Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Thursday Open Thread

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Honey01 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:39:29 -0000

@Ms. Martin,
Rachel suprisingly didn't respond (at least on air). He made the comment and they went to commercial.

I bet money somebody said something during the commercial. They placed nice afterwards. I tell ya, it is so funny to watch him getting under his skin.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

msmartin — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:33:17 -0000

She doesn't do it deliberately, she's just so much more intelligent than him and she doesn't back down from stupid and rhetorically based incorrect fodder.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Teacher — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:32:10 -0000

Hey Ms. Martin (terrorist fist jab comin atcha), I didn't know she was bi/multi-racial. I actually thought she was married to Miles O'Brien and that they were a husband and wife news team for a while (lol). This shows the danger of making assumptions. During my research, I saw a statement on wikipedia saying that BLACK IN AMERICA will be a year long program. I don't know what they have to talk about for a whole year. Wikipedia isn't actually reliable, so I'll have to get more verification before I believe it.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Teacher — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:15:21 -0000

No lie, Ms. Martin. JS is the poster boy for smug, arrogant, incredibly mediocre white males. I wish he would explode too. I think Rachel is too mature to deliberately torment him with her superior intellect, but I wish she would. He sucks.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Admiral_Komack — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:09:21 -0000

That's why I stopped watching Joe Scar (what happended to that intern, Joe?).

I guess Mika realllllly likes the job.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:51:52 -0000

Got this from PoliticalWire:

Obama, McCain Tied Among Catholics
A new Time poll of Catholic voters that reveals that Sen. Barack Obama has pulled even with Sen. John McCain among that constituency -- Obama now polls 44% to McCain's 45%.

The poll "confirmed that a majority of Catholics (59%) can be broadly defined as pro-life (opposing abortion except to protect a woman's life or health or in cases of rape or incest). But these pro-life Catholics are actually split into two voting camps: conservative Catholics who consider abortion to be a determining factor, and Catholics who feel that social issues can be trumped in times of economic and national insecurity."

Re: Thursday Open Thread

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:32:51 -0000

http://thepage.time.com/2008/07/03/wedding-bell...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/art...

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Teacher — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:19:16 -0000

Forreal? Post a link to the story. Is this the story where he is engaged to his beard (which I didn't read)? Dang, I would hate for someone to marry me so people won't accuse them of having an alternative life style, but que sera sera.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

msmartin — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:54:34 -0000

Oh damn, I missed that! Thanks for sharing. Nobody can handle Joe Douce Bag like Rachel Maddow. I'd pay good money to see the two of them debate. He would explode just like McCain is going to.

Did Rachel respond to the cackle comment?

Re: Thursday Open Thread

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:38:49 -0000

eternal bachelor Charlie Crist is engaged.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

lamh — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:29:10 -0000

Joe Likes His Women... Docile, obiedient and subservient like Mika B.

If you watch the show when Scar is off, Mika actualy seems like an intelligent, strong woman (still somewhat annoying)

When Scar is on she becomes this vapid, airy, giggling schoolgirl who Scar pushes around like some idiot jock with the pretty cheerleader girlfriend.

It's sickening.

I hope MSNBC tears him a new one, but of course they won't.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

rikyrah — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:09:52 -0000

A girlfriend and I were cracking up about this. Who cares who wins? All the checks are going to the same address..LOL

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Angela1 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:24:50 -0000

Good grief...FDR was excoriated because he ran to the middle....and guess what all you history buffs....he was elected THREE TIMES.

The far left needs to get over them selves.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

CraigHickman — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:05:35 -0000

Of course:

Like Little Black Girls

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Sepia — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:02:08 -0000

Even though I disagree with Obama on his support of the FISA Bill, I appreciate that he's listening to us and willing to address our concerns instead of going into "It's my way or the highway" mode.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Sepia — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:54:47 -0000

I hope this shows up on YouTube! I LOVE how Rachel handles that smug, arrogant weasel Joe S.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

msmartin — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:42:50 -0000

Response from Barack on FISA and Discussion with Policy Staff
By Joe Rospars - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm EDT

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Barack is on the road today, but he wrote a response that he asked be posted on the blog. You'll find it below.

In addition, for the next 30 minutes or so, three members of our policy staff will be in the comments on this post to respond to any questions you have. Danielle Gray is our Deputy National Policy Director, Denis McDonough is a Senior Foreign Policy Advisor, and Ben Rhodes is Foreign Policy Advisor and Senior Speechwriter.

I hope that you'll join the discussion in the comments thread below, and continue to use the My.BarackObama.com tools as a resource for organizing in your local communities and around the issues that are important to you and to victory in November.

Here's the note from Barack:

I want to take this opportunity to speak directly to those of you who oppose my decision to support the FISA compromise.

This was not an easy call for me. I know that the FISA bill that passed the House is far from perfect. I wouldn't have drafted the legislation like this, and it does not resolve all of the concerns that we have about President Bush's abuse of executive power. It grants retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies that may have violated the law by cooperating with the Bush Administration's program of warrantless wiretapping. This potentially weakens the deterrent effect of the law and removes an important tool for the American people to demand accountability for past abuses. That's why I support striking Title II from the bill, and will work with Chris Dodd, Jeff Bingaman and others in an effort to remove this provision in the Senate.

But I also believe that the compromise bill is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year. The exclusivity provision makes it clear to any President or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court. In a dangerous world, government must have the authority to collect the intelligence we need to protect the American people. But in a free society, that authority cannot be unlimited. As I've said many times, an independent monitor must watch the watchers to prevent abuses and to protect the civil liberties of the American people. This compromise law assures that the FISA court has that responsibility

The Inspectors General report also provides a real mechanism for accountability and should not be discounted. It will allow a close look at past misconduct without hurdles that would exist in federal court because of classification issues. The recent investigation uncovering the illegal politicization of Justice Department hiring sets a strong example of the accountability that can come from a tough and thorough IG report.

The ability to monitor and track individuals who want to attack the United States is a vital counter-terrorism tool, and I'm persuaded that it is necessary to keep the American people safe -- particularly since certain electronic surveillance orders will begin to expire later this summer. Given the choice between voting for an improved yet imperfect bill, and losing important surveillance tools, I've chosen to support the current compromise. I do so with the firm intention -- once I’m sworn in as President -- to have my Attorney General conduct a comprehensive review of all our surveillance programs, and to make further recommendations on any steps needed to preserve civil liberties and to prevent executive branch abuse in the future.

Now, I understand why some of you feel differently about the current bill, and I'm happy to take my lumps on this side and elsewhere. For the truth is that your organizing, your activism and your passion is an important reason why this bill is better than previous versions. No tool has been more important in focusing peoples' attention on the abuses of executive power in this Administration than the active and sustained engagement of American citizens. That holds true -- not just on wiretapping, but on a range of issues where Washington has let the American people down.

I learned long ago, when working as an organizer on the South Side of Chicago, that when citizens join their voices together, they can hold their leaders accountable. I'm not exempt from that. I'm certainly not perfect, and expect to be held accountable too. I cannot promise to agree with you on every issue. But I do promise to listen to your concerns, take them seriously, and seek to earn your ongoing support to change the country. That is why we have built the largest grassroots campaign in the history of presidential politics, and that is the kind of White House that I intend to run as President of the United States -- a White House that takes the Constitution seriously, conducts the peoples' business out in the open, welcomes and listens to dissenting views, and asks you to play your part in shaping our country’s destiny.

Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

So I appreciate the feedback through my.barackobama.com, and I look forward to continuing the conversation in the months and years to come. Together, we have a lot of work to do.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Honey01 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:36:54 -0000

OMG!
I am watching "Race for the White House" on MSNBC which unfortunately is being guest hosted by douche bag Joe Scarborough.

Rachel Maddow is one of the contributors and I knew it was only a matter of time before she would set him off. He hates her (and of course Obama). He kept trying to drive home the point that Obama had flipped flopped on his Iraq policy. Rachel kept laughing at him which INFURIATED him. Right before the commercial he says to her "you might support Obama, but you have Hillary's cackle down".
The networked seemed to take a few extra breaks. I hope the execs were talking to him.

I hope she can get him to storm off the set again.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Karmi — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:32:51 -0000

I ran "jihadists" through Merriam-Webster, just in case. ;-)

Re: Thursday Open Thread

msmartin — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:27:18 -0000

Yes, me!

Re: Thursday Open Thread

msmartin — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:25:38 -0000

Hey Teacher:

I'm afraid to watch, I'm sure it will disappoint. I suppose Soledad his narrating because she is biracial. I didn't like their show on MLK.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

Coby_D — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:16:04 -0000

And to think I'm actually a Jeezy fan. Know how many mixtapes I gotta get rid of now?

BTW, there's jihadists running around JJP armed with spell check. Watch yourself....(or maybe they're just after me)....

Re: Thursday Open Thread

kenyaw — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:04:47 -0000

d,
actually jeezy's comments does not sound h....alf bad in that article. :-) But, umm no inaugural preformance for Jeezy. I doupt the Obama's listen to Jeezy.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

kenyaw — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:01:28 -0000

Jonzee,
you are funny. But, that would be dope.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

IotaNet — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:49:49 -0000

Apropos of nothing whatsoever, is anyone else as tickled as I am to see Venus & Serena making the Wimbledon finals (again)???

Handle ya'll business, ladies!!!!