DISQUS

Jack and Jill Politics: Thursday Open Thread

  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    Not really debate or trivia, but a bit of silliness. How long has it been standard for a US presidential Inauguration to include
    some sort of gesture of inclusion to (black Americans) via a Gospel performance? Per Google, Mahelia Jackson performed at JFK's, in 1960. Was there anything before that?

    At any rate if Obama goes all the way- will he do the same? Will that scare anyone? Will it be seen as patronizing if he has some deep Appalachian/Grand Ole Opry 'traditionalist' performers to balance it out?
  • Jonzee · 1 year ago
    Personally, I hope its Outkast and Coldplay...

    But that's just wishful thinking...perhaps Clint Black and Jennifer Hudson? That would be better...lol
  • Jay · 1 year ago
    Coldplay is hot! Viva La Vida is on constant play on my ipod!
  • kenyaw · 1 year ago
    Jonzee,
    you are funny. But, that would be dope.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    How 'bout Jeezy?

    Young Jeezy, who performed with Usher on the "SNL" broadcast, said his support of Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama was only intensified after having a conversation with McCain following the taping.

    "I told him the 'hood was f**ked up, and he was like, 'How you doing?'" Jeezy told MTV.com. "Real talk. They know entertainers, so they shake your hand [and say], 'I'm your friend.' But my mama is about to have surgery that I gotta pay for out of my pocket because she can't get insurance.

    "I don't really feel McCain. It ain't just because Barack is black; he can make change. Just like Bush equals recession, Barack equals progression. I really feel that, all bullsh** aside. He's gotta come in and keep it right."

    "I be in the 'hood every day, and I motivate the thugs. [Barack] motivates me," he added. "To see somebody taking that extra mile ... like, 'OK, I can make some change.' That's how I felt when I got in the rap game. I felt I could make change. I did."
  • kenyaw · 1 year ago
    d,
    actually jeezy's comments does not sound h....alf bad in that article. :-) But, umm no inaugural preformance for Jeezy. I doupt the Obama's listen to Jeezy.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    And to think I'm actually a Jeezy fan. Know how many mixtapes I gotta get rid of now?

    BTW, there's jihadists running around JJP armed with spell check. Watch yourself....(or maybe they're just after me)....
  • Karmi · 1 year ago
    I ran "jihadists" through Merriam-Webster, just in case. ;-)
  • BlackAmericanPrincess · 1 year ago
    I've been getting into a heated debate with a friend of mine regarding her perception that Obama is "spineless." She feels that he threw Wesley Clark under the bus and is trying too hard to appeal to conservatives with his recent stance on welfare reform and faith-based initiatives. I kinda see her point but I'm giving him a pass since I know he's just trying to get into the White House. He'll be his REAL self once he gets in. What do yall think?
  • Anderkoo · 1 year ago
    Why does your friend think that faith-based initiatives = conservative? Because Bush says so? That's one of the biggest myths we need to fight, and to the extent that it's real, change: religion is not equal to conservative! Look at all the progressive movements in America and look at where religion played a role -- not least of all in the Civil Right Movement!

    Besides, don't ppl remember that Obama got his start organizing in a faith-based group? This isn't inconsistent at all with who he is.
  • BlackAmericanPrincess · 1 year ago
    Oh yeah, I almost forgot, have yall seen this mess?? http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0...

    Those Germans are something ELSE...
  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    Those Germans are something ELSE...

    Soo many Europeans are really excited about the possibility of his presidency. A couple of days ago Fareed Zakaria spoke at a public event on "The Post American World" (yes he was pimping his book). After his speech, the floor was opened for questions. There were several people who asked if he thought America's vision [w/Obama as POTUS] and and its embrace/acceptance of the "'rise of the others" would be dramatically different from McCain's. This came from an senior college lecturer (who was old enough to have a 1st hand experience of Europe immediately after WWII) , as well as college students with the same question..

    Zakaria (who initially supported the neocons- on Iraq) agreed that would be the case. I thought he put it well- that would Obama would think of Kenyans [Africa],not as 'them' but as his Father. Likewise his view of Indonesia , would be informed by the time he lived there, and his own stepfather.

    "He'll be his REAL self once he gets in"

    I think this can only be a positive, but like his move to the center, I think he has to be a little reserved about this International background in order not to alienate the majority population.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Mornin' all!

    What do you think about the hostages in Columbia being freed?

    Maybe I've become too cynical, but the whole thing sounds.....strange to me. I can't put my finger on it, but the whole thing sounds bogus.
  • Jay · 1 year ago
    You can say that again...and McCain was advised of it the day before their "freed". Kick rocks.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I thought that also.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Wow, sepia! I feel EXACTLY the same way. Something is weird about it. I wonder if my opinion is based on the fact that I know nothing about kidnapping/hostage situations outside that I haven't learned from movies. Perhaps my ideas are unrealistic. When I saw the footage of the hostages, I thought, "they apparently haven't missed any meals, & the FARC must have good barbers, because those men have the exact same haircuts they left with." They weren't emaciated. Not even a % o'clock shadow on the men. They appeared to be very clean with clean clothes on. The Columbian/French woman, Bettencourt, had her hair combed and braided. They are said to have diseases from living in "the jungle," but from the way they looked, their conditions weren't all that primitive. If anyone out there knows more about this hostage stuff, please post it. Thanx, Teacher
  • D. · 1 year ago
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    Old Bull young bull give me a break the only bull that can describe that ramble is excrement.Republicans motto should be "Incompetence, you aint seen nothing yet"
  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    From your link "Now, things like foreign policy and meeting with terrorist dictators is quite a bit trickier than "sowing oats" with sweet young females, and I do believe, dear readers, that you get my drift here." That's bullshite.

    Geez. The Wisdom McCain has might not be the 'wisdom' that's needed. It's a new world now. America, (land that I love)- is no longer the only player on the stage now. I'm not really a hugh Zarkaria fan, however he's onto something when he talks about the rise of the rest. We've seen the failed unilateralism of Bush/Cheney.

    Check out the ""Pax Coreleone"" Theory of US FP. I think we all know where McCain falls.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    "Pax Coreleone?" That's a good one, and I don't mean that sarcastically.

    I know where McCain falls on that one. But, from same article:

    First, like many modern Democrats, Tom believes that the family’s main objective should be to return as quickly as possible to the world as it existed before the attack.

    Don't know about you, but I'd rather not relive September 10, 2001 again, knowing what's to come. That, however, is just me.
  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    From the link Tom believes that the family’s main objective should be to return as quickly as possible to the world....his overriding strategic aim is the one
    that Hillary Clinton.. of the world’s “benign hegemon.

    1)HRC is no longer in the race ;-)
    2)Obama is no "Tom"

    Over analogizing kills the benefit of first obseration.
    The "Sonny" shoe fits McCain indeed. Per his singular background Obama
    is different canidate from Old School Bush/Clinton/McCain.

    New world. Different realities- deal with it.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Throughout the movie, Tom’s motto is “we oughta talk to ‘em”—a slogan which, especially since the publication of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, is the line promoted by the lawmakers and presidential hopefuls of the Democratic Party, who now say that immediate, unconditional talks with America’s latest “Sollozzo” (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) are the only option still open to Washington for coping with the Iranian nuclear crisis.

    Um....Obama did suggest that we talk unconditionally (though now, he's backtracked on that) with countries such as North Korea (wonder why there was no mention of their delcration in the liberal media?) and Iran, yes?

    I've been dealing with the different realities of the new world since 9/11. And some of those realities aren't gonna change no matter who's elected.
  • dilettante · 1 year ago
    So the US shouldn't care about Iran's influence in Iraq? In spite of all the $US billions and bodies being spent there, we'll just ignore Iran with a "time out". The world moves on rather the US engages, or not. For people who discovered the world was bigger that the US, sometime around 9/12- that's seems to be a really difficult concept to grasp.

    And if the countries we (tax payers) give the most* foreign aid too; Israel, wants to work out an agreement with Hamas, that's brokered by the second largest US Aide recipient Egypt, why should we care? By your logic we shouldn't expect anything in return for the money we give them Israel and Egypt, and we'd never stoop to making demands on Hamas- the cold shoulder trick will do it all. *( these 2 countries receive 1/3 of all US Foreign Aid)

    I don't think N. Korea feels so isolated with all the attention they get from China,but I'm sure they respect us for our stance of not speaking with them.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    My personal is that we're as much at war with Iran as we are with terrorists/insurgents in Iraq. I don't think we should "ignore" Iran; we could very easily send them a message if we wanted to.
  • blksista · 1 year ago
    You mean PAX CORLEONE. Get that spelling right.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    I think as long as Saddam stays in his grave and bin Laden stays on the run, a couple spelling errors can be overlooked, right?

    And if I'm wrong....well, I'll be sure to include a spelling class for fall semes....um....when i take my classes in the fall.

    :)
  • blksista · 1 year ago
    "Coreleone" sounds like a set of dishes at Target, understand?
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Oh, alright.

    10 Hail Obamas as penance.

    Unless I spelled that wrong....
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    We don't want Bin Laden on the run. If Obama had said that, we'd never hear the end from you.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Dead is the preferred option.

    But if he's on the run, that's less time he has to prepare another attack on my country. That's acceptable, until he's killed.

    Either beats the hell out of him being in a US court, prison...hell, anywhere on our soil.
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    Psst, Karl.

    Barack Obama is actually...Bruce Wayne!

    He's a rich snobbish, elitist who likes the black of night.

    Hope this helps (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)
  • P-niiice · 1 year ago
    I love it when they try and paint him as an elitist. It runs completely counter to how these people feel about black people.
  • Anderkoo · 1 year ago
    Or does it? Because isn't part of the classic formula that a bunch of self-hating lily-white limousine liberals partner up with their "pet" black welfare queens to keep down the hard-working whites? Elitism and poor scary black folk actually pair up quite well in US politics, historically.
  • P-niiice · 1 year ago
    I just enjoy them not being able to fall back on a ghettoish/scary black man theme and have to call a black man "too educated for us white folk".

    Kind of like how Clinton's people tried to call him elitist when She made many times what he did over the same period.
  • Webb · 1 year ago
    Dang, wish I had $28,500 laying around...Barack's coming back to the ATL.
  • womanistmusings · 1 year ago
    I wrote about the death of Esmin Green alone on a hospital floor. Black women are forever invisible in our society. I also had a discussion about the fact though feminism talks about intersectionality none of the "mainstream" popular feminist blogs saw fit too comment on this story.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    From Obama's speech on service:

    One of those moments came on September 11, 2001. Whether you lived in Manhattan or thousands of miles away in Colorado, you felt the pain and loss of that day not just as an individual, but as an American. You also felt pride – pride in the firefighters who rushed up the stairs while workers rushed down; pride in the police who provided comfort, and the neighbors who lent a hand; pride in your citizenship, and the tattered flag that flew at Ground Zero. That’s why Americans lined up to give blood. That’s why we held vigils and flew flags. That’s why we rallied behind our President. We were ready to step into the strong current of history, and to answer a new call for our country. But the call never came.

    Well, some people heard a call.....
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    I've been getting into a heated debate with a friend of mine regarding her perception that Obama is "spineless." She feels that he threw Wesley Clark under the bus and is trying too hard to appeal to conservatives with his recent stance on welfare reform and faith-based initiatives. I kinda see her point but I'm giving him a pass since I know he's just trying to get into the White House. He'll be his REAL self once he gets in. What do yall think?

    My thing about the Clark situation, is that he picked the wrong damn thing to dog McCain about.

    John McCain COULD be hit on the following:

    1. Flip the script on the 'elitist' thing. Ask how many folks are the son and grandson of Admirals?
    2. How can McCain relate to the average soldier who comes from a less than promising socio-economic background and sees the military as their way out of that socio-economic class?
    3. Use McCain's voting record on military issues AGAINST HIM. He wraps himself in the POW/Military cape, all the while ROUTINELY VOTING AGAINST those things that would HELP the average military man.
    4. Point out that not only did McCain NOT support the New G.I. Bill, he LIED about supporting it. He didn't even bother TO VOTE.

    See, ALL these things, Clark COULD HAVE NAILED McCain on. And, because of the General in front of his name, it would have had more weight.

    But, Clark picked the one thing that McCain and the GOP could wrap themselves up in the flag and DEFLECT the 'real' issues, which is McCain hiding behind the flag, all the while dogging out the average service man and woman.

    Democrats pick the wrong damn stuff to argue about . I'm not saying that I even disagree with what Clark said, but there's some shit that you just don't bring up. You give your opponent that ground, and attack him elsewhere. When I read on other blogs that folks wanted to attack McCain on this, and the age issue, I thought it was a bad idea. Didn't need to bring either up. It's a matter of choosing poorly, and WE SEE that Obama is GUILTY THROUGH ASSOCIATION. So, WTF are you going around saying stuff that could have him dragged through that mess once again?

    Clark didn't think before he spoke, because he could have spoken on McCain and the Military and called him out on so many other military -related issues.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Clark really needs to stop putting his foot in his mouth.

    Busted
  • TruthSeeker · 1 year ago
    I think Clark answered the question reasonably and rationally. He is correct, there's nothing about being taken prisoner in a war that qualifies one to be a leader.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I've thought that all along, I just wish people weren't afraid to say it!
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    And the wrong time.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Mornin' all!

    What do you think about the hostages in Columbia being freed?

    Maybe I've become too cynical, but the whole thing sounds.....strange to me. I can't put my finger on it, but the whole thing sounds bogus.


    Phony as a $3 bill. It stinks..stinks..stinks...
  • D. · 1 year ago
    McCain led the raid.......you didn't know?
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  • D. · 1 year ago
    (sigh)

    Well, it's a long weekend. I can always start drinking again.
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  • Jonzee · 1 year ago
    Here is an interesting piece from the Black Agenda Report:

    Cythina McKinney Deserves your Support, Barack Obama does not"

    I don't agree with most of the article, but I would love to know what you all think.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    I haven't bothered to read the article; however, I will tell you that support for Cynthia McKinney is support for John McCain.

    She will never ever be elected President. Her platform is power to the black people - who in the hell is going to vote for that?
  • Honey01 · 1 year ago
    You know, I try not to be a conspiracy theorist but the timing of this seems a little too fishy. McCain, also once a POW/hostage just happens to be in Colombia? Was this orchestrated or timed to be boost the GOP? Help improve George W's legacy at the same time adding credence to a weak GOP candidate. Of course, I am happy that families were reunited.
    See the hilarity of Lieberman (and even Cindy McCain, she talks!) whispering in McCain's ear to help recollect the events of his meeting with Columbian President Uribe. What would he do without Lieberman helping him to "recollect"? Foreign policy expert my a**.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/...
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
    Wag the dog.
  • P-niiice · 1 year ago
    exactly.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Honey01, I believe there is a current NAFTA related push to send jobs to Columbia. Both Bill Clinton & Mark Penn are/have been lobbyists for the country. President Uribe is also close to GW Bush, who is also lobbying to move the jobs there. A few months ago, Hugo Chavez was on the verge of bombing Columbia because they had a military incursion on the border and a few Venezuelan military people were killed. It was a very tense situation if you know any Columbians or Venezuelans. Chavez accused Uribe of being a US puppet. He is definitely in bush's pocket.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    Most Americans Still Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident

    Today, 85% of American adults agree with the first “self-evident” truth—that all men are created equal. Ninety-one percent (91%) agree with the second of those truths—that we are all are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights including Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    A Shortage Of Troops in Afghanistan
    Iraq War Limits U.S. Options, Says Chairman of Joint Chiefs

    By Josh White
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, July 3, 2008; Page A01

    The nation's top military officer said yesterday that more U.S. troops are needed in Afghanistan to tamp down an increasingly violent insurgency, but that the Pentagon does not have sufficient forces to send because they are committed to the war in Iraq.

    Navy Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said insurgent Taliban and extremist forces in Afghanistan have become "a very complex problem," one that is tied to the extensive drug trade, a faltering economy and the porous border with Pakistan. Violence in Afghanistan has increased markedly over recent weeks, with June the deadliest month for U.S. troops since the war began in 2001.

    "I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq," Mullen told reporters at the Pentagon. "Afghanistan has been and remains an economy-of-force campaign, which by definition means we need more forces there."

    Mullen has raised similar concerns over the past several months, but his comments yesterday were more pointed and came amid rising concern at the Pentagon over the situation in Afghanistan, where insurgents have regrouped in the south and east.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • Anderkoo · 1 year ago
    people who debate whether the surge is "working" or not are missing the bigger point: those are troops that should have been in Afghanistan. And frankly this is a point that Kerry never got across in 2004: deploying troops to Iraq cut our ability to project or threaten to project force elsewhere, including Iran. I'm not a pacifist, I'm for using smart power, and to fire both barrels when we only have two bullets is STUPID. Now Iran can dance around with impunity with their nukes because we've got them surrounded but, ironically, are at their mercy rather than v.v.
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
  • Texas_Girl_in_LA · 1 year ago
    Nice diary, Craig

    The part about the donations is just tacky.

    I feel ya brotha!
  • happycozy · 1 year ago
    Today Obama is supposed to address the anti-FISA group on his website. He loses either way in this situation. If he caves, then the repugs and the media will paint him as weak. If he doesn't cave, he loses a lot of support in the netroots community.
  • Carlos · 1 year ago
    How is THIS still possible on Madison Avenue? http://adage.com/madisonandvine/article?article...
    I'm guessing the "You better don't" ads weren't tacky enough. Sheer buffoonery. Don't believe me? Here's a snippet:

    The can's label will be customized for "urban" and "rural" markets. Metropolitan stores will carry the description of the concoction as a "delicious and bump up struttin' energy drink that will pump up a brotha's ass right-pronto. This swill will crank yo' metabolism up skippin' right over jiggy to straight G-pimp level, word to your mutha. Brothas will be layin' down the 2-3 on the wiggy jig focusing the energy flow into cold-face benjamins that will fill yo' pimp pockets to burstin'. Damn straight! Booty Sweat will keep a brotha pitchin' straight game all night to the baby-dolls."

    Rural stores will get a can that simply has the Booty Sweat moniker, but no street slang.

    Happy "Independence" Day.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    ....and cue the boycotts and petitioning against Paramount. Quick, where's Color of Change?

    Maybe I'll get upset when someone tells me what the hell all that means. Til then......
  • Town · 1 year ago
    The can's label will be customized for "urban" and "rural" markets. Metropolitan stores will carry the description of the concoction as a "delicious and bump up struttin' energy drink that will pump up a brotha's ass right-pronto. This swill will crank yo' metabolism up skippin' right over jiggy to straight G-pimp level, word to your mutha. Brothas will be layin' down the 2-3 on the wiggy jig focusing the energy flow into cold-face benjamins that will fill yo' pimp pockets to burstin'. Damn straight! Booty Sweat will keep a brotha pitchin' straight game all night to the baby-dolls."


    Will black people in the hood (or anywhere) actually understand what this means? This is just a more verbose "whitey:" words that white people think that black people say, but actually don't because only white people say them.
  • GreenLadyHere · 1 year ago
    Just another thought on the CNN story[as in - LIE] that Mr. Obama would not fist bump with a child. First, the video so very quickly SHOWED the TRUTH!! Thank God for 21st century technology! Secondly, had Mr. Obama put some ink on anyone's persons, and that person was ALLERGIC to INK [think about the peanut oil lawsuits], a LAWSUIT would have been the order of the day!!
    Mr. Obama was WISE to avoid that FIST AUTOGRAPH!!!!
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  • Jay · 1 year ago
    ^^^ RE: Black repubs...um, black people can't be racist. I've never called any black person out for being a repub, I just don't understand the attraction.
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    Is the GOP cooking the books to avoid recession till after Election Day?
    http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07...
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Honey01,

    Your suspicions about this Colombia thing are on point and I completely agree with you. Phony as can be.
  • D. · 1 year ago
    One of those odd, "looking ahead" questions:

    Should Obama win the election.....what kind of ship should the Navy name for him?

    Historically, carriers have been named after presidents, with Jimmy Carter being a recent exception (there's a sub named for him).
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    I dont know about Obama but for our current president a garbage barge would be appropriate
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    Leave the Coreleone, take the canoli.
  • heartsandflowers · 1 year ago
    With regards to the Columbian 'hostage' situation. I smell a pay off! Some of those mercenaries, er, 'contractors' were supposed to have been held for 5 years. The US is involved, perhaps they set the whole thing up.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Yep, Heartsandflowers, I agree. They were kickin it at Club Med Columbia for 5 years.
  • djchefron · 1 year ago
    If the facts dont support your position then lie about your opponents record
    Tax Tally Trickery
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/factcheckorg/tax-...
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    McCain not fundraising down-ballot
    By Aaron Blake
    Posted: 07/01/08 07:23 PM [ET]
    John McCain has begun to raise eyebrows in Republican circles for his lack of fundraising help on behalf of his party’s House and Senate campaign committees.


    The Arizona senator has yet to send a fundraising appeal for those committees nearly four months after becoming his party’s presumptive nominee, and he skipped out on a major fundraising dinner for them in recent weeks.



    The lack of help has come into focus since one of the first things Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) did as his party’s presidential candidate was send a fundraising e-mail for Democrats’ House and Senate committees.


    The e-mail was in response to the $21.5 million the GOP raised two weeks ago at the President’s Dinner, a big fundraiser for the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) and National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC). McCain skipped the dinner, even though the party’s presidential nominee usually attends.


    NRSC spokeswoman Rebecca Fisher said there are no commitments yet between McCain and the committee, but that Obama’s fundraising e-mails put things into perspective.


    “Trust me, we all noticed,” Fisher said of the e-mails. “A, that would be huge for them. Just seeing that he did an e-mail for [the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee], we said, ‘That’s going to be a significant e-mail.’ And B, we noticed there hasn’t been one on our end. We look forward to when John McCain does one for us.”


    An NRCC source said McCain has agreed to help the committee in some capacity but the details were being worked out. His help could come in the form of an e-mail, a mailer or an appearance at an event and is likely to be similar to his effort for the NRSC.


    McCain’s campaign did not comment by press time.


    http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/mccain-not-...
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    From Women's Wear Daily:

    ONE STUDIO, SEVERAL MAGAZINES, MUCH CONFUSION: Looks like Michelle Obama wasn't shot for Essence after all while she was in town two weeks ago for a fund-raiser with New York's fashion elite and her stint cohosting "The View." At the time, an Essence spokeswoman declined comment on whether the potential first lady was photographed for the magazine. But Harriette Cole, creative director for Ebony, confirmed Wednesday that Obama was shot at Industria Studios for an upcoming issue of her magazine — and she should know, since she presided over the shoot. So why did some assume Obama was being shot for Essence? Because Essence, Ebony and Vibe — as well as W — were all photographing various magazine spreads at Industria the same day, an occurrence Cole said had not happened in her 10 years at Ebony. Obama's arrival naturally caused a stir among the editors in the building. "Everybody knew who was coming because the Secret Service was there," said Cole. And, while they may compete on the newsstand, Obama managed to unite the editors from the various titles at least for a little while, as between takes she greeted all of those who lingered about to catch a peek of the wife of presumptive democratic nominee Barack Obama. The Obamas previously appeared on the cover of Ebony in February 2007, and that issue has been Ebony's highest seller on newsstands since.
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  • Angela1 · 1 year ago
    here is a video on the Michelle and Barack at a recent soccer game of Malia's. You have to watch carefully, but, in there you can spot Malia with her arm around Sasha or holding her hand and later Barack looks like he's teasing Michelle. Jeannie Most described it on CNN as flirting. I love it.

    video is at www.truveo.com
  • Angela1 · 1 year ago
    actually the video was 1st seen at abcnews.go.com
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    BLACK IN AMERICA

    CNN has been advertising this for many months. I am not so happy about Soledad O'Brian being the narrator, and I wonder why she was selected. I don't know if I'll be able to watch it. At this writing, I plan to be out of town. I wonder how it will be different than the other, similar programs? I anyone looking forward to watching it?

    VANCOUVER

    Does anyone here know anything about Vancouver? I have plans to visit there in a couple of weeks (if I don't cancel them). I have found a little info about the Black History of Vancouver (BC), but am shocked to find that there are no Black neighborhoods, monuments, businesses, historical sites, etc. to tie that history to the present. I would appreciate any information offered. Thanx, Teacher
  • Webb · 1 year ago
    Soledad probably championed the project. She's an influential sistah. The title of the program may be turning you off, but I think the show will be substantive.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Hey Teacher:

    I'm afraid to watch, I'm sure it will disappoint. I suppose Soledad his narrating because she is biracial. I didn't like their show on MLK.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Hey Ms. Martin (terrorist fist jab comin atcha), I didn't know she was bi/multi-racial. I actually thought she was married to Miles O'Brien and that they were a husband and wife news team for a while (lol). This shows the danger of making assumptions. During my research, I saw a statement on wikipedia saying that BLACK IN AMERICA will be a year long program. I don't know what they have to talk about for a whole year. Wikipedia isn't actually reliable, so I'll have to get more verification before I believe it.
  • IotaNet · 1 year ago
    Apropos of nothing whatsoever, is anyone else as tickled as I am to see Venus & Serena making the Wimbledon finals (again)???

    Handle ya'll business, ladies!!!!
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Yes, me!
  • CraigHickman · 1 year ago
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    A girlfriend and I were cracking up about this. Who cares who wins? All the checks are going to the same address..LOL
  • Honey01 · 1 year ago
    OMG!
    I am watching "Race for the White House" on MSNBC which unfortunately is being guest hosted by douche bag Joe Scarborough.

    Rachel Maddow is one of the contributors and I knew it was only a matter of time before she would set him off. He hates her (and of course Obama). He kept trying to drive home the point that Obama had flipped flopped on his Iraq policy. Rachel kept laughing at him which INFURIATED him. Right before the commercial he says to her "you might support Obama, but you have Hillary's cackle down".
    The networked seemed to take a few extra breaks. I hope the execs were talking to him.

    I hope she can get him to storm off the set again.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    I hope this shows up on YouTube! I LOVE how Rachel handles that smug, arrogant weasel Joe S.
  • lamh32 · 1 year ago
    Joe Likes His Women... Docile, obiedient and subservient like Mika B.

    If you watch the show when Scar is off, Mika actualy seems like an intelligent, strong woman (still somewhat annoying)

    When Scar is on she becomes this vapid, airy, giggling schoolgirl who Scar pushes around like some idiot jock with the pretty cheerleader girlfriend.

    It's sickening.

    I hope MSNBC tears him a new one, but of course they won't.
  • Admiral_Komack · 1 year ago
    That's why I stopped watching Joe Scar (what happended to that intern, Joe?).

    I guess Mika realllllly likes the job.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Oh damn, I missed that! Thanks for sharing. Nobody can handle Joe Douce Bag like Rachel Maddow. I'd pay good money to see the two of them debate. He would explode just like McCain is going to.

    Did Rachel respond to the cackle comment?
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    No lie, Ms. Martin. JS is the poster boy for smug, arrogant, incredibly mediocre white males. I wish he would explode too. I think Rachel is too mature to deliberately torment him with her superior intellect, but I wish she would. He sucks.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    She doesn't do it deliberately, she's just so much more intelligent than him and she doesn't back down from stupid and rhetorically based incorrect fodder.
  • msmartin · 1 year ago
    Response from Barack on FISA and Discussion with Policy Staff
    By Joe Rospars - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm EDT

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    Barack is on the road today, but he wrote a response that he asked be posted on the blog. You'll find it below.

    In addition, for the next 30 minutes or so, three members of our policy staff will be in the comments on this post to respond to any questions you have. Danielle Gray is our Deputy National Policy Director, Denis McDonough is a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor, and Ben Rhodes is Foreign Policy Advisor and Senior Speechwriter.

    I hope that you'll join the discussion in the comments thread below, and continue to use the My.BarackObama.com tools as a resource for organizing in your local communities and around the issues that are important to you and to victory in November.

    Here's the note from Barack:

    I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.

    This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

    But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility

    The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

    The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I’m sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

    Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.

    I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.

    Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

    So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.
  • Sepia · 1 year ago
    Even though I disagree with Obama on his support of the FISA Bill, I appreciate that he's listening to us and willing to address our concerns instead of going into "It's my way or the highway" mode.
  • Angela1 · 1 year ago
    Good grief...FDR was excoriated because he ran to the middle....and guess what all you history buffs....he was elected THREE TIMES.

    The far left needs to get over them selves.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    eternal bachelor Charlie Crist is engaged.
  • Teacher · 1 year ago
    Forreal? Post a link to the story. Is this the story where he is engaged to his beard (which I didn't read)? Dang, I would hate for someone to marry me so people won't accuse them of having an alternative life style, but que sera sera.
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
  • rikyrah · 1 year ago
    Got this from PoliticalWire:

    Obama, McCain Tied Among Catholics
    A new Time poll of Catholic voters that reveals that Sen. Barack Obama has pulled even with Sen. John McCain among that constituency -- Obama now polls 44% to McCain's 45%.

    The poll "confirmed that a majority of Catholics (59%) can be broadly defined as pro-life (opposing abortion except to protect a woman's life or health or in cases of rape or incest). But these pro-life Catholics are actually split into two voting camps: conservative Catholics who consider abortion to be a determining factor, and Catholics who feel that social issues can be trumped in times of economic and national insecurity."
  • Honey01 · 1 year ago
    @Ms. Martin,
    Rachel suprisingly didn't respond (at least on air). He made the comment and they went to commercial.

    I bet money somebody said something during the commercial. They placed nice afterwards. I tell ya, it is so funny to watch him getting under his skin.