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I've been more then clear on my blog that I will actively campaign AGAINST the woman if she gets the nod.
And I mean it.
The days of "Yes Massa" are over. Like I've said many times before:
My momma says you teach people how to treat you. Well the Clintons and by extension the Democratic Party are in desperate need of a lesson.
This is stupid math:
First non-Cuban Latinos were voting 66-33 for Kerry in 2004, it's not exactly like there's a lot of room to pick off there.
Second, while Latinos may be getting close to even with blacks in terms of population, they do not vote at anywhere near the level blacks do, making them a smaller chunk of the electorate.
Any Democrat needs BOTH Latinos and blacks to win the Presidency.
Hillary, in my estimation, will no get strong support from the black community. This will only be worse if they down play South Carolina is not really counting because of the black vote. I say to her, or any other Democrat in that situation, try to win Ohio without Cleveland. Try to win Pennsylvania without Philadelphia. Try to win Michigan without Detroit. Try to win Illinois without Chicago.
And that is why this is matters. As I wrote on my blog today, I believe the party is irreparably split, and that Clinton will lose in November. The only way she wins in my view is a one-term pledge with Obama on the ticket.
If this keeps, up she's Destroying the Democratic Party By Winning At All Costs
And can I just add this is why I am lovin' the Obama run for the White House. It has become the ultimate "Who Ya Wit?" moment where you get to see the House Negroes and folks like the Clinton's who have played black folks for years finally get revealed.
Win or lose, Obama has changed the game and God bless him for that.
Thanks for putting into eloquent words how I've been feeling reading "progressive" blogs and forums lately. The sentiment many (almost always Clinton supporters) have towards the South Carolina primary is disgusting because of their condescension and prejudiced attitudes. They also continually conflate reactions of blacks in general with the Obama campaign and complain of people being "overly sensitive." I think if Hillary wins the nomination they are in for an unpleasant surprise come November.
Why I Should Be Our Next President
By Yo Mama Bin Barack
http://www.indyeastend.com/1editorialbody.lasso?-token.folder=2008-01-23&-token.story=72453.113117&-nothing
I sent a letter to the editor - and this is the response I received
Dear Linda,
I wanted to personally respond to you as co-publisher and co-owner of The
Independent. Our "Low Tidings"
humor column was way off the mark and we sincerely apologize for this shoddy
attempt at satire. I hope you will
find it in your heart to forgive us -- we are a multicultural employer (our
highest paid employee happens to be a
man of color) and this crude attempt at humor was obviously offensive and in
retrospect should never have been
printed. We have pulled it from the Internet and an apology will be posted.
Rick Murphy
The link is still "live" today, and if you need a copy, let me know. Here'a a few quotes from the article:
I hope people will call me Doctor YoMama. In fact, I hope someday people will call me President Doctor YoMama (but please don't call me Luther, I hate that name).
I was telling this very thing to my wife AliBama the other night while we were in bed, umm, praying. I said, "AliBama, I want to be your next president so together we can begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today."
And she said, "YoMama, then why don't you cut out the president shit and get a real job and make some freakin' money?" But I explained I have plenty of money, because bleeding heart liberal Democrats from all across this vast country of ours have felt it in their hearts to send a contribution to my campaign so I can begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today and also because I need to buy my little daughter Bama Slamma a PlayStation so she will get off my back.
And on Hiliary and women in general
Ultimately, if she gets too close, one of my New York advisors has advised me to, "Bitch slap that ho." White women, I am told, like that. (Black women, on the other hand, do not. I tried that once on AliBama and she beat the living shit out of me.)
"Black people in America don't suffer from a lack of accomplishment. They suffer from a lack of recognition of their accomplishments."
Albert Murray
Come on....it's satire. It's not as serious as you want to make it.
Check out this loser in Slate:
Synopsis: in order to escape his electoral "ghetto," Obama has to pick a fight with a "Sista Souljah" (aka a black boogeyman/woman) to prove to white people that he's not like those other black people. He suggests that Obama reject race conscious policy.
Conservatives and neo-liberals are a good source of entertainment.
Very well said. I share your thoughts.
Linda:
Thanks for the exposure of that racist humor.
D:
Seems that theres no racist humor that's out of bounds for you. Does your political allegiance have any bounds?
The author of that article makes a point: if Obama is supposed to be the candidate of healing and "change" (and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that entails), what bigger example of healing and change would there be than killing off a system that may well have outlived its usefulness?
Not to mention the fact that such a move would force those African Americans who seem to want to vote for him "just because he's black" to actively look at some of the issues and not just make a monolithic decision. And is there really any harm in that?
I just don't see racism in every single thing said. That piece, at least when I read it, was clearly meant to be humorous.
Your assertion is a classic example of begging the question. That is, assuming facts that are not in evidence.
This is the logical conclusion of your claim.
I would guess that a far greater number are voting for that reason than anyone's comfortable admitting.
I just don't see racism in every single thing said. That piece, at least when I read it, was clearly meant to be humorous.
What do you call two blacks on one bike?
-- Organized crime!
Why are niggers getting stronger?
-- T.V.s are getting bigger!
What happened to the nigger who had an abortion?
-- Crime Stoppers sent her a check for $500!
... so were these, D.
That's overtly racist. Complete difference between those jokes and what's in that article.
Sorry, didn't poll it. I know that there's a lot of people within my circle who, when asked, gave that as a reason for voting for him.
I'm not going to go so far as to assume that anyone reading this blog is voting for Obama just because he's black, as everyone here seems to be well informed. But you're lying to yourself if you think that there's not a sizable segment of the African American population who just want to see a black man do well, and will use/are using that as their ONLY rationale for supporting Obama.
Had Kaus merely written that Obama (and everyone else) should support class-based preferences over race based ones because it is a better policy, there'd be no problem; but he argues that Obama should do it to convince hostile white voters that he is "not like the others...that he's a special negro."
Such "hostile" white people are not worth pandering to--they wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.
I'm offended that Kaus is applying the media rule that holds that any time a black person is challenging for national political office, he or she has to denounce some "extremist" (by mainstream white standards) black person to make white people comfortable. It's the height of white arrogance and privilege, and it's a bunch of bull.
What I'm questioning is your broad assertion regarding black voters and Obama. Yes, there are black voters who are going to vote for Obama because he is black but so what? Do these voters comprise a large part of the black electorate or not?
So? What's your point? Why are you so focused on your perceived assumptions about black voters? They are not beholden to you. AND they don't have to justify their votes to anyone.
If you are concerned about black voters, either win them over like politicians do to any other constituency. Or suppress them, which has been the republican method of late.
Repealing affirmative action would be a healing move? Ha! To people like you, healing acts are the ones that result in soothing only white people.
Again, don't know what part of the electorate they comprise. I'm just saying that they exist. And for Obama to take a view that could be seen as radically counter to African American opinion would force those voters to take a closer look at him.
Gordon,
Some of those who would be considered extremist by non-African American standards would be considered extremist by mine. And if Obama chose to distance himself from that form of thought-least in my opinion-that wouldn't be a bad thing. It's not about justifying yourself to white voters; it's about coming away from the fringes, or not allowing the fringes to perpetuate the myth that just 'cause a brotha's gonna be president, everything's gonna be alright.
Billary has got a lesson cominf if they get the nomination by pandering to whites and throwing folks like me under the bus. I've seen it before-Sista Souljah, welfare reform, and crack vs. cocaine sentencing. I will not be fooled again. I can stay home or vote for the sure to run third party guy (Bloomberg) if Billary gets the nomination. So Billary should start thinking, perhaps consult Chelsea, as to how the minds of younger blacks are working. The days of slavishly voting for the Dems are over.
That's overtly racist. Complete difference between those jokes and what's in that article.
Dude, the only difference between overtly racist jokes and subtle racist jokes is that some will put in some extra effort to hide their bigotry.
Just because that photoshop of the Obamas didn't use slurs, doesn't mean that it's not racially offensive. Same with "lynch him in an alley"; same with a noose on the cover page of Golfweek Magazine.
Some shyt just ain't funny. And I don't care if white people feel party-pooped about it.
The President of the United States needs to appeal to all Americans as individuals.
Obama is at his best when he speaks about change and looks to the future with optimism.
In 1980, Barak Obama was able to vote in his first presidental election. His comments about Reagan were right. Its OK to admire Reagan for his ability to connect with the American people. Reagan made many of us feel empowered. Reagan made many of us feel good about being American and optimistic about the future. Reagan made may of us feel like we could achieve our goals.
"When you lie down with pigs, yo both get dirty...and the pigs like it."
Time to take a shower and wash the Bush/Clinton/Bush era down the drain.
I'm not too terribly concerned about black voters, because they're most likely not going to vote for any candidate that I support (the theory being that most African Americans vote democratic. Though I'm an independent, I don't). Unless Clinton gets the nomination, and then it becomes a vote against her, instead of a vote based on the actual issues. Which, in a sense, doesn't accomplish anything.
My thought of repealing affirmative action isn't designed to "soothe white people." Rather, it's communicated so that some elements of society that have used it as a crutch-or as the basis for a lawsuit-will actually take some responsibility for themselves, and fight out life like the rest of us have to.
Course, for any black person to say that, they're immediately relegated to "Uncle Ruckus" status. Guess I'll never be elected to office....
Ronnie,
"Lynch him in a back alley" wasn't that big a deal to me. Hell, I've said worse when just firing off my mouth. It became even less of a big deal when Tiger said it was a non-issue.
What I'm really getting at here (and will probably post in my blog about) is that people sometimes do stuff without thinking (the lynching comment) or they do stuff because they want to get a rise out of people. It adds to their notoriety. You want to kill off that type of sentiment; look at it, see it for what it is-someone's twisted sense of humor, and move on. But it severely bothers me that in 2007, some of us can't see enough past ourselves to think that, just maybe, everyone's not fronting racism anymore.
That's not me saying that racism doesn't exist anymore-I've had my one run in with it-but it's not in every statement/cartoon/speech as some would like it to be.
You've got Joseph Lowery and Jesse Jackson who are from that Great Generation and have aligned themselves with optimism. Then you have those (who shall remain nameless) who are pessimistic: "Only a Massa like LBJ or Bill Clinton can advance colored peoples...dis country aintz ready for no black president."
And of course some of these pessimists are optimists...They're optimistic about their own financial gains, getting the hook-up from the KKKlintons.
My advice to all of these chumps is to look at the Bush Chumps of 2004...All of the Black Preachers who went along with the gay marriage-wedge issue expecting some Faith-Based Dividends. CNN did a special report a few days ago about how Bush left them all "high and dry," yet thanks to their support, Bush carried Ohio and thousands of more Americans had to die in Iraq...In my mind, there is a special place in HEEL for those preachers who sold out to Bush.
I suspect that Billary would leave these chumps "high and dry" too...unfortunately, the Clintons are not going to get a chance to prove it.
I don't see people using AA as a crutch. I don't know of anyone who's said they'll half-ass school because they have AA around the corner. People who want to go to college will work hard either way, from what I know, and if they're a first-gen college student, like I am, they're usually even more motivated to succeed in HS and move on to college with a strong resume.
I think AA is an acknowledgment that there is apparent prejudice against dispossessed groups of Americans who deserve the same shot as white Christian males have gotten at a better education and better prospects, not just some crutch. Fighting out life doesn't mean we have to accept prejudice as both inevitable and indomitable.
Also updated the Nevada Caucus Shenanigans section of the Wiki, with news of Obama's formal complaint to the Nevada Democratic Party.
Oh, that's good.
Personally I hope that blacks will finally leave the democratic party behind, and move to a position of independence, and independent thinking. It's in our best interest as a community to serve notice to both parties that we're looking out for self...no longer beholding to any political party.
Anyway this site is jammin!
Do you think Obama will be asked to be VP as a way to 'unify' the party?
Will he accept? Should he accept?
These 'tensions' and 'dislikes' have a way of disappearing once the nominee is selected.
Will blacks still vote Democrat with Obama on the ticket?
Do you think Obama will be asked to be VP as a way to 'unify' the party?
No.
Will he accept? Should he accept?
No and Hell naw!
These 'tensions' and 'dislikes' have a way of disappearing once the nominee is selected.
Will blacks still vote Democrat with Obama on the ticket?
Some will, but others will stay home or, as I have seen many, many Democrats state, they will vote for John McCain if he is the nominee.
Of course, anything can happen in the next 6 months, but I think the Clintons have sorely underestimated the intelligence of a LOT of African American voters.
Jonathan Alter has an interesting article in Newsweek:
The Clintons' Patronizing Strategy: The latest attacks on Obama insult voters' intelligence.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/101173
I also think that the Clintons have already made a decision about who they want for vp,(hence the dirty tactics with Obama). That person has probably committed, and probably is hispanic.
That being said I don't think Obama will except, and why should he considering how high Hillary's negatives are among white voters, and now blacks. On her best day she gets 46-47% of the vote, and that's not enough to win the white house.
The Clintons are banking on the fact that blacks will return in the general. And I believe that they've been given that assurance by black leaders in the CBC.
In short, if Obama wins on Saturday and then goes on to compete well in other states it will get even nastier.
Right... the same CBC with no members under 35 - or probably even under 45!
They may have a handle on black senior citizens, but I think younger and many independent black voters and black voters who never voted before (new college age voters and older disaffected voters) will surprise them.
And, if the NYTimes comments section is any indication (after the NY times endorsed HRC for the Dem nod, there are many white voters who will surprise them as well...
They may try to write off SC as the "angry black vote" but they still have to contend with the rest of America.
The Clinton's are finally showing their "true colors" as are these so-called Progressives. Did you expect anything else?
For all of you who actually assumed that the Clintons and these so-called Progressives had your best interests at heart, I will pray for you.
On issue after issue, as long as we were kept in the background until needed to vote for whatever Democrat was thrown in front of us, as we listened to homilies about the issues of concern without any mandates to make the necessry changes, we were the necessary burden that they had to bear.
How dare these Black folks demand accountability? How dare these Black folks state they have as much right to be heard? It's not time to take theem out of the closet yet.
For every issue of importance to us, we have been marginalized and dismissed with homilies about doing better THE NEXT TIME. How many more next times are we supposed to wait?
Were we listened to or even acknowledged when we vehemently opposed the Iraq War? How about immigration? Has even the Congressional Black Caucus, meaning hedging their bets by supporting the Clintons in fear of losing their "influence", selling us down the river. What will immigration do to help working class African-Americans accept take away the scarce jobs we have now?
Yes, open the door, pull us out, but keep your mouths shut and doe as your told.
Not only are the Clintons showing their true colors, but these people who consider themselves Progressives. A long contemplative look into their mirrors should make them pause as they in their own ways continue to tell us to stay in our place.
Pictures of Billary with ...
TONY REZKO!
You know, Obama's best friend, the Chicago slumlord.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm
'I DON'T REMEMBER MEETING REZKO'
Fri Jan 25 2008 07:40:02
**INTERNET EXCLUSIVE**
Photo surfaces of smiling Clintons with Tony Rezko.
MORE...
Clinton injected the indicted developer's name this week in debate with Obama: 'I was fighting against those ideas when you were practicing law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago.'
Clinton tells NBC 'TODAY' show on Friday: 'I probably have taken hundreds of thousands of pictures. I don't know the man. I wouldn't know him if he walked in the door.'
Developing...
Its only function is too ask how low to bend or which way when approached by corporations and other interest groups than AA to support their issues.
These are sell-outs from way back. I am 55 years old, and do not support any of the CBC members. These people are a disgrace and have not firmly stood up for the AA community for years. Their new masters: corporations who tell them which issues to vote on to hurt us. Check out the records of your local CBC member, you would be truly amazed.
Yes, they are committing hari-kari, but we are the ones with the knives in our backs.
I really don't give a dayum what the CLintons do. I've found PEACE regardless of the Democratic-nomination outcome. OBAMA will have other options if they steal the nomination.
Will he accept? Should he accept?
He should decline the VP spot from the Clintons. Accepting it would destroy his own credibility. He would fare much better running as an Independent. I disagree with those who say that he would be unable to run as a Democrat in 2012 if he left the party to be an independent in 2008. There are clear principles at stake here...The Clintons care about the Clintons, not America.
These 'tensions' and 'dislikes' have a way of disappearing once the nominee is selected.
Will blacks still vote Democrat with Obama on the ticket?
If a majority of my people supported the Clintons in spite of ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE UP TO NOW, (self-censorship).
Thanks for pointing out the Jonathan Alter article. My intelligence has been insulted.
Maybe *O* needs to start running ads targeted at the so-called "lower scale" demographic...I want to go into the innercity streets with a megaphone and start yelling, "BILL & HILLARY CLINTON Think We're ALL DUMB! THEY think that the only reason we support Barack is because he is black and we are NOT SMART enough to think for ourselves and SEE through their CRAP. I don't know bout YOU, but I'm not SERVIN MASSA!"
I have been emailing this to as many news outlets as I can think of. This deserves a broad audience. One of the best I've ever read. Thanks, girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You damn right! Those bastards have been on "watch" while the Democratic Party as been slowly and methodically supplanting the Black vote with the Latino vote. It's being reported that Sentor Bob Menendez (NJ) is being floated as a VP nominee for Hillary Clinton. It's being printed in her fundraising materials in NJ. Black folks don't just need a clue; we need a kick in our heads for sleeping on these wicked MF's!
No. You need a math tutorial. Have you taken a look at the SW? All she needs to do is pick up the same states that both Kerry and Gore won, and a few SW states to win. With a Latino on the ticket, CO, AZ and NM are in play. She's calculating that Blacks will still vote for her b/c we don't have any more viable options...We will continue to remain in a marriage of convenience with the Democratic Party. But this is one free negro who has decided to be happily single than remain in an unfilling relationship with the Democratic Party. If more Black folks decide to protest by keeping our Black asses at home or voting for Bloomberg (if he gets in), it will cripple her campaign in reliably Blue states like PA. But given the nature of the slave, that's not likely, so her bet on Brown is likely to pay off. Like it or not, we played ourselves by not making her votes more competitive since the 60's. And we ain't got shit to so for it!
You are spot on!
We have been played so often, sometimes it just gets boring to watch as the CBC handkerchief heads roll over while the parties that be continue to throw them a bone.
What will the CBC and its members have to say to the AA community as Hillary who has lied to them time after time, makes a Latino her VP running mate?
Whoever is advising her and calculating that Black folks will vote for her in spite of throwing us away to pick a Latino will be tossed under the train with us. If its these same old tired Negroes who think that we will still support her in fear of the big bad GOP, well we better get ready for another Republican in the White House.
I had said if she is the candidate, I would hold my nose and vote for her, but if she is so calculating that she would pander to Hispanics at the expense of Black folks who did all the dying and crying for civil rights, I will not vote for her at all. Talk about shitting on the run that brought you to the dance, that would be the last straw for me.
Latinos have taken advantage of the gains Black folks have acquired and will do it again if given the chance. For Hillary Clinton to do this would be a catatrophic mistake on her part. Remember when they ask questions about immigration, have you noticed the lack of polling among African Americans? Hillary and her pollsters already know the answer they simply just don't care, and for these CBC members to go along with it tells you all you need to know about them.
As many people are surprised at Clinton, then you will really like what is yet to come.
It pains me that the black establishment that is backing Sen. Clinton is not seeing this or just doesn't care.
Its not just blacks that would vote McCain, stay home or lodge a protest vote with a 3rd party candidate (Green, etc.). Progressive independents of all demographics would also be avoiding Clinton in droves. Her attachment to lobbyists, vote for AUMF and "it took a president" comment make it much harder for progressive independents to see a difference between her and McCain.
I honestly don't see how Clinton (IF she gets the nomination) can win the general. The coalition that she thinks is going to unify behind her would not.
But this election is not over by a long shot. And there are people of good will all over this country that demand the right to judge presidential candidates based on the content of their character.
African Americans weren't valued at three fifths of a white person; they were valued at negative three fifths of a white person. After all, the African Americans didn't get to vote, so for each African American counting as three-fifths of a person, the white electorate got an extra three fifths of a person worth of representation - largely to vote against the interests of that African American.
The 'three fifths' was a compromise with Southerners who wanted African Americans to count fully for representation, which would in effect give them negative one vote each rather than negative three fifths of a vote each. It would be closer to the truth (though still wrong) to say that African Americans were valued at two fifths of a person.
By the way, this system is not completely dead: one good example is that there are a lot of people held in rural prisons, unable to vote anyplace, and because of their imprisonment there representation is apportioned to communities that use the resulting power to vote against social services in the prisoners' urban homes.
> I'm not sure that it's a generational divide...I think that it's an optimism divide.
I was talking to somebody in South Carolina who's on the older side of any generational divide, fairly conservative, and white. And that's exactly why she voted for Obama. From her perspective, the differences on the issues weren't the deciding factor.
What mattered was that it was the first time since 2001 (if not longer) she's believed that there's a chance that things could be different.
And of course that Iowa established that he had a chance to win; excellent points about the strategic wisdom of holding off on committing until seeing that it's a viable campaign.
2) actually no dem elected pres will accomplish squat unless dems pick up at least 5 seats in the senate - to me this is much more important that even winning the WH so the electability key for me is who will best accomplish this goal or least defeat this goal - here i think Sen Obama has the edge
3) true hispanic voters are heavily dem alredy, but need to turn out just like any demographic but the important analysis has to focus on key states Nev, New Mex, Ariz & Colo to name 4
4) neither Senators Obama nor Clinton are progressives - they are both essentially the same centrist republican light democrats that Bill Clinton was and will not lead the country anywhere but more of the same tightening grip of plutocracy
5) on second thought the eternal racist undertow in american politics might be finally be broken by electing Sen Obama (but ??? possibly reinforced ??? if he is nominated but looses)