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Through The Looking Glass…….

Started by baratunde aka jack turner · 1 year ago

Yesterday, it was Mike Barnicle.

Today, it’s Peggy Noonan.

Sometimes, this campaign has been through the looking glass.

From the Wall Street Journal:

DECLARATIONS

By PEGGY NOONAN

Damsel of Distress

May 9, 2008

This is an amazing story. The Democratic Party has a winner. It has a nominee. ... Continue reading »

46 comments

  • Yeah I saw this happening back in February when after 11 wins they Superdels didn't come out.


    And then really saw the writing on the wall when she didn't win Texas and Ohio with the necessary votes...



    It's gonna be a long summer folks.
  • No, at most it will be a long May.
  • Picking a vice-presidential running mate should be a joyous occassion, like naming a baby. I think the suggestions on this blog have been wonderful, especially from the "Webb" commenter. Maybe Bloomberg can help with Florida. Or Richardson can help with Florida. Whatever. It should be a pleasure for the Obamas, and good Democrats, to think about a ticket we can be proud of.


    Instead Hillary Clinton is ruining this moment, just like she has ruined so much of the goodness of Barack's candidacy. She will fight hard for the vice-presidency, and she will drag this on and on.



    I'm afraid she will fight on at least through the convention in late August, unless the superdelegates tell her to GET OUT OF THE WAY, and Obama will finally be free to return to a high-minded campaign.



    Imagine, a vice-presidential running mate we're actually PROUD TO HAVE... what a dream!
  • Repeat after me, please:


    Hillary Rodham Nixon is a sociopath, she exists in an alternate universe, and I will completely ignore her.
  • John Edwards is a punk.


    Peggy Noonan is about to be on Morning Joe. (I'm only watching because it's Joe's day off!)
  • Its strange to be extremely proud to support a candidate, and completely embarrassed of the party he represents.
  • Peggy Noonan just slapped the shit out of Pat Buchanan. It was lovely.
  • Please forgive me if I sound cavalier or sexist: Where are the (grown-ass) men in the Democratic Party? Not the men-are-pigs men, but the men who claim positions of authentic leadership without fear of hurt feelings or potential tantrums.


    See, this is precisely why I quit registering as a Dem. This constant fear of offending offensive people.



    Hillary Clinton is acting like a spoiled 3-year-old, and grown folks do nothing while she "expresses herself". A grown man would say enough is enough and swat her diapered-ass. To let her know that the air she pollutes with her noise, is everybody's air. That the peace she disturbs with her shrill tantrums is everybody's peace.



    Where are the grown-ass men to discipline this most spoiled child?
  • Rikyrah,
    Does anyone know how many signatures the Color of Change petition has garnered so far? I've been passing it on whenever possible and I'm wondering if it would be good to continue keeping it at the top of your page or on the sidebar.



    I honestly do believe that the more evidence that party has that this will not be tolerated, the better.



    Plus, I wish that it were being pressed that this all boils down to money for the Shill. Not that I would call them whores, oh no.



    From US News and World Report



    http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/05/08/why-clinton-stands-to-lose-millions.html?PageNr=1



    "Thanks to a little-known provision in 2002's McCain-Feingold campaign-finance reform bill, a campaign must repay the loan to a candidate before Election Day. In this case, that's the nominating convention. After the election has passed, a bankrupt campaign is limited to gathering just $250,000 from contributors, which means that modest sum is all it can give back to a candidate. In short, Clinton stands to lose $11,150,000."
  • Today from Larry Johnson in HuffPo:


    The article is titled 'The Obama Democrats' Ostrich Moment.



    Key Graphs:



    "...The relationship with Bill Ayers will empower the Republicans to destroy the candidacy of Barack Obama.



    This is not a question of whether or not the Republicans will use this material. They will. So what is there to find? That is the area of greatest danger for the Democrats. Obama has lied about his longstanding relationship with Bill Ayers.



    Why? What is he hiding? As I have pointed out before, 1995 was a critical year in the Obama/Ayers relationship. It was in 1995 that Barack was tabbed by Ayers to be the Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge (a failed $50 million project). That same year, Barack sat at a kitchen table with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Bill's wife, a plotted the ouster of Alice Palmer, who Obama took down in order to secure his place in the Illinois state senate.



    If the Super Delegates do not insist on a full and complete disclosure from Barack Obama about his ties to Bill Ayers, the Republicans will force the issue in the fall. It is one thing to have a name that sounds like the terrorist who attacked us on 9-11. But it is an entirely different matter to be close friends with an unrepentant terrorist who bombed U.S. Government buildings.



    There is no where to run. The relationship is genuine. This is a stonewall that will not stand."



    So while you are all crowing about Peggy Noonan, another shoe is yet to drop for Obama...
  • From anonymous:


    "...The relationship with Bill Ayers will empower the Republicans to destroy the candidacy of Barack Obama.



    And I can produce photos of U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. And I'm sure that there are photos of George W. Bush with members of the bin Laden family.



    At some point, these phony inferred associations are entertainment for the ignorant and an annoyance for the informed.
  • "Today from Larry Johnson in HuffPo:"


    yawn. dude is a nut, and huffpost is nuts for publishing him. this was better suited for hillaryis44 or some wingnut site.
  • Ronnie B said...
    Please forgive me if I sound cavalier or sexist: Where are the (grown-ass) men in the Democratic Party? Not the men-are-pigs men, but the men who claim positions of authentic leadership without fear of hurt feelings or potential tantrums.



    See, this is precisely why I quit registering as a Dem. This constant fear of offending offensive people.



    Hillary Clinton is acting like a spoiled 3-year-old, and grown folks do nothing while she "expresses herself". A grown man would say enough is enough and swat her diapered-ass. To let her know that the air she pollutes with her noise, is everybody's air. That the peace she disturbs with her shrill tantrums is everybody's peace.



    Where are the grown-ass men to discipline this most spoiled child?



    Fri May 09, 05:18:00 AM 2008

    ==============



    Thank you! That was so much more eloquent than what I was going to say which is - these undeclared superdels are a set of bitches.



    To be honest, I have gotten so fed up with this whole rigamarole in the last few weeks. Looking on from the outside in, I cannot fathom that this would happen in any other country - that a set of politicians, with power right within their grasp would be such namby-pamby, wishy-washy, fraidy-fraidy bitches about getting on with it. It's politics for pity's sake! Hurting people's feelings is part of the process - and in such a case where the person is actually damaging the party...are you kidding me? What is wrong with your people?
  • Anon 5:51,


    Larry Johnson is a known anti-Obama hack, so you'll have to try a little harder next time.



    McLatchy article yesterday: "Where did the Web rumors about Obama come from?"



    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/36410.html
  • At some point, these phony inferred associations are entertainment for the ignorant and an annoyance for the informed.
    _____________________________________

    Ah, if only that were true, then all would be well in Obamatopia...



    Rummy/Hussein, etc. is a false analogy.



    And his association with Ayers is an annoyance not for the informed, but for the devoted who are all to willing to dismiss and overlook the inconvenient truths about their candidate.



    Righteous indignation over any and all criticism, or trying to yawn and shrug it off, may work as Obama ekes his way to the nomination, but how can you applaud the foresight of Peggy Noonan, but be blind to the 'how' of Clinton will 'tear the party apart.'



    Hamas endorsement. Ayers. Wright. Rezko (about to make a deal?)...Obama and devotees may see these as 'distractions' but others do not.



    Many voters are not comfortable with Obama's lack of foreign policy and military experience. Many question his judgment about how to deal with our enemies. Actions speak louder than words, and his actions cannot be so easily dismissed.



    Constantly crying 'distraction!' will make Obama look evasive and arrogant. Will he stumble over himself with Ayers and Hamas like he did with Wright?
  • @krk


    An ex CIA agent? That is very scary to me.
  • So does being an anti-Obama hack make Ayers less of an issue in the general election? Does it discredit the Hama endorsment of Obama? Does it dispel concerns about Obama's lack of foregign policy experience?


    No.



    In Obama's North Carolina victory speech Obama said:



    "I trust the American people to understand that it is not weakness, but wisdom to talk not just to our friends, but to our enemies, like Roosevelt did, and Kennedy did, and Truman did."



    But Obama's recollection of history is open to greater scrutiny. Jack Kelly provides a refresher:



    "Our enemies in World War II were Nazi Germany, headed by Adolf Hitler; fascist Italy, headed by Benito Mussolini, and militarist Japan, headed by Hideki Tojo. FDR talked directly with none of them before the outbreak of hostilities, and his policy once war began was unconditional surrender.



    FDR died before victory was achieved, and was succeeded by Harry Truman. Truman did not modify the policy of unconditional surrender. He ended that war not with negotiation, but with the atomic bomb.



    Harry Truman also was president when North Korea invaded South Korea in June, 1950. President Truman's response was not to call up North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung for a chat. It was to send troops.



    Perhaps Sen. Obama is thinking of the meeting FDR and Churchill had with Soviet dictator Josef Stalin in Tehran in December, 1943, and the meetings Truman and Roosevelt had with Stalin at Yalta and Potsdam in February and July, 1945. But Stalin was then a U.S. ally, though one of whom we should have been more wary than FDR and Truman were. Few historians think the agreements reached at Yalta and Potsdam, which in effect consigned Eastern Europe to slavery, are diplomatic models we ought to follow. Even fewer Eastern Europeans think so.



    When Stalin's designs became unmistakably clear, President Truman's response wasn't to seek a summit meeting. He sent military aid to Greece, ordered the Berlin airlift and the Marshall Plan, and sent troops to South Korea."



    President Kennedy's 1961 summit with Khrushchev in Vienna was a disaster. I think Vienna is actually a fair comparison and warning against Obama's foreign policy approach, but Kelly is harsher:



    "The closest historical analogue to Sen. Obama's expressed desire to meet with no preconditions with anti-American dictators such as Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the trip British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and French premier Eduoard Daladier took to Munich in September of 1938 to negotiate "peace in our time" with Adolf Hitler. That didn't work out so well."



    Obama's interpretation of history call into serious question, his understanding of foreign policy and his judgment regarding his approach to negotiating directly with our enemies.



    Shooting the messengers of criticism of Obama is not an effective rebuttal to a serious issue.
  • Comparing the Soviet Union and Iran is laughable. The Russians had the largest army in Europe, thousands of nuclear missiles that they could launch by land, sea, and air. Plus a global spy network.


    Iran cannot even refine its own oil. Aside from war-torn Iraq, it is the only nation in the Middle East that has gas lines.



    - KXB
  • Why Are Liberals Actively Helping Terrorists?


    "On Saturday April 26, Barack Obama supporter Bill Richardson met with Venezuela President Hugo Chavez to try and secure the release of Americans being held in Colombia by the Marxist-inspired Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). Besides helping to legitimize Chavez’s longstanding goal of becoming a regional power, the meeting did not produce any tangible results. Chavez later claimed Venezuela had “lost the contact we had with the FARC.” As the Wall Street Journal reports today, that is unlikely.



    In early March the Colombian government captured a FARC leader’s laptop after an air strike in neighboring Ecuador. A review of more than 100 of the files on the computer by the WSJ shows that “Venezuela has broader and deeper ties to the FARC than previously known.”



    Obama supporter Bill Richardson is not the first liberal to legitimize the regime. Ex-Rep. Joe Kennedy (D-MA) stars in Chavez’s heating oil giveaway commercials. Rep. William Delahunt (D-MA), like Richardson, has also supported Chavez’s efforts to lead hostage extraction efforts with FARC. And the same lap top mentioned above also shows that Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA) “has been working with an American go-between, who has been offering the rebels help in undermining Colombia’s elected and popular government.”



    Liberals in Congress have killed the Colombia trade deal and presumptive Democrat presidential nominee Barack Obama has promised he would not revive it. This will only directly help the FARC, Chavez, and other forces for chaos in the region and through out the world."



    http://blog.heritage.org/2008/05/09/morning-bell-why-are-liberals-actively-helping-terrorists/



    Just a distraction?



    No.



    Facts.
  • "Why Are Liberals Actively Helping Terrorists?"


    Ever hear of Orlando Bosch? Anti-Castro dude who blew up a civilian airliner and is living in the US? Or KBR - private contractor that provides sub-par services to our military, putting them at risk?



    - KXB
  • Today's Wall Street Journal publishes a column by former principal deputy commissioner of the Social Security Administration Andrew Biggs on "Obama's faulty tax argument." Like his improbable history, Obama's argument in favor of higher taxes is both staightforward and misleading. If Obama is elected president, we can count on at least two things: bad economic policy and bad foreign policy. And we won't be able to say we weren't warned.


    Raising taxes during an economic downturn or recession reveals Obama's poor judgment on a major economic issue.
  • @anon KXB,


    What do you comments have to do with the fact that liberal elected officials and the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee favor a foreign policy strategy that undermines our ally, Colombia, while aiding Chavez and his terrorist cohorts, FARC?



    If you want to debate, engage the facts presented instead of blowing smoke. When the smoke clears, the facts still remain.



    Your "I know you are but what am I?" playground comebacks are lame.
  • Obama now leads Hillary in superdelegates by two.


    He will be the nominee.



    And John McCain isthe clear favorite of those economists who responded to the question:



    "Which of the three remaining presidential candidates offers the most responsible fiscal policy proposals in your view?"



    Twenty-one economists, or 75% of the respondents, chose Senator McCain, the republican nominee to be. Obama came in second with the backing of six economists, or 21% of the respondents. Just one economist picked Hillary.





    The Wall Street Journal's economics blog, Real Time Economics, reports the question was asked as part of the Journal's latest forecasting survey.



    In another interesting finding from the survey, 51% of the respondents said demand from China and India was the prime factor in soaring energy prices, and 41% said the demand was the chief contributor to rising food costs. Constraint in supply was cited second most often; Twenty percent blamed supply problems for higher food prices, and 15% for increasing energy prices. If these economist are right, there is little the U.S. can do to ease the pain of higher energy and food prices.
  • Noonan has always gotten Obama's appeal. Whatever differences she has with his candidacy are about his policy and economic views. Whether you agree with Ms. Noonan or not she is a wordsmith that has few peers in today's newspapers and she knows the power of words and ideas.


    She and Cokie Roberts are two of my favourite older women. They display grace, wit, intelligence and courtesy to spare and have both crafted careers that any feminist would be proud of, IMO. All that with seemingly no discernible sexual pandering or simpering.



    Maureen Dowd wishes she had half of Noonan's chops so that she wouldn't have to keep reminding us of her sexual cachet and her charmingly girlish ways as she battles her incipient decline into middleaged caricature.
  • lolo,


    That's right. So when Noonan eventually criticizes Obama on policy and politics, and she will, her words will resonate with all reasonable voters.



    The scrutiny of Obama begins:



    "Given the importance that Obama places on this approach to foreign policy — he seldom fails to mention it as an example of the “change” he’ll bring to Washington — one wonders why the media hasn’t pressed him on this rationalization. Obama isn’t merely saying that he’ll reinstitute diplomatic relations with Iran, which would emulate our relations with the Nazis and the Japanese prior to Pearl Harbor. Obama wants to have meetings without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who has publicly spoken of his desire to annihilate a key ally of the US, as well as Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, and any number of thugs and tyrants. When did FDR, Truman, and Kennedy do that? Answer: never.



    Negotiations with tyrants almost always leads to appeasement, which only postpones war until the tyrant is strong enough to wage it most effectively. It results in many more deaths and far more destruction because it gives the initiative and the timing to the tyrants, while building their credibility at home. William Shirer noted that the Germans were astounded when Hitler repeatedly bluffed the West during the years from 1935 to 1939, figuring each bluff would be called and Hitler destroyed as a political force. By the time he rolled into Poland unopposed except by the outmatched Poles, who expected actual military assistance from Britain and France, Germans would follow Hitler anywhere, convinced of his invincibility.



    That’s what Obama’s “new approach” to foreign policy promises. It’s Neville Chamberlain without the umbrella. It certainly isn’t FDR or Truman."
  • anon 5:51,


    Just another wussy jealous of Barack Obama's success! Hater!
  • Craig


    I agree with you wholeheartedly about Edwards; I said long ago that he was weak!



    I just read an article where he said endorsements don't really mean that much and Obama has done fine without his.



    I'm glad he didn't endorse, now Obama won't feel obliged to offer his weak ass the veep spot.
  • "What do you comments have to do with the fact that liberal elected officials and the presumptive Democrat presidential nominee favor a foreign policy strategy that undermines our ally, Colombia, while aiding Chavez and his terrorist cohorts, FARC?"


    As opposed to our bipartisan support for Saudi Arabia - the nation from which the 9/11 hijackers actually came? The nation that provides the lion's share of money for terrorist groups? Considering that FARC has never carried out an attack on American soil or American embassies, you'll forgive me if I believe it is important to prioritize our threats



    - KXB
  • "So while you are all crowing about Peggy Noonan, another shoe is yet to drop for Obama..."


    That shoe has already dropped. To no real effect. Keep trying, though. ok?
  • Wow, JJP is doing well, you guys officially have a right wing TROLL! I'm impressed. Clearly someone doing opposition research for comments on pro-Obama blogs. You guys can look forward to being on Bill O'Reilly's show for being "left wing radical black militant bloggers" who support Obama. Trust me, its coming soon.


    Since the beginning of this campaign I've often thought about one of my favorite films from the 70's. If you really want to understand the irrational fear that Hillary and the Media are trying to instill in America, all you have to do is look at this clip from a classic film from a classic book:

    "The Spook who sat by the door"



    Check the trailor:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLKSyy5AwtQ
  • thought merchant, it's the fear of retribution that has so many knickers in a twist.


    I've been saying that to a friend of mine since day one of this campaign. It took Jon Stewart to frame the issue through a comic lens, but he was dead serious when he said let's cut through all the mess and get to the core: "Are you going to enslave the white race?"



    Of course everyone laughed.
  • Stephanie Tubb Jones was defending Hillary on MSNBC today! She said Hillary was only quoting from an article written in USA Today! And she was quite defensive about it!




    Stephanie is blind in one eye & can't see out the other! Gaah!
  • Hillary is calling for a debate before the Oregon primary.


    She has really lost it!
  • MS.Martin,
    "Hillary is calling for a debate before the Oregon primary.

    -----------------------------------



    I heard it & thought WTF! Oh yes, she going to have to be dragged off! The woman is nuts!
  • Will Hillary pull a Joe Leiberman and run as an independent in pure scorched earth fashion?? Think about it. Don't act like its impossible.
  • Quote from Ted Kennedy on Hillary VP slot:


    "Obama should choose a running mate who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people," Kennedy said. "If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful."

    -----------------------------------

    Oops! That hurt!



    bwahahahahahahahahahaha
  • I read on HuffPo that the open letter from Hillary had 2 typo's in addition to factual errors.


    Also, Obama got 8 superdelegates today.
  • thought merchant, it's the fear of retribution that has so many knickers in a twist.


    I've been saying that to a friend of mine since day one of this campaign. It took Jon Stewart to frame the issue through a comic lens, but he was dead serious when he said let's cut through all the mess and get to the core: "Are you going to enslave the white race?"



    Of course everyone laughed.







    You're probably right. The thing is...Black folks (a whole lot of us) don't wanna to Nat Turner on anyone...just get the foot off our necks, and we can begin to talk.
  • Rikyrah,


    You summed it up perfectly, yet the idea is not sinking in. The more, systematically we are excluded, the more it actually helps to produce the beginning of those feelings in some black Americans. The system controlled by whites is creating the very thing they fear and it needs to stop before it actually implodes.
  • So are you all saying if McCain wins it will be because whites were afraid of Obama because he is black?
  • Racists are afraid that minorities will rise up, band together, take all their jobs, their neighborhoods, their schools, their way of life.


    Fear of retribution is what drives much of racist behaviour because the racist knows in his gut that where he stands is a wrong place to be and he "earned" it on the backs and with the pain of the many that were beaten, killed, robbed and just plain old denied.
  • ugh. i hate to see that right wing tool peggy noonan's name even show up in this place.


    nevertheless, it's over and he's got it and i'm thrilled. yay!



    but please, no more peggy noonan. there is no worse example of the inside-the-beltway kewl kidz sneering at the ignorant animals in the rest of the country.
  • KRK, that's an interesting article from McClatchy.


    What struck me most is -- if a fiercely anti-Obama retired CIA operative worked hard to assemble a dossier on Obama and that's all her came up with .... that's great news.



    I myself feel like people who believe that kind of stuff are already not going to vote for him or ANY Democrat.



    PS looks like the trolls are out in extra-special force these days. Attempting to create reality, anyone?
  • It took Jon Stewart to frame the issue through a comic lens, but he was dead serious when he said let's cut through all the mess and get to the core: "Are you going to enslave the white race?"


    Craig, yeah I saw that too, that's exactly it IMO. I've generally found Jon Stewart to be ferociously deeply intelligent in what he does and that is not an exception.
  • "She and Cokie Roberts are two of my favourite older women. They display grace, wit, intelligence and courtesy to spare and have both crafted careers that any feminist would be proud of, IMO. All that with seemingly no discernible sexual pandering or simpering".---lolo


    Cokie is clearly biased and is bitter about her female candidate losing this thing. That's not hard to see. She is hardly objective
  • She may be willing to commit party-cide but the Superdelegates won't let her.
    Howard Dean is gonna shut this down by June. Her campaign has given June 15th.

    Her options are out. The only reason why she's sticking around is to make money to pay the bills.
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