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I told you all that the most insightful thing I read on Huffingtonpost in awhile was the opinion piece, right after Pennsylvania, that said that Obama had basically competed as hard as he did in Pennsylvania, because he wanted to force her into bankruptcy. I didn't actually believe it when I read it, but now, looking at it, I believe the author was correct.
She's loaning her campaign another 6 million bucks, and I don't see anymore bragging emails about what she's raised in 24 hours, do you?
I am curious as to why the Obama csmpaign hasn't released their numbers...I think they want the Clintons to release theirs first, so that they can stomp them.
"Under one plan, presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton would get 73 pledged delegates while rival Barack Obama got 55, based on the Jan. 15 primary results. The state's 28 superdelegates would get a full vote at the convention, but the pledged delegates would get only half a vote.
Under the other, the pledged delegates would be split 69-59 between Clinton and Obama, shrinking Clinton's delegate edge from 18 to 10. The 28 superdelegates also would be seated."
Sorry, I just felt the need to say that this morning.
Thank you :)
his name wasn't on the frigging ballott!
Split that in half.
that was a great comment that needed to be said.
now, I'm waiting for Craig Hickman to drop why Hillary Rodham Nixon has offended him today, and my JJP world will be in balance.
Can't go a day without Craig making me smile seeing Hillary Rodham Nixon in the comments section...I kid him, but it does crack me up everytime I see it, because in that one phrase, Craig has NAILED her to the wall. And, I don't believe the truth can be repeated often enough.
The Black Snob Pictorial of Family Obama
Can't say I disagree, though. A 50/50 split seems like it would be equitable.
My personal is that MI/FL's delegates should be seated in some way. It's one of the few things (I think there's only 2) that I agree with Clinton on.
Do you-or anyone-see a possibility for backlash against Obama in MI/FL since he's against seating those delegates?
I think it's all bull, because if the situations were reversed, the only thing we'd be hearing with regards to MI/FL is ' follow the rules'....'follow the rules'....
Nobody believes that they won't be SEATED...the question is...will they be COUNTED....
Hillary's Two-Way Street
Does anyone buy this?
I'm talking about the new media narrative that says Clinton knows she's lost the nomination, but everyone needs to give her space so she can bow out with grace.
Are you kidding me? Apparently Obama's fine with this. But I'm not buying it.
And, despite what some pundits say, she is still running a negative campaign. She's played the race and gender card in the past 48 hours alone.
Plus, she's still stuck on this FL/MI argument.
I'm watching Morning Joe only to see Howard Wolfson trash Obama's health and economic platforms while basically calling him an elitist.
When are people (Obama included) going to wake up. Hillary doesn't need space. . . SHE NEEDS TIME!!!
She needs time to try and dig up some dirt. She needs time to start some drama. She needs time to play the victim. She needs time to smear.
She needs more time to make Obama the WEAKEST nominee he can possibly be.
She needs time. . . but she's doing this all under the guise of "she needs space."
Obama better have an insurance policy. He better work those super delegates extra hard. And he'd better start rolling them out 8-10 at a time.
No one should trust anything that comes our of Hillary or Bill's mouth.
Haven't we seen this movie before? Hillary shows humility only to turn right back around and slap Obama in the face.
It happened with her cry in New Hampshire. . . her "I'm honored to be on stage with you" moment in Texas. . . and now this.
She needs to get out NOW. And Obama needs to find a way to keep the pressure on her. Screw "space."
I also agree - a 50/50 split is the only fair option. There were many people who did not vote because they were told their vote would not count. The DNC said they would MI and FL would be seated at the convention but with some penalties.
I'm not believing it about the money. Not in the least. But,we'll see what lies they tell. Nobody who loans themselves six million is in good shape. How could you believe anything that comes out of their mouths.
I doubt the Obama campaign believes one word of the ' space' mantra. I really don't. But, they can't be seen as shoving her out. Of course, if the situations were reversed, they'd be mocking him at every frigging turn, and we know it. Double standard and all.
The thing is, b-serious,
HER supporters antagonism towards Obama isn't based in reality. Ask them WHY they hate Obama, and they can't point to any reason, other than 'He should have waited his turn. Doesn't he know that this was HER turn? Uppity #)$*@.'
Now, you, me, craig, and every other Obama supporter, and even non-supporters, but Hillpatine haters, can point to a laundry list of things that we can NAME that her, her surrogates, her campaign have done to gain our hatred.
Their list wouldn't fit into a thimble and basically comes down to White Entitlement.
Obama knows this, and while I would love for him to do what Rachel Maddow says - SHOVE HER OFF THE STAGE - he can't do that, lest he becomes the Big Black Brute to her White Woman Victim.
Interesting thing to look out for today....see what fundraising numbers they post (lie). You know 'they say' they raised 10 million after PA. I never believed him...let's see what they say....If the day passes and nothing is announced, the money situation is as bad as I believe it to be.
Oh, my God.
THAT will make the right wing's day.
On CNN David Gergen was asked whether he thought Obama should consider Hillary Clinton for VP. David said with a very straight face, “He would need a food taster if he does.”
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I'm feeling ya!
He was referencing the Pennsylvania and North Carolina primaries and made the following distinction:
Pennsylvania was an election of people thinking about yesterday, North Carolina was sort of a future vote, that that is a vote for the future, you know a tomorrow type vote, a tomorrow type electorate.
And then Tweety got a little emotional and introspective, when he said that the colleges down there in NC had pulled that state into the future. It was very heartfelt from him, I could see that.
This is just a trick to get folks to step back and give HIllary some breathing room to do whatever she wants to do without the folks watching every move. My recommendation to Barack and the supporters would be -- watch your back.
This is where the backroom deals begin. I was especially concerned with Pelosi's statement House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said Wednesday that the Democratic presidential race is not over yet and that it is still possible for Senator Hillary Clinton to win.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/pelosi-the-race-is-not-over/
Now with HIllary's proclamation that Barack is not winning over hardworking white Americans. I believe now is the time when we have to shout the loudest and protest the obvious divisive statement. She is now calling on all racists to vote against Obama and legitimizing it. Obama's campaign should respond to this. Kerry and the other's should respond to this.
below found at corrente.blogspot.com
"Tuesday, May 06, 2008
Hillaryland
Hillaryland is the land of pander and scare, of lies and innuendo, of a poison pen and the telephone call at 3 AM, and hustling, stunts, and sharp elbows - of backlash, bailouts and shifting goalpost grabs - the land of fabulist knife fights, nuclear options, and anything to win.
sounds familiar:
"Nixonland is a land of slander and scare, of lay innuendo, of a poison pen and the anonymous telephone call, and hustling, pushing, and shoving - the land of smash and grab and anything to win." ~ Adlai E. Stevenson, 1952"
"Alright, is anyone else sick of this "give Hillary space," crap?"
If the roles were reversed we would be hearing SBO get the f... out!
Oh those double standards.
I'm liking Chuck Todd more and more. He's been one of the more credible pundits out there.
Obama knows this, and while I would love for him to do what Rachel Maddow says - SHOVE HER OFF THE STAGE - he can't do that, lest he becomes the Big Black Brute to her White Woman Victim.
What would be poetic is if Barack already had a female Veep nominee, and had her shove Billary off the stage.
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YUP!
If Barack wants to go that route, there are plenty of options. I think the best option is Obama/Pelosi, but they'd all be fine. Landreiu and Sebelius have geographic advantages working for them...
Let us all remember that this is the choice of the nominee alone. Barack won the nomination, he gets to chose the VP nominee. Period. I trust his judgment. I doubt Hillary Clinton will be on the ticket. Not impossible, but doubtful.
Nice.
David Bonoir is also John Edward's 2008 campaign manager.
Back away and give Sen. Clinton space . . . because she is about to go insane!
Sen. Clinton is an ugly death spiral that is going turn off blacks, progressive whites, young voters, gays, etc. even while it picks up the "Bubba" vote that she so desperately craves.
I know we all want Obama, or some members of the Democratic Party to "force" Sen. Clinton out but I happen to like Obama's current strategy better . . .
Bring the superdelegates over, close the deal in Oregon and then dare the DNC to do something stupid and try to take the nomination away.
Right now Sen. Clinton is a crazy hobo posted up by the liquor store. Getting near her is dangerous because she is liable to lash out and do and say anything. Better to let the combined force of money, momentum and votes do the work for you
Angela
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I am really feeling the "let her run" vibe now that so much of the media and others are telling Barack that he will "have to pay off her debts" to include her personal loan to her campaign. I just spent over 1 hour posting to blogs regarding Hillary's need to get in line with that reparations argument. I do not want one penny of my hard earned money going to that flagrant liar. Especially when she is as we speak "stoking the racial fire" with her "hard working white working class" innuendos.
Let her continue to run. Let them pay for whatever they want to pay for -- Go Barack - prepare to fight McCain.
If Obama chooses Clinton as his V.P., he would be committing suicide.....LITERALLY. The Clintons will do him like Bush, Sr. tried to do Reagan in '81.
BTW, Terry McCauliffe said HRC raised seven figures in the past day. Riiiiiight.
She doesn't need to pushed out, she's pushing herself out. Besides, it is going to be the Clinton people that get her to leave, not anyone on the Obama side of the ledger
credit repair
Just saw on MSNBC Obama walking with a group of Superdelegates in Washington. Had a nice smile on his face.
Nice.
d, regardless of who's on the ticket, I think you know that we're past the point of this war being won (or lost).
I really think that just like the media pile on and "tears" episode before New Hampshire...we are playing into the narrative of Hillary "the victim".
I believe she should be giving enough rope to strangle her own campaign.
The math is with Obama even with MI and Florida delegates counted. It's a wrap. The only way she can get this nomination is if she gets the SD to overrule.
That's the truth, everything else is moot, especially since we have a HUGE battle coming up in the General and that, to me, is the most important focus right now.
I just don't see how two defeatists pairing up can be beneficial to the country.
Bet Hamas would love it, though.
Hezbollah and Sunni's clash in Lebanon
I said this on the open thread yesterday. I am sick of everyone being so nice to that bitch - put her down now.
It's over and she needs to get out of the way.
Instead she's organizaing Klan meetings and trying to convince the superdelegates that she can and will when if they would just forget the math and the fact that they can't win an election without the black vote.
Craig
I know exactly how you feel. I can't even find words anymore to describe how sick I am of HRC and her friends at the DNC and the CBC and if I see Charlie Rangels grinning ass one more time, I'm going to bust my tv.
"but Hillpatine haters, can point to a laundry list of things that we can NAME that her, her surrogates, her campaign have done to gain our hatred. "
Were is this logic in the discussions regarding why supporters won't support the other candidate. We all know why, but they won't come right out and say that we won't support Hillary because of the race game played against us and they won't support Obama because of either race or gender.
Click on the title of the post.
I'm in the middle of finals and this election has been a distraction to my semester.
I caught TMO=Too much Obama.
However I am wondering what Michelle will be getting for mother's day on Sunday.
I also wanted to comment on the marvelous pic. Melina and Sasha look like my sister and I (of course when we were young). They are exactly the same age difference as me and my sis.
You can right click on the link and choose "open in new window"
Watching my tivo of the Dan Abrams show (I know, shoot me) and Russert has brought out that damn board of his with his eraseable markers.....writing down the numbers about the delegates...cracking me up.
Russert, in his most serious voice:
Obama? He needs 37% of the remaining delegates, Brian. Clinton, she needs 69%.
That's why, Absent a complete collapse in the Obama campaign
or
An act of God...
THIS RACE IS OVER.
I guess that was Tim Russert on the Nightly News yesterday.
It was funny.
His little board was classic
David Paul Kuhn
Thu May 8, 5:55 AM ET
The Superdelegates are the problem. They could've stopped this thing in February, or yesterday but they haven't why...
They Don't Want the Black Guy at the Top of the Ticket
That would be a stupid move, and would all but guarantee that HRC's remaining dogs would come out.
If Obama wants to be the front runner, the best thing is to just say nothing. Acting like a stubborn kid throwing an "I won!!" fit isn't helpful.
Everybody knows it and the superdelegates need to end it BASED ON THAT FACT ALONE.
Unless of course their racists too.
For you military types, the entire release is here.
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d,
He did win! You need to accept it & so does Hillbillary!
Does Obama have the 2,025 delegates required to become the nominee?
We will vote for a party that allows obvious racism from a Democratic candidate?
I'm confused - do you support McCain or Clinton or are you just here to get on everybody's fucking nerves?
Hi D - whassup?
That's a little harsh.
I'm a McCain supporter; thought that was pretty obvious from most of my comments here.
I'll concede the fact that Obama is-most likely-the democratic nominee. Honestly-and I've said this before-McCain vs. Obama will be a hell of a lot more competitive that McCain vs. Clinton.
But, let's be real here: Obama is winning the race for the democratic nomination, but he hasn't won it. So HRC is well within her right to stay in the race. Hell, Ron Paul's still officially running, and McCain would have to die (along with Huckabee, Romney and others) for him to get the nomination.
Y'all are winning, yes. HRC can't catch you, yes. But you haven't won yet.
You know what's up!
He is leading in about everything. Sure, it's going to take the Super Delegates to take him over the top--so why not right now! Hillary lost the race back in February! She's just stunned that she's done!
WASHINGTON - Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, has suggested he would oppose a bipartisan measure by Virginia Sen. Jim Webb to expand college tuition benefits for military veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan.
McCain told reporters Monday he was working on alternative legislation aimed at ensuring that troops do not leave the military earlier than planned to go to college.
McCain's new move comes as a blow to Webb, a freshman Democrat and former Navy secretary who had been quietly building bipartisan support for months.
Webb's GI Bill, a centerpiece of his 2006 campaign, would pay the college tuition of many military veterans who have served since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The amount of tuition paid would not exceed the cost of the most expensive state school in a veteran's home state, in most cases.
The current Montgomery GI Bill pays only a small fraction of the cost of college today.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/nationworld/dp-now-webbmccain.0415,0,5616790.story
I just wanted to add--f%%% her!
I don't disagree. Don't interpret my defending HRC's right to stay in the race as support for her. :)
Val,
McCain has signed on to a different bill to modernize the GI Bill.
From the Charlotte Observer on May 5th:
3 Carolinas senators pitch GI bill update GOP trio breaks from earlier bipartisan plan co-sponsored by 57 Momentum is gathering for an update to the Montgomery GI bill.
But three Carolinas senators are going against the tide with legislation they offered last week as an alternative to one that has 57 bipartisan co-sponsors.
Sens. Richard Burr, R-N.C., and Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., are joined by Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee for president.
Their bill has a unique feature that would allow service members to transfer some of the educational credit they earn to other members of their family, a portion that would increase the longer they stayed in the military.
Burr said he's opposed to the bill sponsored by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., because it bases the amount of the benefit on the most expensive public school in the state where a military member chooses to enroll.
He said the benefit would be about $5,200 to go to school in North Carolina, based on tuition at UNC Chapel Hill, but it would be more than $10,000 to go to school in Michigan, a figure determined by an art and design program.
"Two GIs, same commitment, getting two incredibly different packages," Burr said. "I believe one of our responsibilities is to treat everyone equitably, the GIs themselves, but also the state."
My personal is that both bills are good. McCain's chosen the one he wants to support, and I don't fault him for that.
I am attempting to understand what would draw you to McCain. Don't get me wrong I think McCain is sweet and he is a great American hero but when it comes to the real issues of this country i.e. economy, housing crises, the price of gas and food. . . I don't think he can address those issues successfully. So educate me. How do you feel about McCain's economic plan and his ability to get us out of the situation we are in (i.e. trillion dollars in debt, billions of dollars spent in the war in Iraq etc.) and what do you know about his plans to address the housing crises in this country, addressing the foreclosure issue and what do you think about him pushing the gas tax holiday over the last few weeks?
How sweet is a man singing bomb bomb Iran?
Gonna give this a rush job, cause I'm sitting at work:
1. McCain-by his own admission-does not have that great of a grasp on economic issues. That's not the top thing on my list of important issues, so it's not a deal breaker for me (though it is a concern, 'less Romney's VP).
2. I don't think the gas tax holiday's smart....you're essentially robbing Peter (the nation's higways) to save Paul (the consumer) a few bucks.
3. McCain wanted to make sure that the ranks of the military weren't further depleted by an enticement to go to college. When the GI Bill was signed after WWII, there was an outfulx of people leaving the service to go to school. Fair enough; there wasn't a major conflict for a few years. Something like that can't/shouldn't happen under present circumstances.
My major issue (and this is where the eye rolling from certain posters here will begin) is electing the candidate who will keep the country safe from terrorism and jihadist thought. If you listen to most of Obama's speeches, you don't hear the words "terrorism," "extremism" or references to jihadist thought that often (if at all). To me, that speaks to a certain unawareness of an important issue.
To me, McCain's the best qualified of the three.
And, Ms. Martin, I'm all for bombing Iran back to the stone age if necessary. That's to get on your nerves. :)
Hillary: "I'm staying in this race"
Translation:
"Everybody back up, I've got a gun!"
"Hillary will drop out by June 15"
Translation:
"Don't scream and I won't kill you"
Hillary: "He can't win"
Translation:
"But, he's black!!"
Hillary: "..Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again.."
Translation:
"Hey everybody...he's black! He's black, blaaaaaack!!!!!
I say let's pressure him--because we don't have to watch his movies. I've already sent him a letter. I suggest fellow JJP posters do the same. Here is his address:
Mr. Harvey Weinstein
The Weinstein Company
345 Hudson St. 13th Floor
New York, NY 10014
I told him that I thought he should exercise restraint in this political process because he is so powerful, and that if he threatens to "take his ball and go home" 1.5 million other people will replace his ball.
Your comments perfectly illustrate the great divide between Obama supporters and voters who see the wars in Iraq and Afghanastan, as 'the war' against terrorism, jihadism and islamic extremeism.
For those who believe the primary responsibilities of the president of the United States are: Keeping America safe,Being an effective Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces, and Leading this nation's foreign policy, Obama is a less than ideal candidate.
Contrary to popular belief, there really is very little the President can do to 'fix' the economy.
Keeping taxes low, is probably the biggest impact a president can have on the economy, but Obama has promised to raise taxes on individuals and corporations alike.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_campaign_says_no_to_ne.php
Well, there you have it folks
Regarding making our country safe -- look at the crime rate where you currently live. Then look at it across the US. We are killing ourselves, young people (especially black people) are being locked up on the regular. How safe are we? We have more to fear from our fellow citizens than we do from folks overseas. Recognize that our hands are not clean. Some would argue that the USA are considered terrorists. Depends on your perceptions.
D -- I am happy you found this blog. I would love the opportunity to continue discussions with you because we could benefit from conversations with each other.
Also, wanting to ensure the military is not depleted is not a reason to subject our military to indentured servitude. That is like saying we want to make sure there are folks to pick the cotton and build the country so we will promise them if they work for XYX they will get 3 acres and a mule. It is wrong. The decision to serve in the military is an honorable one so we in turn should not try to "trick" them into getting what they have already earned. Right now we have disabled vets that have not received their benefits. Some of them are told they have to reimburse the military wages because they were released because they lost limbs, they did not serve the agreed upon term. So they owe them.
D -- think about it.
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Oh yeah, and lets not forget that the dems have not allowed us to develop or drill for any new sources of oil, no new refineries, no nuclear energy, yet they are the ones to pander to voters and demonize the 'big oil companies.'
Obama wants to create green collar jobs, but ethanol production is raising food prices around the world.
That is the larger picture. No need to worry about terrorism, jihadism and islamic extremeism because folks will be dropping like flies this summer when they can't afford to pay for air conditioning and they pass out from the heat. God knows many won't be able to afford the ambulance trip to the hospital, and some will be turned back because they can't afford healthcare.
Late 20's.
I didn't say it wasn't a concern, I said it wasn't MY biggest one. I hold to the thought that we can have a great economy and fix the education/health care problems ourselves as a free people....or we can fix them after we've been placed under sharia law. I prefer doing it ourselves.
Yes, people die in the hands of their fellow citizens daily. But no one group in the US-at least to my knowledge-has the destruction of our country as their sworn goal. Of course our hands aren't clean; no country's is. But if we don't stand up and defend ourselves, who's gonna do it? We've tried isolationism and "waging peace"-and got Khobar Towers, the Cole bombing, and 9/11 in return.
If you've got evidence of people who've had to reimburse the military for lost time due to combat injuries, I'd love to see it. As a veteran, that would be a huge problem for me.
We're in agreement on the gas tax holiday. The benefit there doesn't outweigh the real and potential downsides. But see s' reponse above: there's a long term solution to the oil crisis in ANWR, but the dems won't let us touch it.....
Give me a break. The federal government takes in TRILLIONS and they cannot do without our money for 3 months?
The Democrat party has been the single largest barrier to energy independence in this country. No ANWR or off-shore drilling, no new refineries, no nuclear energy.
When people are 'dropping like flies' don't blame bush and Big Oil, thank your elected Democrats.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_campaign_says_no_to_ne.php
1. www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd349.htm<br...) 2007 neglect scandal
Main article: Walter Reed Army Medical Center neglect scandal
In February of 2007, The Washington Post published a series of investigative articles outlining cases of alleged neglect (physical deterioration, bureaucratic nightmares, etc) at WRAMC as reported by outpatient soldiers and their family members. A scandal and media furor quickly developed resulting in the firing of the WRAMC commanding general Maj. Gen. George W. Weightman [3], the resignation of Secretary of the Army Francis J. Harvey (reportedly at the request of Secretary of Defense Robert Gates [4]), the forced resignation of Lt. Gen. Kevin C. Kiley, commander from 2002 to 2004[5], congressional committee hearings, and commentary from numerous politicians including President George W. Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. Several independent governmental investigations are ongoing and the controversy has spread to other military health facilities and the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal
3) Google the suicide rate among veterans
4) Specific to McCain
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/07/mccain-against-va-funding/
There is more. You can research if you need to.
Regarding the democrats and the oil crises
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/
Happy reading.
I know about the suicide rate, and the problems at Walter Reed. I've had issues there before from my prior service, so I've known they were screwed up for a while...just didn't know how bad.
Everything else, I'll give a serious read to. At least you're not spewing the standard talking points.
It would be interesting to see how what else was on those bills that McCain voted against. I'm almost certain there's more to the story.
And I blog/rant over here if you're interested.
I disagree.
S. You said the government takes in trillions of dollars (welcome McCain supporter) but that money is being spent fighting a war we we got into on a lie. The war costs an up to $9B PER MONTH. This is money that is desperately needed in our own country. More important is all the lives lost on this war that was based on a lie. And the American people has been doing without money for the last 5 years. Look at the economy. So no, we cannot afford being with out a trillion dollars for three months when that boils down to unemployed citizens with families, folks losing houses, unable to afford healthcare, feed their families and racking up debt because they don't have the money to make ends meet.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aairaqwarcost.htm
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html
Economy - overview: The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita GDP of $46,000. In this market-oriented economy, private individuals and business firms make most of the decisions, and the federal and state governments buy needed goods and services predominantly in the private marketplace. US business firms enjoy greater flexibility than their counterparts in Western Europe and Japan in decisions to expand capital plant, to lay off surplus workers, and to develop new products. At the same time, they face higher barriers to enter their rivals' home markets than foreign firms face entering US markets. US firms are at or near the forefront in technological advances, especially in computers and in medical, aerospace, and military equipment; their advantage has narrowed since the end of World War II. The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households. The response to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 showed the remarkable resilience of the economy. The war in March-April 2003 between a US-led coalition and Iraq, and the subsequent occupation of Iraq, required major shifts in national resources to the military. The rise in GDP in 2004-07 was undergirded by substantial gains in labor productivity. Hurricane Katrina caused extensive damage in the Gulf Coast region in August 2005, but had a small impact on overall GDP growth for the year. Soaring oil prices in 2005-2007 threatened inflation and unemployment, yet the economy continued to grow through year-end 2007. Imported oil accounts for about two-thirds of US consumption. Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade and budget deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups. The merchandise trade deficit reached a record $847 billion in 2007. Together, these problems caused a marked reduction in the value and status of the dollar worldwide in 2007.
Regarding terrorism. . . it is not about Obama or us not being aware of terrorist activity but we can't live our lives based on the FEAR of terrorist activity. Common sense tells you take care of home. But need to get past the idea that we can walk into somebody's back yard any kind of way without the expectation that they will step back at you.
Of course we should fight against terrorism. Of course we should defend our country. But a good foreign policy includes diplomacy, stepping up economic pressures,forcing political isolation,using the tools available to the commander in chief PRIOR to calling for all out war.
More on Obama's foreign policy:http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
Anyway. Gotta run. Later.
I think it was Nancy Pelosi. (today)
trying to find source
Senator Obama said the race should play out. People are strategically following his lead while very old hags are screaming revenge if Hill is forced out of the race, not to mention big dollar donors. It takes more than just Obama to get things done and his donors cannot pay to elect everyone.
Let her spin out as long as he doesn't pay her debts. If he ignores her, the media will follow him anyway as the presumptive. She has gotten so little coverage today for that very reason. He is in DC and she is in WV. If he waits until she leaves WV, to go there the media will be in tow and in focus on him not her. Let her spin her ass out until she's comatose for all I care.
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/08/clinton-supporter-pressures-pelosi-over-white-house-battle/
He has a lot of damn nerve. He needs to sit his ass down, shut up and go back to producing craptastic films with his brother.
The irony of this is that, Clinton, paints Obama as the Elitist. It doesn't get more Elitist than what Mr. Weinstein is doing. That's just ridiculous.
On to the White House, Senator Obama...these fools are cracker jacks! *lol*
Nancy Pelosi did say it, but I heard Donna Brazile say it on CNN today.
Michelle Bernard is sticking with her story that Hillary is trying to damage Obama so that she can run in 2012
Before the break, they played the taped interview of Hillary statements to USA Today and it sounds worse than the print article.
I was listening to Randi Rhodes and she played the audio and yes, it is worse than print.
Man!
Why would D. Brazile say it needs to go on? This needs to end asap.
I was reading somewhere and someone said that Hillary is going to break out the confederate flag pantsuit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24529016#24528732
Hillary Rodham Nixon is a sociopath who craves attention and power, she lives in an alternate universe, and I will ignore her.
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rikyrah, I posted the Sally Quinn article.
Hillary's Downfall
good find Craig.
That was hilarious!!!
My favorite line:
"The voters stole the nomination from me!"
That was the funniest one I've seen so far. I could just imagine her saying the words.
Go Obama!
But keep Cynthia McKinney is mind as back up!!
The Borg Queen can go to hell.
that was crazy!
"...the second coming of Jimi Hendrix! Crazy man!
Thanks!
that was hilarious. on point, but hilarious.