Jack and Jill Politics - Latest Comments in Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Michelle — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:21:00 -0000

Right, anon at 12:27.

They are not real humans. They do not deserve respect like real humans. The only Muslim women who would ask for such respect must be plants. Others who are not plants would shut up and understand that their physical presence is politically offensive and would accept this complacently.

Any Muslim women who call on Senator Obama to respond like the real human being he is, to respect them as actual human beings, must be plants.

It's all a big GOP plot! Exactly! Made more credible by the anonymous-ness of this courageous troll, I mean commentator here.

Good thing Senator Obama doesn't fall for such foolishness.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:27:00 -0000

Shimaa Abdelfadeel and Hebba Aref were PLANTS.

Pure and simple.

It was a SET-UP!

A set-up designed to keep the Muslim narrative nipping at Obama's heels.

Abdelfadeel and Aref HAD to know just like anyone else following this election that a picture of Obama at ONE OF HIS OWN EVENTS with Muslim women directly in camera view would provide content for countless GOP smear 527 commercials and emails.

I believe the GOP sent them there, hoping the Obama camp would be PC and let them stay, only to use the footage later.

EFF all the other politically correct stuff.

Most Muslims are fine but it is about the ignorance of white uneducated Americans around this country that don't know that.

Those women were DELIBERATELY planted to eff Obama up. Their continued complaints and demands for Obama to seat them at future events only confirms this.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:24:00 -0000

rikyrah,

re: Is this funny to you?

Some things ought to be left alone.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:47:00 -0000

Michelle Obama bitter? Not likely

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:46:00 -0000

Wright, Pfleger appear together, but play it safer

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

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Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:08:00 -0000

It's about as funny as that DailyKos picture from a few weeks back...you know the one.

And, these are supposed to be our allies.

Uh huh.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:02:00 -0000

I don't know if we will decide to do this as a main post, but I'm just gonna say it:

THESE FOLKS HAVE LOST THEIR DAMN MINDS.

Is this funny to you?

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:30:00 -0000

rikyrah,

No problem. when white political pundits attack republican operatives with explicit language about racism, my eyebrows arch mighty high.

Twilight zone.

I don't wanna rehash a recent debate, but if a consequence of Father's Day is a public calling out of racism, white on white, well, then....

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Nicole — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:14:00 -0000

http://yourblackpolitics.bl...

The comments made in the video were ridiculous. I have worked for several companies where LOTS of people get paid to do nothing. I doubt Michelle Obama being Black and being a woman, was allowed to sit up in her big cushy job and do 'nothing.'

I wonder what Cindy McCain's resume looks like? Would there even be room for comparison?

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:07:00 -0000

craig,

thanks for the tip about Alter

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

rikyrah — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:05:00 -0000

About the Charlie Sheen thing,

I have to ask our White readers:

Do you go around calling White people - 'N#*$er'?

I don't quite get it. I mean, is that really an insult to someone who isn't Black?

Or, is this Charlie Sheen's way of saying that Denise Richards has been ' passing' all these years?

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Michelle — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:45:00 -0000

Craig -- on this I wasn't sure what he was going to do and it felt like a lot of static around it to me ... maybe reading people making excuses for him confused/disoriented me somehow. Or, maybe it was unclear for a while if he would do the right thing.

Anyway, glad to see what he did. Weird how big a deal it was to me -- really weird.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:12:00 -0000

michelle,

I trusted Barack to do the right thing on this matter and he did.

I wonder what he said to the volunteer, if anything.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Michelle — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:31:00 -0000

Senator Obama obviously doesn't need anyone to give excuses for him not doing right regarding what happened to the two Muslim women.

Clearly he knew what was right to do in this case and he did it. Clearly he got that what happened was a real disrespect that warranted his direct involvement. Clearly the first response from his staff was not enough.

The initial spokesman apology denied reality in a way that was messed-up. That has been corrected.

His actions responded to what actually occurred, what he claims his campaign is about, and what he was called on to do by people who will be his constituents .. people who were wronged supposedly on his behalf. They accepted his actions and say they can move on.

This is not just savvy politicking to how I feel it. This is a politician acting like a real human being.

I see his direct involvement in this case as a sign of groundedness and strength, and I respect it.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Renee — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:20:00 -0000

I wrote about a quote from usher that was posted in vibe, regarding black women turning to love each other due to a shortage of black men.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:17:00 -0000

"I really didn't love America until I was deprived of her company."

::

That's what McCain said back in 1999 on Fox, no less.

The panel Dan brought to discuss this is no joke. They're going at it.

Jonathan said:

"You're trying to paint her as the angry Black woman. We all know what you're doing and its detestable. Do you even know her? Have you even met her? Do you know anyone who knows her?"

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:10:00 -0000

Jonathan Alter just said that Lars Larson was being racist by smearing Michelle Obama the way he's smearing her.

Hell yeah.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:02:00 -0000

Dan Abrams is killing John McCain on his own comments about loving American only after he was held as a POW.

With video.

Now, let's see how far this goes.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

blksista — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:54:00 -0000

Charlie Sheen is a waste of sperm and egg. And I haven't read yet that Denise Richards is like Heather Locklear--who has black, Native as well as white antecedents. She ain't black.

Must be the new thing for whites to call each other the N word. Of course, the C word is always reprehensible.

It's high time Tony Todd should cut his losses, too.

Charlie Sheen Apologizes for Calling Denise Richards the N-Word

Wednesday June 18, 2008

Charlie Sheen is apologizing for a three-year-old voicemail that ex Denise Richards made public.

The voicemail included a curse-filled rant from Sheen calling Richards – the mother of their two young daughters Sam, 4, and Lola, 3 – a "f--king c--t" and a "f--king n----r."

In response, the Two and a Half Men star said in a statement released Wednesday, "I deeply apologize by my choice of words to all I have obviously offended; especially to Tony Todd, an African-American, who was my best man at my first two weddings."

Sheen added, however, that "three and one-half years later, the reasons that caused the anger and frustration displayed on that voice mail continue to be manifested on a daily basis" because "my children did not show up today for a custodial visit without explanation."

Sheen – who wed Brooke Mueller last month – has been in a bitter public feud with Richards since they split in 2006. She recently revealed that he gave their daughters necklaces before asking for them back.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:54:00 -0000

Everyone want Obama to be about them. Well, that's a helluva lot better than what we've had up to know, which is the president being only for white folks.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

blksista — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:39:00 -0000

It's said he ain't moving a muscle on FISA either, letting Steny Hoyer run the show and give the telecoms immunity--when Hoyer's got $100,000 in telecom stock. Call the Congress critters, especially Obama's camp and let them know:

http://www.dailykos.com/sto...

http://www.boomantribune.co...

Yeah, I was pissed at him genuflecting to AIPAC, too. Which makes his 'roughing up' Lieberpuss kinda fake in comparison.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:14:00 -0000

rhondacoca:

i'm sorry your uncle left the fold, so to speak. having said that I am losing patience with these special interest groups. everybody wants senator obama to be all about them.

white people fear him because "he will make us pay for slavery". so he has to go give them a big hug.

jewish people "don't trust him". he has to go up to friggin' AIPAC(that was quite a performance, I tell ya!)

muslim people feel all excluded and shit.

evangelicals thinks he's muslim so he has to constantly tout his christian creds.

some hispanic congressman in CA wants 20m in exchange for his endorsement because mexican-americans need to be registered and hispanics are becoming another powerful voting bloc and shit.

wah-wah-wah.

isn't it f-ing ironic that the only people who've remained relatively quiet, asking nothing of him are his own black people? and god help us if we dare celebrate in public that a black man is a stone's throw from the white house, they get all huffy-puffy, "...but, but, but he's biracial so..." even after the man identifies as black EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

he goes to some church and delivers what would be called a very, very good speech but everybody criticises him just because he chooses to do it from the pulpit of a church with his own people - a black church...but we have to stay quiet and not upset anybody while everybody else scream, "me, me, me...what about me? love me, pick me..."

every other group just get offended when their demands are not met and i'm totally sick of it...

people, he's running to be the president of ALL America, not just for your interest group. damn!

T.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Craig Hickman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:04:00 -0000

At the rally for Senator Obama in Detroit on Monday, June 16, two volunteers denied us seating behind the stage the Senator would soon take. The volunteers informed us that we were not allowed to sit in that area due to the hijab, the headscarf that each of us was wearing.

This incident was unfortunate and extremely disappointing. Senator Obama has called us each to personally convey his deepest apologies and acknowledge that this was inexcusable. We both immensely appreciate the Senator’s phone call and his commitment to remedy this issue. We commend him for displaying qualities befitting an effective President. We acknowledge that this injustice has been taken seriously and that Senator Obama does not tolerate discrimination against Arabs, Muslims or any community. We are assured that he and his staff are committed to upholding the principles of justice for all peoples and bringing about change we can believe in. The infringement on our rights occurred and has been addressed; now we are ready to move forward. We will continue to support Senator Obama in his campaign and wish him the best as the race continues.

Regards,

Shimaa Abdelfadeel

Hebba Aref

From the NYT.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

RhondaCoca — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:49:00 -0000

My uncle is Arab Muslim. He emailed me this story today. He was waiting for an apology to the women and I am happy that Obama apologized.

It is sad that my uncle no longer supporters Obama though. He was holding on for a while but recently, he said that he could care less.

1. He says that Obama talks about bringing races of people together yet when he is accused of being Muslim, he runs. He acts as if it is the worse thing in the world. He understands that being labeled a Muslim or being a Muslim as a politican in this country ends it for you. However he wishes that Obama had used his many opportunites to say that "I am not Muslim" and then go on to speak out against Islamophobia and the treatment of people who are Arab and look Arab. It is not easy for my uncle especially after 9/11. He like us has to resist labels. He cannot even watch mainstream coverage without feeling offended by the constant baggering of Muslim americans.

His last straw was the AIPAC speech.

2.