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Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Lee — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:57:00 -0000

Under NO circumstances will I EVER vote for Billary Clinton for President; and Barack would have to do some serious talking to convince me that I should vote for him if she was on the ticket. Most of my close friends and family feel the same way. I think she is having some kind of mental breakdown. The stuff that comes out of her mouth is frightening.

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JL — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:46:00 -0000

Hey y'all, I'm white, southern, over-30, female and obsessed with Barack Obama. I will NEVER vote for HC because I am deeply offended by her attempt to generate racism in the Democratic Party. Our party, which stands for equality and justice... it is disgusting and unacceptable. Thanks for the great posts... we gotta keep our chins up and keep fighting. YES WE CAN!

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:30:00 -0000

Truth,
President Bush had to endorse McCain, as the leader of the GOP. Stop looking for more than it is. If Clinton I had come out for Gore, Gore would be endorsing this year's democratic nominee.

McCain isn't "all war all the time." Just because someone recognizes the threats to this country and wants to take active steps to keep us safe-rather than just harping on the fact that you were against a war that was well underway before you entered office-does not make McCain a warmonger.

Any president-unless he dies in office-has to, at least for a period of time, live with the consequences of his policy. McCain will be no different.

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:44:00 -0000

@ radical homos

I wonder what Bill's female victims call her? You know...the ones she harassed and investigated?

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:37:00 -0000

@ d.

McCain is an old man and will not have to live with the consequences of his policy. He is all war all the time. He is out of touch...endorsements from Haggee and Bush Jr prove that. He is surrounded by lobbyists and the cachet of dirty money. He may have convictions. but is not courageous in them...which nullifies the convictions in the first place.

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:33:00 -0000

Truth,
Of all the contenders for the presidential nomination-on both sides-McCain is the most qualified to lead this country. My reasons why are over at my site (http://dillarddoctrine.blogspot.com/2008/01/wha... and Komack,

No, Hillary isn't the nominee either. My point is that as Obama tries to position himself as the front runner, he's looking down the road, and ignoring what's in his "rear view." Clinton's wins last night were not expected. If Obama becomes the nominee, he'll get his crack at McCain. Right now, outside of the occasional swipe, he should concentrate his efforts on Clinton. He may be far enough ahead that she can't win outright, but she's close enough to cause him trouble at the convention. That's what he needs to worry about right now.

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Ms.Martin — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:11:00 -0000

I don't know where to begin with my disgust. I think worst of all were the tactics employed in favor of HRC by the CBC members to make a public outcry about threats from African Americans encouraging them to switch their delegate vote and insuating that blacks only voted for Obama because he is black. This is the most reprehensible and unacceptable strategy of them all in my opinion. The CBC member's involvement in this was for one reason only and that makes it even more dispicable. Mind you this outcry came in conjunction with the Muslim conversation, Rezko and the NAFTA debacle which is rumored to have been instituted by Bill Clinton (who was noticeably absent from the scene, unseen but not unheard I'm sure). All of this and the MSM's unrelenting coverage of the issues that Hillary hand fed them along with the BS that she has been unfairly covered when she really hasn't been covered at all; at least not truthfully.

I have begun to wonder if the journalists weren't given a directive to cover Hillary in the most favorable light while they pushed the questions regarding Obama.

The MSM of course explained all the way that the front runner is looked at closer, but I find that that wasn't really what occured. If you all noticed he took the front runner position over two weeks ago with an 11 state win; however, the pressure and negative reporting didn't increase until the weekend leading up to the TX, OH, VT, RI primaries. I truly believe that the strategies employed by the Clinton campaign and surrogates including the MSM coverage and SNL skits that were portrayed as comedy, but in fact where direct criticisms that could be followed up by a laugh and be called poking fun affected these primaries which was evidenced in the shift of traditional Obama supporters. Today they have started reporting that the shift was due to the 3:00 ad in an effort to cover their asses. They have also started the delegates don't really matter and FL and MI should be included campaign. They are all looking to Pennsylvania where the Governor proclaimed on national television that he didn't believe that a white man in Pennsylvania would vote for a black man.

Please understand that the type of change that Senator Obama desires to affect, will not just effect politicians it will get at the very core of what this country is founded on and has built upon for over a century. Those desirous of this change will be faced by incoming missiles from Hillary Clinton and people who hate Hillary Clinton who are desirous of keeping the minority at predesigned levels in this society. All while their staring us right in the face and know that we know what is going on. It it meant to enforce the message that there is nothing that we can do about it.

I have said all of this to say, we might not be able to control the direction that this election has gone in despite the best intentions and efforts of many, many, Americans from all different races, gender and socio economic backgrounds. But those who are offended by this tactic, can do something but contacting the DNC. If somehow Clinton is moved to the nomination on the tide of a nastily ran campaign backed by public officials to further enforce the notion that there is nothing we can do, then we should act by showing them that they can do what they want but they can do it without us. We should not fall in line with what is the most desirable of two wrongs!

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Ronnie B — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:55:00 -0000

Hell, he's trying to attack McCain now...and he'd do well to keep his focus on the fight he's in, rather than the one he wants. Unlike McCain, he ain't the nominee.

Maybe in your political clan, it's bad form to take bold action without permission from the Big House, but in the free world, we talks when we wants to.

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Radical Homos — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:47:00 -0000

Regardless of whether or not Hillary is race baiting, please don't call her a heifer. It is extraordinarily hypocritical, and weakens your argument, to use a sexist slur in a blog against racism. I would like to believe that we are working to end all discrimination, rather than stepping on each other in our race to the top.

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Admiral Komack — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:23:00 -0000

"Unlike McCain, he ain't the nominee."

-And Hillary is?

Why shouldn't Obama go after McCain, the Republican nominee?

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Faith — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:52:00 -0000

There are reports in OH that roads were closed at election polling places with populations concentrated by guess what - non-whites and poor people. So her win was due to voter tampering again! Obama is actually winning despite all the lying and cheating. Wow. Wonder what she did in the other states to tilt things in her favor?

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:48:00 -0000

@ d.

Why are you so invested in him being as corrupt as everyone else? How does that benefit you?

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:43:00 -0000

I hope Obama makes the mistake of coming out swinging against McCain if he's the nominee. Not only would he look stupid, he'd show the world that he's no different from any other ambitious politician.

Hell, he's trying to attack McCain now...and he'd do well to keep his focus on the fight he's in, rather than the one he wants. Unlike McCain, he ain't the nominee.

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Ronnie B — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:07:00 -0000

Having said that, though...I fully expect McCain to test Obama at least once. Will it be the focus of the entire campaign? No, but we all know McCain has a bit of a temper issue.....

I don't think Obama has a problem with being "tested" by McCain's temper. So long as Barack's temper can be expressed by the same standards.

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Craig Hickman — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:38:00 -0000

Anonymous version 5,003 said...

"Trust me, the only way Obama will have a viable political future is if he accepts the VP slot."

::

I don't trust you. I don't know you to trust you. Nor do I agree with you.

I do agree with the person who feels grateful to have been able to see this kind of treachery in full flight.

It seems to may that Clinton's followers are the ones who are delusional or just as treacherous. She and her husband have no integrity whatsoever. To continue to think that she can "save" them from their economic woes or keep their children safe, when, ironically, no candidate has told us what they're going to do about stopping the terrorism in our nation's schools, is to participate in a fairy tale that we know can only end in a nightmare.

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:28:00 -0000

Ronnie,
Fair enough.

Having said that, though...I fully expect McCain to test Obama at least once. Will it be the focus of the entire campaign? No, but we all know McCain has a bit of a temper issue.....

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Ronnie B — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:24:00 -0000

d~

You forget that I don't subscribe to the notion that liberal policies = bad policies.

That said, I agree that McCain probably wouldn't run a gutter campaign, and would--at the most--distance himself from dirty politicking.

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:18:00 -0000

Ronnie,
Doubt it. He doesn't have to. There's enough policy issues with Obama that race will (most likely) be a non-issue.

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TruthSeeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:17:00 -0000

Our choices matter! Have you heard of the blood scandal in Canada?

About 30,000 people infected with Hep-C and HIV from blood products during the 80's. You might be wondering what that has to do with your elections? Guess whose name is right in the middle of it...Bill Clinton. He was Gov. of Arkansas and blood was used from prisoners without adequate screening which ended up shipped to countries around the world. The FDA revoked Arkansas's license but good 'ole Bill is implicated in the continuation of the program. Clinton will not release his records for the time he was Gov. (sound familiar?) He took possession of those papers before running for President.

So, I wonder if anyone knew when they cast a ballot for him that they were underwriting the death of tens of thousands of people? I wonder how many people who voted for Bush jr. knew they were condemning their own children to death in Iraq?

Some wonder why people from all over the world are watching your elections and supporting Obama...well.

OUR CHOICES DO MATTER!

http://serb.org/serbia/bill-clinton-canadian-tainted-blood-scandal.php

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Ronnie B — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:08:00 -0000

A question just popped into my mind:

Would John McCain have run the kind of campaign against Obama that Hillary is running?

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Caged Lion — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:00 -0000

I not only will NOT vote for Hillary, I will actively campaign against her if she gets the nomination.

At this point, Hill may have already created enough of a poison-pill environment that even Obama can't win. In that case, the only solution could be an Obama/Hill ticket or an Obama/Bill ticket. I would vote for obama in the top spot. But any Hill ticket will never cut it.

I know that Obama has a strategy. Someone above pointed out the accurate predictions his team made months ago about the primary results. What is Hillary's strategy at this point?

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Der Vandernder Yid — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:28:00 -0000

Congratulations are in order to Mrs. Clinton. She has won 8 delegates, according to that bastion of Clintonian liberalism, the Wall Street Journal.

In other words, Mrs. Clinton was unable to overcome the 12 delegates that Mr. Obama netted out of Idaho. That's right. Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island, and Vermont combined netted Mrs. Clinton less delegates than Mr. Obama netted in Idaho alone. Nevertheless, this is surely a spectacular victory that will assure her the nomination...

...beware the coming Clinton putsch.

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D. — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:21:00 -0000

nedsag,
Not happening. McCain-Bush would be as bad as Clinton/(blank). Looks bad, sounds bad....nothing good comes out of that ticket.

Besides, I don't think Bush would accept at this point, for the same reason he didn't run: Bush fatigue.

President Bush endorsed McCain because, as the leader of the GOP, he had to. The democrats will try to spin it and say "look, he's Bush the third!!" when if a democrat was president, they'd do the exact same thing, or their candidate wouldn't be viable.

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Phillip M. Bailey — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:19:00 -0000

Jack & Jill, repost big m's comment for real. That's the most succinct view of the consequences of screwing Barack. Read that Hillary supporters.

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Names4Things — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:14:00 -0000

Write the DNC, everyone. Tell them that you will NOT vote for that vile piece of garbage no matter what. Tell them not for VP, not for POTUS, not if she were running for dogcatcher. Remember-- they're counting on the black vote. They already know that more than half of the whites and others won't vote for her.
http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues