since in seeing it I feel it, strongly, as viscerally violent toward the actual person who is in it as the target of the violence it portrays.
But I guess I would say this: If the white creator of that image did it primarily as a communication to other white people, then that to me is yet another layer of ugly. Because that is yet another layer of making Michelle Obama, a Black woman, into an object to be used for communication between whites.
And just in general: there is NO doubt in my mind that white liberals and progressives from all over the country can and often do practice racism/white supremacy. I have seen it over and over again in my life.
1 year ago
I am disturbed that anyone thought this was a good idea.
I'm also disturbed by how many people are too witless to look past the superficial form of the image to parse out its meaning.
For crying out loud, people, the branding iron reads "UPPITY LIBERAL"!
1 year ago
So true. That's its virtue and its downside.
All kinds of crazies post on Kos. Including literal crazies who think the government is reading their minds -- those diaries are interesting to say the least.
Abhorrent stuff like this may posted by people who, charitably, may be too stupid to know what's wrong with it -- which wrongness is explained quite well by you, thanks!
In this case I'd hope that's what's going on -- that the artist didn't think of the red dress issue, and was otherwise trying to indicate that the Republican Party leadership were like KKK members and would quite honestly try to torture and kill Michelle Obama if they could -- without realizing that the image itself is a PTSD trigger. (Given that the Republican leadership are actually literally ordering kidnappings and torture, and claiming that they're good things, I can see where such a person would be coming from.)
Or sometimes stuff like that is just posted by truly abhorrent bigots.
1 year ago