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Re: The Debate That Wasn’t - Smells like Bullshyt

Honey01 — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:56:00 -0000

I have'nt been on DailyK's website much lately unless someone here links to it since the whole FISA thing.

Francis, they are alot illuminating points in your article. However, the funniest thing I learned was he went on a "honeymoon". No offense, but I always just assumed otherwise...

Makes you wonder too regarding his stance on against all gays in the military. The phrase that comes to mind, "doth thy protest too much".

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rikyrah — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:11:13 -0000

but, not the baby, ms. martin.

I only shudder to think how such a child would be treated by parents who don't want to be Black in the first place.

don't wish that on the baby. cause Lord knows what would happen if there's only one ' throwback' baby amongst a brood of ' what are yous?'

I only say this because I thought of she same prospect for a certain Hollywood actress and her husband, who both run from their ' side of color' as hard as they can. I was thinking, ' well, you never know with genetics', then realized that the cosmic ' joke''s brunt would be placed upon the child, who is innocent.

so, let him have his light-bright-get-rid-of-that-BLACK baby.

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CPL — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:41:27 -0000

And Ford was supposed to provide the African-American perspective on things.

Yeah, Right.

I called bullshyt on that, too. And last night, we got in the grill of homegirl who organized this conference and almost had her in tears, especially holding this conference in a heavily Latino population area and even fewer Latinos were there than African-Americans.

They said they don't like the word "diversity". When pressed for an answer, they didn't have one, and we called bullshyt on that, too. There were eight Black bloggers in the lobby of the Hilton, having our own confab, and a white guy came over because he wanted to see what we were discussing.

They ALL got more than they bargained for and probably won't try that again. LOL

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Town — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:30:24 -0000

How dare she feel like an outsider, when her roommate only tried her darndest to get away from her because she's black!

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Sepia — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:31:07 -0000

I guess he doesn't realize that genetics are a mutha and he could end up having a "throw back baby".

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Slave Revolt — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:36:19 -0000

In my view you should have thrown a few punches Ford's way--this would have sealed your fame going forward. More, as this would have made national corporate news headlines, you could have used the situation as a way to highlight the mendacity of the DLC republicrats.

Sure, you would have spent a few nights in jail--which would have been good fodder for the blog. King spent time in jail and he developed a great essay from the situation.

Indeed, I am from the Pather school of political activism. Would it be too much for these 'lefty' bloggers to invite a former Panther? The best they could do is invite Harold Ford, Jr. Jeez.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:48:03 -0000

Well said. I'd like to add that focusing in your opponent in a negative manner will lose it too.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:41:36 -0000

Yes it did. Of course they have nothing negative to report about Michelle so they threw in the "she speaks her mind" and her Princeton paper about feeling like an outsider.

The negative reporting surrounding the paper blows my mind. She's somehow supposed to be wrong for saying she felt like an outsider when some 20 plus years later, they're still still trying to make the Obamas seem like outsiders. Oh the fucking irony.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:36:17 -0000

Lawd, that would serve his ass right.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:35:19 -0000

Bruce I hadn't see this comment when I posted a response above about him. I saw a blog post on this. There was an aunt who is an attorney somewhere in New York that wouldn't go along with the story.

I think he just desires to be white, or as close to it as he can get. I imagine he married white to get the lineage of his descendants closer to white.

Re: The Debate That Wasn’t - Smells like Bullshyt

msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:32:36 -0000

Reminds me of a blog post I read about him trying to pass his grandmother off as a white woman passing for black.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:19 -0000

Thanks for that story 99. I guess my intuition is spot on.

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CPL — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:25:02 -0000

The "finding common ground" only works when both sides put their cards on the table. We didn't see that yesterday. In fact, the whole "debate" was nothing more than a lovefest between Markos and Harold. For someone who eviscerated Obama's changing on FISA, not to mention raking Harold Ford over the coals for being anti-gay, Markos has sure changed his tune regarding the Dark Sith.

You get rid of grudges when apologizies, restitution and repentence are on the table. Harold Ford brought none of that yesterday - he and Markos are pay for play on both sides of the fence, where there is opportunity to advance their own self-serving agendas.

One is a former ReThug and the other aspires to be a ReThug, under the cover of looking like a Democrat. When it comes to the real deal, both are suspect.

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TRW — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:24:01 -0000

LMAO. Look, I don't have anything against Cindy. She obviously has done a lot of good in her life with her work as a special education teacher, and her humanitarian work with disaster relief. But, but, if people are going to complain about "fluff" pieces on the Obamas, then I call bull about that piece of "fluff" on Cindy McCain. Not only was she stealing meds from her own organization, but the doctor who was writing fake prescriptions for her lost his license, and the McCain campaign tried to get the whistleblower charged with extortion after he filed a wrongful termination claim against Cindy.

So yeah, maybe her Mama expressing concern did cause her to have a change of heart about her illegal drug use, but that most certainly wasn't the only thing to this story.

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Lily — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:19:11 -0000

I can always count on you to break it down in understandable terms! LOL

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99PercentSure — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:17:34 -0000

BHP, obviously you're aware that Obama ascribes to the same political axiom:

What is the best strategy for building majority support for a progressive agenda, and for reversing the rightward drift of this country?

One important part of that strategy - and on this I think we agree - is for progressives within the Democratic Party to describe our core values (e.g. racial justice, civil liberties, opportunity for the many, and not just the few) in clear, unambiguous terms.

A second part of that strategy - and again, I think we agree here - is to stake out clear positions on issues that put those values into action (e.g. the need for universal health care), and to stand up for those values when they are under assault (e.g. opposition to the Patriot Act).

But the third part of this part of the equation – and on this we may disagree – must be to gain converts to our positions. My job, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, isn’t to scold people for their lack of ideological purity. It’s to persuade as many people as I can, across the ideological spectrum, that my vision of the future is compatible with their values, and can make their lives a little bit better. Thus, while I may favor common-sense gun control laws, that doesn’t keep me from reaching out to NRA members who are worried about their lack of health insurance. I favor affirmative action, but I’m still going after the votes of white union members who oppose affirmative action, because I think I can convince them that it’s Bush’s economic agenda, and not affirmative action, that is eroding their job security and stagnating their wages. And while I may object to the misogyny and materialism of much of rap culture, I’m still going to spend the time reaching out to a hip-hop generation in search of a future.

In other words, I believe that politics in any democracy is a game of addition, not subtraction. And I believe deeply enough in the decency of the American people to think that progressives can build a winning majority in this country, so long as we’re not afraid to speak the truth, and so long as we don’t write off big chunks of the electorate just because they don’t agree with us on every issue.

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99PercentSure — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:09:50 -0000

From The Black Commentator, dated June 26,2003: Obama has name removed from DLC List -

Barack Obama will not be carrying the Democratic Leadership Council’s baggage in his race to become the second Black person to represent Illinois in the U.S. Senate. The state senator and professor of constitutional law has told The Black Commentator that he is acting to have his name stricken from the “New Democrats Directory,” a list of several hundred DLC-affiliated elected officials.

"I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend. “It does appear that, without my knowledge, the DLC…listed me in their ‘New Democrat’ directory,” Obama continued. “Because I agree that such a directory implies membership, I will be calling the DLC to have my name removed, and appreciate your having brought this fact to my attention.”

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The Bag of Health and Politics — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:56:13 -0000

Finding common ground wins elections; holding grudges and living in the past doesn't. It's as simple as that.

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Sombody_took_my_username — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:47:39 -0000

Hilarious. And then there was the woman in his town hall who pointed out that they lost that war.

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adriana01 — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:05:35 -0000

What's wrong w/ Ford?

He lost me when he married that fashion designer... of all the beautiful black women in Tennessee... he chose her boney butt.

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msmartin — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:39:35 -0000

I bet they did try to make him part of their camp; I'm sure at one time that must have seemed like a lucrative partnership for black politicians who wanted to be successful on the national level, but Senator Obama is far to intelligent to be led by the Clintons.

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CraigHickman — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:25:45 -0000

Brilliant.

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Jay — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:37:33 -0000

OMG! That was the funniest post I've read all week...I just spit out my drink. LMAO!

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bison1 — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:43:58 -0000

The tone of the narrative rreally favored Cindy.

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bison1 — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:39:57 -0000

Really! He just married!