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Jack Turner passed this to me to talk about and both he and rikyrah have written to The Fix’s Chris Cilliza at WaPo to get him straight on this story. Cilliza seems confused about why African-American voters have turned away from the Clintons, why their brand with us has collapsed so hard so fast. He [...]SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "The Clinton
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I will believe it when I see it.
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A [white and very old] woman for President? It doesn't excite me, maybe because I know the media and the "feminists" don't include black women in that equation. A black female President might get my interest and sense of excitement.
I'll get celebratory about Obama's candidacy if he wins the election, not a moment before.
1 year ago
Sort of OT, but I watched a bit of a show on CNN called "Where Do They Stand?" At the end of the healthcare policy segment, John Roberts talked to a Republican strategist, and Joan Walsh "represented" the Democratic position. The Republican strategist talked up McCain's plan, and Walsh talked down Omama's plan. I suspect we'll see her playing that role often in the coming months.
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lets get over it...it is now about Obamaland.....he is our nominee...he will win in November.
the key is that all of us contribute time an money and spread the word.
We will win this election.
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"I'm a Native American...and the Clintons will have to show me something. The Hill speach today was all good and well, but actions speak louder than words."
"I will believe it when I see it."
-WORD
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I don't trust Bill or Hillary Clinton and I think they are up to something. Bill is too filled with hate in his heart for Obama. No way either one of them lets this go and cheerfully campaigns for Obama. Keep your eyes on their surrogates because I'm quite certain Geraldine Ferraro will still be out there whipping up racial resentment and whipping up white women against Obama. The only time to "let this go" is Jan. 20, 2009.
1 year ago
that just doesn't make sense to me. if you're going to be racist, why not be Republican? that way you won't even accidentally end up talking to someone who isn't a racist, which can be awkward.
i find it odd that the sexism Hillary is suffered is considered to be A Crime Against Humanity, but the astonishing racism aimed at Obama is sort of brushed aside. sheesh.
that said, i thought she did a good job, but she has to back it up with action. if she puts in even half the effort she did for her own campaign, Obama will kick McCain's ass up and down the electoral map.
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I don't trust Bill or Hillary Clinton and I think they are up to something. Bill is too filled with hate in his heart for Obama. No way either one of them lets this go and cheerfully campaigns for Obama. Keep your eyes on their surrogates because I'm quite certain Geraldine Ferraro will still be out there whipping up racial resentment and whipping up white women against Obama. The only time to "let this go" is Jan. 20, 2009.
Town is on the money again.
Her success would have meant that her campaign would have been used as the blueprint to DESTROY any Black candidate with aspirations higher than a gerrymandered Congressional Seat.
That's why we cannot let this go.
Hell no.
No forgiving.
And certainly no forgetting.
We can move onto the general election, but no...I'm not feeling the ' Unity' bullshit.
We learned lessons throughout all of this, and I believe Obama's people are smart enough to know that they can't trust her, or her lackeys -under any circumstances. You can pretend that you do, but he understands that these 2 Deranged Narcissists are his ENEMY...and wish him nothing but ill.
1 year ago
Obama knows that he will lose if he doesnt find a way to court Hillary's supporters. McCain is already after them. It seems that if you were really a group of progressives, you would try to get over yourselves and focus on what's good about Barack instead of what is so wrong with Hillary (who is not the real enemy mind you).
Is this really a pro McCain website in disguise? With the purpose to stoke the fires of division within the ranks of progressives?
1 year ago
Why Does the Michelle Obama Rumor Tape Sound Like a 2006 Novel?
Re: The Clintons? What Rikyrah said...
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considering the Hillary crowd needed a few days to "adjust" to the fact that she lost (hence no immediate concession Tuesday night, like any other candidate), its sorta funny that Obama supporters the most offended by the racist crap thrown around are expected to Straighten Up and Fly Right immediately.
Bitter Hillary Voters = Justified, Need A Few Weeks to Face Reality
Bitter Obama Voters = Ignorant, so STFU About Hillary Right Now
huh!
...if this kinda angry is still bubbling up a week or two from now, then yeah, people need to let it go.
but i'd say the Statute of Limitations hasn't expired yet, especially since you could hear distinct booing when Hillary first mentioned Obama today during her speech. Will the real Progressives please stand up?
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We are neither entertaining or ignorant. If you have a different opinion then express that opinion. Please refrain from trying to denigrate people or question their intelligence.
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IMO it matters because Hillary is considered untrustworthy. If she intends to "redeem" herself, then why not start now?
Why is her goodwill always projected to some point in the future? Somehow, when we get to that point in time....it's extended even further. Goodwill deferred is no goodwill at all.
Barack has a picture of her on his site, thanking her for the endorsement and inviting his supporters to write in with their thanks. Hillary only has text over a picture of her rally...it seems sloppy and insincere.
Don't for one minute believe the smiling faces and assurances from Democrats on the talk shows. They are nervous as hell about Hillary's true intentions. The effusive praise she's received sounds like a hostage negotiation to my ear.
I read that Hillary wanted Barack to agree to have the first ballot cast for her at the convention....she said it was for Chelsea... If she has accepted his victory, why all the stalling and bargaining? Why does Hillary consistently fall short?
1 year ago
I find it difficult to believe that you are seriously arguing that the Democratic party candidate who several weeks ago declared that she was supported by "hard working Americans, white Americans" belongs to the progressive cohort that you refer to? We all understand that we have to do business with Sr. Hillary and her acolytes but that does not mean that we have to trust or like them. And it certainly does not mean that we have to deny the reality of who they are and what they feel with respect to African Americans.
We will continue to do what the Obama campaign needs us to do to support Senator Obama. He is in charge of his campaign but we are are free citizens of a democratic republic. Within the context of his campaign we will play by and obey his rules, but within the context of us exercising our rights as citizens we will speak and write freely as we please.
As for Sr. Hillary and her acolytes, I refuse to fatten any frogs for snakes. You can do whatever you please.
1 year ago
I do understand the point about maybe needing time to heal the wounds.
I just don't think that Hillary bashing at this point is strategic or smart. Sorry if using the term ignorant is offensive, but it is beyond ignorant to think that Barack doesn't need Hillary to pound the pavement for him. It's nuts.
1 year ago
This is a black blog. That script doesn't really apply here.
"instead of what is so wrong with Hillary (who is not the real enemy mind you)."
Well, she actually is the enemy. She made herself the enemy. Yes, it is time to focus on the GE, but forgiving and forgetting? No.
1 year ago
I don't exactly see Barack as the ride or die type for black issues anyway. Though I know you all think that is because he "transcends race" and "does what he needs to do" to win. I live in New York, and was dreadfully disturbed by his comments after the Sean Bell verdict. I hope that, with as much fervor as you all seem to support Sen. Obama's candidacy, that you call him to task when he is elected.
Furthermore, when did being black automatically make you a progressive???
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Danielle,
I'm in New York too. We're you equally upset at New York Senator Hillary Clinton, who didn't say a word about the Sean Bell case?
How about the Feb. 5 election where several mostly black districts came up with 0 votes for Obama (141 to 0 in Harlem!) We're you upset then?
I think it is presumptuous and quite condescending of you (You guys are a very entertaining yet ignorant group of people.) to just waltz in here and assume that no one here will "call Obama to task when he is elected" as if we wouldn't understand how to do that when the time comes or already know Obama needs most of Hillary's voters to win.
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Sister - this is not about Obama. We cannot allow any white politician, especially one who claims to be a Democrat and whose political career is owed to the black electorate, to play the race card and traffic in racially coded phrases. It is a mistake to conflate or attempt to bend our responses to the demands and needs of Obama's campaign. He is not running to be president of Black America. We have to look out for ourselves and remain vigilant.
I don't find any fault with Obama and his campaign making peace with the Clintonians. That's part of what they have to do to win. When I am working as a volunteer in his campaign I will do my utmost to respect his wishes. Elsewhere, I will say and write what I please.
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Just remember, Danielle, that any time you lay down with dogs you will always get up with fleas. Anybody who tells you on the one hand that it is important to elect a Democrat, nay, more important than anything to elect a Democrat while referring other people as "ignorant" and "morons" is a strange political bedfellow. Has it escaped your attention that none of us who disagree with you have called you any names or questioned your brain power?
This "Anonymous" character wants you join with him or her to build a political party but fails to display any signs of having been raised in a home where good manners and civility were stressed. You don't need to join our side but beware of folks like "Anonymous." If you disagree with people like that they will cut off your head. That's no way to build a new world.
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I was going to ask how it could be that Barack is not running for pres of Black America, but that it is somehow a shame that Harlem didn't vote for him...but then I realized that I wouldn't get an answer that made sense.
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What is ignorant (myopic, shortsighted, whatever adjective you might perfer) is the reluctance to work together, when we all clearly need each other to enact the change that we discuss.
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The question doesn't make sense. There is no president of Black America and if Obama didn't get any votes out of certain Harlem precincts it because of folks like "Anonymous" who despise him and feel that God appointed them to serve as gatekeepers for black folk. In short, somebody tampered with the machines and the roll of registered voters and it wasn't Obama and his supporters.
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http://www.haloscan.com/comments/egalia/9108398914676216609/
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...and she's calling other people ignorant?
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...and she's calling other people ignorant?
Exactly! What a joke...
I guess she knows even more than her mayor Michael Bloomberg who actually stated that he believed that fraud was involved:
Mike Claims Vote ‘Fraud’
"If you want to call it significant undercounting, I guess that's a euphemism for fraud," said the mayor
1 year ago
Anyway, he won! Stop whining and get him elected.
1 year ago
I'm less concerned with Obama's ability to foster inclusiveness than I am with our individual ability to push away potential supporters. As I've said in previous posts, follow Obama's lead.
Be Magnanimous,
Be Empathetic,
Be Knowledgeable,
B. Obama '08
1 year ago
Yes, he won, but as others have said here, it's not really about him, at least not totally. "Whining", huh? What game are you playing? Ostensibly, here to ask us to kiss the asses of white Clinton supporters for the greater good, not to mention let Clinton slide on the race-baiting strategy that was actually used against all of us, but you (and anonymous) can't resist insulting us in the process. Why is that?
1 year ago
Listen, if these people are Democrats, and they are so disturbed by Obama's successful run for the nomination that they intend to vote for McCain, I don't think there's much anyone can do to stop them, especially if they've made that decision based on being offended by what they heard or read someone an Obama supporter say, rather that based on what Obama himself has said They're irrational, and I doubt they can be brought around.
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Please spare me, Danielle. You and "Anonymous" continue to claim that you want to work with people with whom you disagree but it is our fault if you call us ignorant and moronic. If you want to discuss our differences then go ahead but stop the name calling.
1 year ago
Well, we know Hillary wasn't riding or dying for black issues, so your argument is null and void.
Basically you want us (black folk) to kiss your (white women) asses or you'll "withhold" your vote.
If you're not going to vote for Barack Obama because of what black bloggers said, you weren't going to vote for him anyway. Let's stop this silly game.
You are saying you won't vote for Obama unless YOU have the upper hand. Well guess what? You don't have the upper hand. If you did, Hillary would be the nominee, period.
Hillary Clinton and her campaign and fanatical supporters did a LOT of damage and just because Hillary said "Um, ok, yeah, go Barack. Ok." does not mean she and her crew gets let off the hook.
You cannot tell me that Barack Obama did not get not even ONE vote in Harlem. I betcha if you went back and looked at the results from the 2000 and 2004 elections George Bush got at least 1 vote. So we know that Clinton and her gang were riding dirty in Harlem.
Personally I expect B. Clinton to move his office out of Harlem b/c he didn't want to be there in the first place. It was just cheaper. Time will tell.
At any rate, what Hillary and her gang did was damaging not only to black politicians on the rise, but any non-white, non-straight and non-right kind of Christian candidate.
How many black politicians are now wondering if their churches are liabilities? It's only a matter of time before a black politician running in a non-black district is asked why they are going to a BLACK church anyway?
Look at all the speculation on whether or not Obama was Muslim or not. Somewhere, there's a young American who is Muslim who just reconsidered serving his community because of the anti-Muslim attitude going on.
I personally believe the race baiting is what made Bill Richardson run away from the Clintons, because if they're pulling that race game on Obama, they would pull it on him, too. Look at how much more publically nasty the Clinton crew was to Richardson when he defected, than when whites like Robert Reich defected. Don't think that wasn't noticed by non-black minorities, either.
So it can't be forgotten, because Hillary and them were literally trying to put non-white candidates in the back of the bus. And if you're a Hillary supporter and think, "well that's just politics, live with it," remember, that playbook could be used against women, too.
Any Hillary supporter who comes on a pro-black, pro-Obama blog with an attitude is just trying to get justification why they shouldn't vote for Obama. I say "woman up" and just don't vote for Obama. I'm not voting for McCain and I'm not in emotional distress or doing mental backflips trying to force myself to vote for McCain; I'm just not.
Anyone who claims "that blog was mean to me and so I'm not voting for X," wasn't going to vote for that candidate anyway, so cut the games.
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And you guys really should not feed the trolls. I've been lurking for a while, and what I've seen is about as far from ignorant as Hillary has been from being gracious.
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She had a hard time saying Barack's name because for most of the primary she called him "my opponent" refusing to say his name.
Here's what I know:
If he puts her on his ticket, he will lose. For sure.
If he doesn't put her on his ticket, her "acolytes" will do everything in their power to make sure he loses. They are already making that crystal clear and nothing she said yesterday is going to change that.
This is what we must do:
Get To Work to Make Sure He Wins
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The Clintons use of racial polarization is nothing new and for folks to hold so much hatred for them indicates to me that they feel that their hope is in the Clintons' hands. You're holding too much disdain for someone who lost. You should fee sorry for them.
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Dude, I don't think so. These people have put a festering sore on the Democratic party that I can only pray will heal in time for November.
Here's where your little theory is wrong: We, as citizens, as voters, have a right to demand two important things from our politicians, Accountability & Clarity (I bit this from Arianna Huffington, just saw her speak about a month & a half ago). So, that means, you should hold your candidate Accountable for what they say, how they behave, run their campaign, represent you while in office, etc. And when they're not conducting themselves in a way that you consider acceptable, you hold them responsible for their actions or inaction, not accept excuses. Secondly, if they're doing something that you may not quite understand or agree with, you should demand clarity from them on how they're addressing issues. If you're not clear on how or why they're going about something from a particular angle, you ask them to explain themselves. Make them CLARIFY. Only then, can you make an informed decision on whether or not the person is still worthy of your support or vote. And you know what? The way Hilary Clinton ran her campaign doesn't stand up to either my accountability or clarity tests, she can't possibly give a satisfactory response to justify some of the hatred that she delibrately injected into this contest.
In other words, you don't just give people a free pass on shit when they've behaved horribly, especially the way this woman has gone about it. This was one of the nastiest campaigns in Democratic history. Her behavior was unconscionable & if I was Barack, she'd never hold any position in my Cabinet. She has no integrity, it's horrible. She cannot be trusted. She's proven it.
And you say we should feel sorry for them? What?! You're funny...
I will say though, that here in Los Angeles, I've been an active Obama volunteer, & I am willing to work with any former Clinton supporters in order to defeat McCain in November. I don't really hold a grudge against most of her supporters in the same way I hold HRC responsible.
So, while yeah, the bigger picture is important, I don't think anyone that's expressing ill will towards the Clintons, is saying that they won't work with some of her supporters in order to drum up support for Barack in the fall.
We just saying we ain't about to play Step n Fetch It while we're at it, stroking egos & catering to hurt feelings and what not.
I'll work with anyone in order for the common goal of an Obama victory, independents, Obama-cans, Clinton supporters, come one, come all. But leave the bitterness at home, because we don't have time for it.
Let's get a Dem back in the White House ya'll. GO OBAMA!!!
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Look at you! Just putting it down!
I love it! Preach it!
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is that they needed to treat the black base with white kid gloves just
as Obama treated Hillary and her supporters. Their failure to do this
has brought about her negative legacy.
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This is why I have always been a skeptic of Black Bougie people, they only think about themselves and will pretend that their intrests represents the Black collective when it clearly doesn't.
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You are making an assumption which is really not true. I disapprove of many of their policies, not only abroad, but in the US as well. They created policies which definitely did not benefit Black America but unfortunately many here in the US don't realize that. I was making a general statement as to why they lost the Black vote here. Most of the people on this blog already understand the Clinton's negative policies.
1 year ago
As a person of color and participant of this year's democratic party's election I am left feeling injured. Many people are not going to care about this at all and many people will know what I mean. If you don't care about this then stop reading now and go about your life.
I got engaged in this election early on and have donated time, money, and effort to Obama's campaign. I did this for the similar reasons that Clinton's supporters did. I was running towards change, disheartened by the state of our nation, war, and the failing economy. I am truly invested in living in a nation I am proud of. So I know what Michelle was talking about- screw the pomp and circumstance. Again, I wasn't working against Hillary, I was working for Barrack. Like many I was familiar with the Clinton's brand and their great track of effort working for people of color. [In retrospect, I'll need to look into this some more because it is hard to believe now...]
The media attention on Hillary and the hurt and disappointment of her constituency has left me angry. Most of the pain that I feel is what her process did to the election, to our nominee, and to the country. Hillary Clinton and her surrogates injected racial and gender divisiveness intentionally and in the worst possible ways. The high road was a path never taken by the Clinton campaign, as it was the low road they expected to win on. Once it was clear that Obama was not going to misstep, at least not as often as Hillary Clinton, they endeavored to throw salt into national wounds by pitting men against women, whites against everyone else. She had a number of times to affirm her values on race and racism, and she resisted showing her leadership- because the open wound helped her favorables. If anyone should have shown leadership, it was SHE with all of her experience. She the role model. She a former first lady. She a Senator. What did the little girls learn after watching this primary? Gender trumps race, and apparently no one experiences these issues as much as white women. Puhlease.
Sexism helped her in numerous ways. What would have happened if Obama had that tearful moment in New Hampshire? Our sexist cultural norms would have everyone call him soft and not capable of leading a nation. Through the same sexist lens Clinton Feminists saw that as a moment where her truth emerged- an enlightened, benevolent leader. Yeah I didn't see her screaming HEY THAT WAS SEXIST!!!! In fact when Obama responded to the personal attacks she proclaimed, “If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen” even though she regularly complains about the heat…
Now the primary is over, her people are pissed but they were not the ones ATTACKED by the Obama campaign, MSM yes- Obama, no. Obama and his constituents WERE ATTACKED by the Clintons, MSM, and their supporters. We were called idealists, stupid, naive, then in the same breath academics, cult like, or racist for wanting to see someone other than a white person win the white house. Anyone wanted to see the role of position evolve were thought of as ridiculous saps that know nothing of the importance… Apparently Barrack couldn’t field a 3am phone call but Hillary was talking loopy at 11pm. Supposedly, black people only voted for him because of race- erasing any possibility that there are intelligent people of color who also see his merits, not to mention white people, her peers, who said NO to the Hillary. White women however, never got polled about voting because of Hillary’s gender…
This is not to say Hillary was not mistreated by the media, but her history in this country, especially having to do to with the Clinton machine, campaign strategy, and professional style has made a long list of enemies- Barrack had NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. She did NOT walk in with a clean slate. But instead of elevating the issues, like Obama did with his speech on race, she did nothing. She blamed, she deflected, she lied, and she did not apologize.
Now there are all these white women- sorry but I have to say it. I can say "women," but frankly we live in a racial divided country whether white people recognize it or not. Whites have the privilege of being invisible, regarded the standard that every non white is compared to, so when the media says women they mean WHITE women. Racial groups are apparently not gendered, so I will claim my own groups- Latina and female. WHITE WOMEN are upset, now here we go... let's draw all of our attention on them, their needs, their desires, their dreams, and their feelings and to hell with what I need.
Aside from needing a real leader in the White House, I need white women to acknowledge that their fight resulted in stepping on- scratch that- TRAMPLING on people of color, including women of color in order to have their say. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had their say, because they should. What I am saying is that right now I am so ANGRY because white women, ruffed me up for a year and now you want Barrack Obama to apologize to you? Kiss your ass for your vote? I should try and win you? You get the covers of magazines, the benefit of the standard of beauty, and everything else and I should what? Try and get you to vote for YOUR ISSUES?
In recent history there have been a number of moments where whites and people of color (and people with critical consciousness on race in the AmeriKKKa) have our racial truths emerge NATIONALLY as a sick country. The OJ Simpson trial comes to mind, and now we have another moment where blacks and whites sit on opposite sides of the fence. With this moment in time however, my beef is SPECIFICALLY with white women.
They- WHITE WOMEN'S RACISM aka WHITE FEMINISM has picked a wound we were all too polite to pay any attention to since the 70s. And this wound will forever, I fear, disable our capacity to work together. The fight and the struggle of so many feminists of color were the histories that impacted my view of my own power as a woman. It was what I had to read to recognize that my culture does not always fall in sync with white America, and that’s ok I’m still a feminist. Over this last year, I actually feel what women whom I see as she-roes experienced- white women not giving a shit about us. It's about their lives, their experiences, their dreams, and their desires- in tact and without regard for other's struggles despite the fact that they run congruently or parallel to theirs. Forget about we. On the road Hillary was saying me first, party second. White feminists were saying- white women first and the hell with the rest, including women of color.
For you people who are saying that we should get over it, I have to say respectfully. FUCK YOU. My silence for so long allowed you to believe you can dominate me. Our country is where it is because of the countless number of times you completely disregarded my people's needs, dreams, and will. True feminism invokes dialogue but you didn’t want to dialogue- you wanted a Hillary Clinton fight.
I want an apology for the dirty fight, the selfish fight, the racist fight that Hillary Clinton and her supporters waged. Every time a Clinton feminist joined in on Reverend Wright racism, you said I don’t have respect for sisters of color. Hit the WIKI for 49 others reasons… and give me some more time, I’ll think of some more reasons in addition to that. You all owe ME an apology.
I could care less about your individual votes. I will work with you on this election because it is bigger than just me, but I need to heal too. Let me just say that a Presidential win will not be enough to get over this beef.
1 year ago
I really feel sorry for you. God bless you lady.
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You rock!
hahahahahahahahaha
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The only change I would make to your statement is that RACE always trumps
gender. WHITE is actually the key.
They are hiding behind feminism and sexism but the fact that they are WHITE means they are entitled. We all deserve an apology but that will not be forthcoming any time in the near future.
1 year ago
Focusing on South Carolina is an attempt at turning blacks into selfish people who only care about themselves and personal attacks towards them -- top down.
To focus on Iowa would be to acknowledge how Obama touched ordinary whites, and how ordinary whites changed blacks' minds -- bottom up.
Some people don't want to give up top-down thinking, the old politics , the old identity divisions. They want to make smaller white support of Obama and make larger black support of Obama, so that ultimately the Clintons fuck-ups become not only center stage but a simple matter of speaking in a way in which they were misunderstood. That's what the insistence on South Carolina means to me.
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I don't disagree with you, but that was the lesson that white girls learned. People of color learned a different lesson from this moment in history.