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Jack and Jill Politics: The Buchanan Theorem

  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    dna,


    That was epic! :)
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    How can we get that Klansman fired?
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    No, I have no questions. :)


    The black friends defense is designed to prevent that, Craig. Pay attention that each time Pat does his worst in racial insensitivity, the next day he is accompanied by either Ford or Robinson.
  • golden star · 1 year ago
    dnA,


    I KNEW that there was a term for this! I thought it was RACIST WASTE but I stand corrected Buchanan Theorem.



    Thanks!
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    I can't wait until Obama is named the nominee. That mofo is going to explode!


    Chris called him out though.



    Well that's one n*&^%r he won't have to worry about repairing with public assistance.



    BPM - I don't know how Robinson can sit there with him. I would probably have touched him by now.
  • John Shreffler · 1 year ago
    dnA,


    Here's one "White Man" speaking, who thinks he's not fit to tie Rev. king's shoes. Go Obama! I hope none of these Clinton functionaries like Wolfson, Penn, or Carville get their calls answered after Obama gets sworn in next January. We're almost there for the nomination and I can't wait to watch him disassemble McCain in the General.
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    Ms.Martin, I know how...they are getting paid. LOL You know that is the easiest way to get us to "overlook" things. I think Ford probably agrees with Pat most times but I think Robinson may think it is just to stupid to do anything other than laugh at (I hope that's it anyway). I will say that the worst of all in my book is Rev. Manning of FoxNews. Did you see his latest youtube BS called the "trinity of hell" or something like that. That thing has like 30,000 views and I don't understand how he could be serious or how any congregation could tolerate him as pastor.
  • Ms.Martin · 1 year ago
    BPM


    I havent seen Manning I don't watch anything Fox, but I will look for the youtube video.



    I did see Robinson get visably irriated with him once and quip that Obama was winning. He's a better person than me, I have had it with Buchanan.
  • icebergslim · 1 year ago
    Here is the full 10 minute rant, here.


    He needs to be OFF the AIR.
  • smoothie · 1 year ago
    BPM


    It actually gets much worse in regards to Rev. Manning. Down in San Antonio we ONLY GET Right-Wing Radio. So you can imgaine my drive home from work with the likes of Rush, and Hannity.



    Anyhow, Manning was on Hannity linking Obama and Wright together as lovers. I assure you, this was the most awful 5 minutes of radio i have ever heard.



    ----

    Whenever people come at Barack with the he's only getting the black vote blah, I kindly ask them what if Hillary's last name was anything OTHER then Clinton. I also remind them that are we to assume that in 8 yrs Laura Bush should run for President?
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    smoothie, that is EXACTLY what he was also doing in the youtube sermon. Maybe we are talking about the same sermon and talk radio was playing it.
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    smoothie, I just found it on youtube. Is this what you heard on the radio or was Manning actually doing this insanity live?


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0
  • smoothie · 1 year ago
    BPM
    Doing it live. I was praying Hannity would take callers. Manning was crushing from all over the place. Saying "I have definitive proof" and going back to his "Barack was born trash statements."
  • evita · 1 year ago
    Chris Matthews has evolved because of this democratic race. When he checked him and explained the difference between white people voting bc of their race and black people voting because of their race was HUGE. He just described the concept of race privilege... WHOOP WHOOP! Then he checked him and said this started 400 years ago... big moment.


    If you didn't see the whole thing, see it.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Chris Matthews goes back and forth.


    But credit where credit is due: he cracked Pat's face with that social history lesson.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    Chris Matthews goes back and forth.


    But credit where credit is due: he cracked Pat's face with that social history lesson.
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    I've always laughed at Pat as he has always hated blacks and I like my racist straight up, but, MSNBC really needs a clue, this guy and his big old punkin head is going to explode with all the hate and rage he has. And, he is on from 6 in the morning, my time until 6 at night on here spewing his rage. Have let go on the Clinton New Network and other than Olberman, getting close to getting rid of MSNBC.
  • Peg · 1 year ago
    Check out Pat's Brief on Whitey, if you have the stomach.


    http://www.buchanan.org/blog/?p=969
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    For all the complaints that Buchanan has about government welfare programs, no one ever did an audit on the federal campaign funds Buchanan received in 2000 for his presidential run. And it was no small amount of money.


    - KXB
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    How is it that Buchanan is a regular commentator on any show?


    Yet Black folk still have to threaten boycotts in order to get any air time.



    And where are my Latino and Asian peeps? Do y'all not care that you literally have no voice in the MSM?
  • s · 1 year ago
    dna,


    Can you address Buchanan's assertion about black voters in Philly?



    Black, poor, under educated voters in Philly. Did race play a role in their decision to vote for Obama?



    Or did they feel they just have more in common with Obama vs. Hillary? Is it racist to ask the question? Is it racist to answer yes, I feel I have more in common with Obama?



    If the poll question was never asked of black voters, why not?



    In the end, so what if blacks vote for Obama in part because he's black.



    I can think of thousand of different reason to vote for or against Obama that are based on nothing more than individual preferences based on many things other than the issues.
  • smoothie · 1 year ago
    I applaud Matthew's 40yrs comments. Part me however, remembers the Morning Joe episode when he said he wouldnt mind making a run for a senate seat. So whenever I hear him, i wander if he's saying whatever he say's in order to garnish votes down the line.


    As far as CNN goes, I thought the Right Wing calling it the Clinton News Network was them just hatin on CNN, but From Wolf to Cooper it is indeed a love fest over there. Almost all the Dem. Strategist have ties to the Clinton campaign and, Whenever they have an Obama Clinton Debate, I get the feeling Jamaal is ran out there against all odds with no intention of him winning. (at times there's been 3 HRC supporters to 1)



    Not to mention on Larry King they had Debbie W.Shultz aka Lil HilLary on last night..(that capped it for me )
  • Simcha · 1 year ago
    I, for one, like my American racists straight up, not shaken and stirred. Perhaps MSNBC keeps this amygdala-damaged maniac on the air because they're trying to prove a point that mouth-frothing fools like Buchanan are still strongly represented in our culture -- and they vote their prejudices, even when it harms them. In my opinion, they're just holding up a mirror. However, I wish we could at least bring back the FCC's fair use doctrine on all networks, cable included, to force them to provide counterbalancing views AT THE SAME TIME people like Buchanan spew their vitriol. (Faux News doesn't give two sh*ts about this, of course.) This effort would also have to be abetted by real journalists who aren't afraid to ask tough questions and challenge all of their guests on their assumptions, regardless of whether they support their views. I guess that's too much to hope for.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    in some ways it might be good for pat to do what he does because he reveals the truth by stepping in it. appalachia aside, the racial question is ultimately going to help obama. will americans really want to go on the record voting the old white guy with the failed policies over the beautiful future man of dark skin color? the world is watching. pat feels the pressure.
  • andyfrombrooklyn · 1 year ago
    jon stewart was on the money last night lampooning w.va. great interviews with staunch racist totally ignorant w.va. voters. pat would be proud of them.
  • Against Race Politics · 1 year ago
    Simcha,


    I suppose Pat is still on the air b/c of exactly this- we are talking about him and that makes them money!



    We watched + we talk = money for them!



    We will watch again hoping that one day he will self destruct!
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    thanks dnA,


    Pat is a straight up racist. I can accept that, and depending upon the day, watch him or turn the channel.



    THIS?



    Was flat out hilarious.



    And, I do mean hilarious.



    I mean, it's sinking in on folks, people.



    Sinking in.



    They tried, in Mississippi, not one, but TWO BLACK BOGEYMEN - Obama AND Wright.



    And they lost.



    Mississippi people.

    Mississippi.



    There's the South.



    And then there's Mississippi.



    Nothing says racebaiting better than an Angry Black Man.



    You have no idea what kind of shock the GOP is in. They can't believe it. Not in any way.



    They thought, for sure, they'd get the jolt they need….Hillpatine.



    Then Obama blew her away in North Carolina and nearly caught her in Indiana. And, they know that the only reason she won there was because of Rush Limbaugh.



    Now, Obama rolls out John Edwards, erasing the memo of their day.



    Obama is on the precipice of doing something they weren't able to do in 2 decades- take out the Clintons.



    They are stunned. Absolutely stunned. They have no gameplan as to how to defeat him.



    A Black man as President.

    A Visibly Black woman as First Lady.

    Two little visibly Black kids romping around The White House.



    Pat sees the world turning on its axis, and he can't take it.



    That's why it's hilarious



    I'm through the looking glass again. When Tweety and Andrea Mitchell sound rational and make sense on race matters....



    the apocalypse is coming.



    PS- I don't want him fired. I want him sitting there, Election Night 2008, as the electoral map comes through and Barack Hussein Obama is elected President of the United States of America.



    The next morning, he can be fired.
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    "Part me however, remembers the Morning Joe episode when he said he wouldnt mind making a run for a senate seat. So whenever I hear him, i wander if he's saying whatever he say's in order to garnish votes down the line."


    Yep, that would be because you are a bigger picture type of person. You can't win statewide Dem in Penn. without Philly.



    They just announced that Obama has gotten 4 of Edwards' pledged delegates. The verdict is still out on the other 14.
  • bpm · 1 year ago
    "PS- I don't want him fired. I want him sitting there, Election Night 2008, as the electoral map comes through and Barack Hussein Obama is elected President of the United States of America."


    LOL. I'm sensing that you may have a small desire to witness the heartattack sure to come live on air.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    As for Rev. Sambo Manning,


    go to Youtube for his greatest hits. He dogs out Obama's Mama like nobody's business.



    He literally is Uncle Ruckus with a church.



    And, I still want Hillpatine's earmarks - I wanna know how much she gave this Uncle Tom.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    smoothie said...


    I applaud Matthew's 40yrs comments. Part me however, remembers the Morning Joe episode when he said he wouldnt mind making a run for a senate seat. So whenever I hear him, i wander if he's saying whatever he say's in order to garnish votes down the line.



    ::



    Bingo. I noticed that Chris backed off from what little objectivity he had and starting pumping she who shall not be named with reckless abandon.



    That's why I say he goes back and forth. He's caught between what he's doing now and what he hopes to do in the future.



    He can't claim to play hard ball if he doesn't play hard ball and he can't afford to alienate his future base.



    If the networks had any integrity, his show would have been canceled the minuted he announced his political aspirations.
  • Craig Hickman · 1 year ago
    rikyrah, that was the best post of the day.


    Thank you so much.
  • Nquest · 1 year ago
    Can you address Buchanan's assertion about black voters in Philly?


    Black, poor, under educated voters in Philly. Did race play a role in their decision to vote for Obama?



    There is no reason to. Carol, Al, Alan is all that needs to be said. And DNA pointed out how Gore garnered 90% of the Black vote in a Dem. Primary. But why let those facts get in the way.



    Barack Obama is the new Black. He's obviously blacker than Al Sharpton, presidential candidate, ever was. That is, Al wasn't Black enough for the "pride" vote and all that "skin comfort", "skin common" nonsense.



    Yours and Pat's is stupid-azz question. The stupid-sh*t just assumes that it's Obama's "race" as if that's all (or the most important thing) it can be.





    If the poll question was never asked of black voters, why not?



    More stupidity that Chris Matthews dispensed with right there on the show. Unless you got evidence that the questions were only posed to White voters, STHU!!



    Note that Philly is a city and WV is a state. Also note how it's not that hard to verify that the poll questions (which were asked in Ohio to both Blacks and Whites) were asked across the board with no respect to the race of the voters.



    The Race Factor in Pa. Primary

    See "Update" portion of the article.





    You say you can think of a "thousand different reasons to vote for or against" a candidate based on things besides the issues... Well, there are even more reasons to vote for candidates than some kind of quaint notion of "skin color kinship."



    But go ahead, spell out the things Black voters in Philly are supposed to have more in common with Obama. Explain when and where you or anyone else came up with the idea that Obama's "race" (whatever that is/means to you) that's a remarkable, dominant, significant or primary factor for voting FOR Obama.





    Is it racist to ask the question?



    It's stupid to ask the question when you're assuming what the answer is. But since we're asking questions and since Pat Buchanan gets to say Obama is only in it because he is Black but never is the question raised about him. Well, I'm going to ask this purely rhetorical (I know the answer) question:



    Is Pat Buchanan on the air just because he's White?



    Note: There are no regular commentator spots for someone Black, e.g., who has a history of making racially offensive remarks (like Buchanan). There are no Black regular commentators on TV who have published a diatribe comparable to Buchanan's Whitey brief.





    If the Buchanan question (Is he there, given a platform to offend and talk about US and THEM, because he is white) was never asked, why not?





    Let's hear it, s.
  • Admiral Komack · 1 year ago
    1. Barack Obama is only getting 90% of the black vote because he's black.


    -NO.

    Obama is getting 90% of the black vote because Hillary is race-baiting.



    IF she were running a civil campaign and battling Obama on the issues, she could have made serious inroads into Obama's support among blacks.



    BUT NOOOOO...she didn't talk policy...she went right for the race card.



    Oh, and last time I checked, Al Gore and John Kerry aren't black...and they got high percentages of the black vote (higher than what Hillary will get this time).
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    ronnieb, that is a great question, its as if the latinos and asian voters don't even exist in the so called msm, other than when hill/billy race baited the latino's in vegas for votes.


    pat? if obama does get the nod, that big old head will explode, along with matthews, who has also made more than his share of racially insensitive remarks.



    pat should head on over to cnn where he would fit right in with his new found hill/billy pandering. after seeing that fluff from wolf and the second most annoying person on these pundit shows, john king, he would fit right in.
  • Ronnie B · 1 year ago
    One more piece of brilliance for which Obama deserves credit:


    Whether Bararck wins the presidency or not, Black voters all over the country have seen the true colors of the Democratic Party. The so-called leaders of the party as well as the MSM sat and watched for months as the Clintons race-baited like it was 1968.



    So if the Democratic Party ever wants to get back to the White House, they're going to have to make sure that a Black person is either on the ticket, or are high-level cabinet members.



    Similarly, if the MSM wants to continue resembling anything mainstream, they'll have no choice but to become diverse--in management.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    I think Pat Buchanan should lose his job. There is no way that a nazi, a Black Nationalist or a Muslim "extremist" (I'm not comparing them. I'm using them in the context of each of them being offensive to a racial/ethnic group)would be regular commentators, yet we are expected to put up with him. When I turned on morning joe and saw him, I changed the channel. I've written at least 4 email letters to MSNBC requesting his termination. The only way they would respond is with petitions and letters to sponsors.


    Ronnie B, you are very correct in your assertion sbout Blacks and the DNC. I think we should consider defecting from it enmass. We can't really control who a candidate appoints to their cabinet, because we don't vote about it. They can (and do) tell us anything. Aside from that, america as a nation is going to be too caught up in survival to watch politics as closely as we have been able to do in the past.



    The DNC has not done right by Obama. They have stood by silently and witnessed the ugly, scurrilous and low down political tactics of hillbilly. In their silence they have communicated to the public that they condone this mess. They stand by and watch Joe Lieberman do whatever kind of traitorous thing he wants to do, and they are too spineless to kick him out. They listen to hillbilly elevate a republican "opponent" over a fellow party member, and again, they are too spineless to speak up and let the public know, this does not represent what we are about. I don't know why they have so much fear of hillbilly, but they have carte blanche to do and say whatever the hell they want without censure. Worst of all, they seem unwilling to publicly denounce hillbilly's cheating and assertion that they "won" FL & MI. Are they saying to all the young people that are interested in this historical political contest that it's OK to cheat as long as you are able to spin it? I don't really get it, and I really don't get all the american who are OK with the spin. At this writing, I won't be able to financially support them.
  • s · 1 year ago
    Pat Buchanan is on the air because he conveniently reinforces the perception that conservatives and Republicans are racist.


    Chris Matthews was stating that Obama lost in WV primarily because white voters are racist.



    Race was a factor for some, but not all. And Matthews uses racism as an excuse to avoid addressing Obama's lack of support in the state. Buchanan takes the bait and all serious analysis is reduced to the fodder witnessed in the clip posted.



    What part of Obama's message or vision for the country failed to capture the enthusiasm and support of the majority of WV voters?



    Does this expose a vulnerability that will be exploited by McCain in the general election?



    Matthews books Buchanan on his show to keep the issue of race at the forefront of ant discussion about white voters who do not support Obama. It keeps blacks and other Obama supporters all riled up, ready and willing to rail against anyone who is skeptical of Obama.



    Is it not wise to examine and refute the case against Obama with persuasive rebuttal, instead of charges of racism and defensive suggestions that all scrutiny and criticism are somehow all personal attacks?



    WV has a large number of citizens in the military. Could Obama's stand on the war have had something to do with the loss? Or what about his 'Bittergate' comments?



    Nooooo. The war is hugely unpopular and we must pull out now! 'Bittergate'? Noooo. Obama may have phrased it indelicately but he speaks the truth! Flag pin? A manufactured distraction!



    WV don't get Obama because they must be racist and we have the exit polling to prove it!



    Matthews, clearly looking to bolster Obama's candidacy, rejects or refuses to acknowledge any serious opposition to the man who sends a tingle up his leg.



    Race is a convenient distraction and mostly bs.